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I think the 2018 models were almost a step back. I think they thought they could get the software to compensate for less zones and it didn’t work out.

I’m also beginning to look at brightness as a contrast number for marketing terms. None of my TVs have the backlit at full even for day watching. Everyone has different preferences and scenarios.

For an 18 model I think TCL 6 series still wins and with sales to move old stock you may jump up in brands to get something even better.


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Could you elaborate on that? Do you feel the 600 nits for the 2019 M-Series won't be a major downgrade from the 2018 P-Series' 1000 nits? I'm unsure about which one I should pick, is more local dimming zones/Quantum Color(M 2019) better than supposed higher brightness levels (P 2018) for HDR viewing? I plan on watching the TV mostly during the evenings and at night.
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Could you elaborate on that? Do you feel the 600 nits for the 2019 M-Series won't be a major downgrade from the 2018 P-Series' 1000 nits? I'm unsure about which one I should pick, is more local dimming zones/Quantum Color(M 2019) better than supposed higher brightness levels (P 2018) for HDR viewing? I plan on watching the TV mostly during the evenings and at night.


I am just stating an opinion based on the fact that my backlight is at 78 for my day calibration. With that setting it’s fine. Given that right now nits is the new hot topic for HDR and DV I just feel that it’s not as relevant in the majority of scenarios. I think we’ll start to see that more in reviews especially since marketing loves to create buzz words to sell new TVs. Contrast, refresh rates, and so forth have all been through the marketing cycle and nits is just the new one.


Obviously nits matter and as with all things we’ve got to just be conscious of the real world meaning. TVs with beautiful black levels didn’t need 1000 nits to achieve it. That just causes eye strain and fatigue.



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I am just stating an opinion based on the fact that my brightness is at 78 for my day calibration. With that setting it’s fine. Given that right now nits is the new hot topic for HDR and DV I just feel that it’s not as relevant in the majority of scenarios. I think we’ll start to see that more in reviews especially since marketing loves to create buzz words to sell new TVs. Contrast, refresh rates, and so forth have all been through the marketing cycle and nits is just the new one.


Obviously nits matter and as with all things we’ve got to just be conscious of the real world meaning. TVs with beautiful black levels didn’t need 1000 nits to achieve it. That just causes eye strain and fatigue.


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Thanks for clearing that up. That makes me lean towards the M-series 55 inch G1.
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CNET Review is up; M658-G1 reviewed:

https://www.cnet.com/reviews/vizio-m658-g1-review/

Think this will answer a lot of our questions for those waiting to see this vs. 2018 models that might be discounted now... Picture quality is at Q70R/X950G levels according to summary, but it's a tradeoff of superior color and FALD performance (Vizio) for ultimate brightness, which is less than last year's M-series (and therefore 2018 P-series too).


DCI/P3 coverage has gone from 82%(2018) to 98% (2019), but peak HDR brightness has dropped from 790 nits (2018) to 531 nits (2019) in accurate modes.


Vizio is still getting ripped for SmartCast, compared to pretty much everyone else's smart features, but especially Roku.
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decent prices on the m558 right now... im still crossed between that and the p55. and ive been shopping other units liek the nu8000 is super cheap at some places but edge lit and equal to q6fn pretty much. also was curious botu lg sk9000 but reading lots of bloom and grey complaints.... really to me it looks liek son yand vizio are the best two options for tvs right now... the samsungs are good but they are the very expensive models... q8 and up...


the vizio p series is so bright my quantum 65 is unbelievably bright a darker picture to me seems liek it wouldnt be a bad thing really... so im wondering if ishoyuld try the m558 for my bedroom can always return it if i dont like it. my room is made for day sleeping causei work nights so.... i dunno im gonan read this cnet review.

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I just loaded a 65” M series (90 zones) in the back of my wife’s SUV. I’ll provide impressions eventually.
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Well it’s looking good. The uniformity is pretty darn good. There are some very very minor vertical lines at full white due to the fald zones but I had to look for it. There isn’t any splotches on gray patterns or anything either. There may be some minor clouding going on during a completely black screen but Im also watching in a pitch black room and am sitting fairly close to my 65”, so may be a ‘just slightly off center’ thing Im seeing. Not noticeable the moment anything comes on screen though.

Very happy with my purchase. Colors are good, brightness is definitely adequate for dark room viewing too.
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Just purchased a M558-G1 this evening at Best Buy. 1st 4K tv and am super excited about it.

As an absolute novice in this realm, is this a good place to look for calibration settings as more folks buy their set?

Thanks!
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Just purchased a M558-G1 this evening at Best Buy. 1st 4K tv and am super excited about it.

As an absolute novice in this realm, is this a good place to look for calibration settings as more folks buy their set?

Thanks! [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
Yeah, I’m sure someone will post some actual calibration stuff eventually. I’d give it time though, considering these sets are just trickling out now.

So I popped in various discs last night and fired up a couple of games and honestly, I can’t really say there’s much negative to say about the 65”. The 90 zones do seem to help mitigate any major blooming problems, and again, uniformity is quite good. As mentioned before, there is definitely some minor clouding with the screen is pitch black but anything else on the screen seems to make it disappear. I wouldn’t notice this if I had even a little ambient light in the man cave though so I find it completely acceptable. I have seen much, much worse.

It’s funny. I went through to Sony Z9F’s and two Sony 900F’s and they all had some issue I couldn’t live with. Light bleed, gray spots, spots that were too bright, etc. I decided to go for Vizio again since my 2016 M was quite nice, and was tempted because the 65” for $899 seemed like a steal, especially with the improvements. I can’t believe how much better this TV is in the quality control department compared to those higher priced Sony sets. I think I’ll stick with them for now on.

I do have an LG C8 OLED as well but Im probably just going to hang it in the living room now. Im just and LCD kind of guy, what can I say?
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Just purchased a M558-G1 this evening at Best Buy. 1st 4K tv and am super excited about it.



As an absolute novice in this realm, is this a good place to look for calibration settings as more folks buy their set?



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I would just stick to movie and game mode honestly. They were not that far off from the calibration. Every tv will be different so using someone’s specific numbers has a higher chance of making yours look worse than better. That’s why I’d dint post mine even though I’ve got them written down.


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If you want to see this TV reviewed by RTings, go vote for it to be their next purchase:

https://www.rtings.com/tv/suggestions

Right now it's second place by just a few votes to some IPS panel LG. Which we all know is going to get trounced by every mid-grade and better VA panel TV anyway.
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Just purchased a M558-G1 this evening at Best Buy. 1st 4K tv and am super excited about it.



As an absolute novice in this realm, is this a good place to look for calibration settings as more folks buy their set?



Thanks! [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]


I would just stick to movie and game mode honestly. They were not that far off from the calibration. Every tv will be different so using someone’s specific numbers has a higher chance of making yours look worse than better. That’s why I’d dint post mine even though I’ve got them written down.


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Yeah, that’s a really good point. And honestly, Vizio really do try to get their televisions to be fairly accurate and have even been known to improve that with firmware over the course of time. They really are great for ‘set it and forget it’. Only thing you really should have to adjust is brightness, reduce sharpness and turn off some digital noise reduction-like stuff.
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Greetings all! I'm having 2 issues with my recently acquired Vizio 55" M557-g0


1. Connected to this TV, I have a 3ish year old 29" Vizio soundbar. This soundbar is connected via an optical/TOSLINK cable. The soundbar does not have HDMI so using the TV's HDMI1 (ARC) connection is not an option. In the TV's audio settings under Digital Audio, I have it set to "PCM" to get audio pushed to the soundbar. Going into different apps on the TV such as Netflix and Hulu will change the TV's audio setting from "PCM" to "Auto" and will stop sending sound to the soundbar. The soundbar recognizes this and goes into a "searching" mode. When I go in to the settings and change the audio back to "PCM" all is well, until the TV gets power cycled then it's the same thing all over again. Also, if my wife is watching America's Got Talent on Hulu, the audio will play through the soundbar until ads play. After the ads end and the show begins again, the TV will switch back to "Auto". Is there any way to hard save my audio settings?



2. While watching Netflix or casting Youtube from my phone, the TV will randomly glitch out and give me a blue screen that says "Oops. Our attention lapsed for a second. Please re-try what you were doing.". Then it kicks me back to the main app screen. This isn't a connection issue. The TV is hardwired into the router. Is this just a software problem? Should I go exchange this TV for a new one of the same model?
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I have a G1 but I doubt the software is different. I will check the audio setting but I’m almost positive I just left it on auto and it works fine with my soundbar which is an lg sh3k.


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I have a G1 but I doubt the software is different. I will check the audio setting but I’m almost positive I just left it on auto and it works fine with my soundbar which is an lg sh3k.


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Strange. My soundbar just won't push out audio unless the setting is set to PCM. I have considered getting a new soundbar but my current one works just fine when the TV pushes audio out to it.
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Strange. My soundbar just won't push out audio unless the setting is set to PCM. I have considered getting a new soundbar but my current one works just fine when the TV pushes audio out to it.


Mine works fine. Here is how it’s setup.




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I made a post on reddit in r/hometheater and I think my issue is having the TV speakers turned on. I will turn them off and see if that corrects the problem.
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I have a G1 but I doubt the software is different. I will check the audio setting but I’m almost positive I just left it on auto and it works fine with my soundbar which is an lg sh3k.


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Strange. My soundbar just won't push out audio unless the setting is set to PCM. I have considered getting a new soundbar but my current one works just fine when the TV pushes audio out to it.
Eh, I had issues with sound related stuff. I have a uhd player typically connected to a TV for video, and another hdmi to my receiver for audio (the receiver doesnt do dolby vision but it does hdr10 fine). For some reason the sound doesnt like to work this way very much on the Vizio. Just doing HDR10 through my receiver and then to my tv, everything works fine. Guess that’s a kink they’ll have to figure out. Never had this before with another tv.
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I made a post on reddit in r/hometheater and I think my issue is having the TV speakers turned on. I will turn them off and see if that corrects the problem.
This is just a guess, but I think your issue stems from having the optical/toslink audio connection. The TVs internal apps likely default to a DD+ bitstream, which requires HDMI, unlike plain old DD. In any case, the result is that the TV is not sending any audio signal down the optical cable when it's getting a DD+ bitstream. I'm not sure if you can force a 'plain' DD bitstream that would be compatible with toslink.

That doesn't explain why it's not respecting/preserving your manual setting of PCM (stereo), which should work either way. That maybe is a TV software/firmware issue.



This is a concern of mine as well, as I have a ~3 year old soundbar too. It has HDMI and ARC, but will not decode DD+. I'm afraid if I get one of these, I won't be able to get any surround sound from internal apps through ARC because of that. DD+ is supposed to contain a core DD stream that older AVRs can process, but I've anecdotally read of many issues where it doesn't work.
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Looks like the M Series Quantum surged late and won the rtings.com poll for their next purchase. That's great! I just ordered a P65-F1 earlier this week for $999 because it seemed like stock was running out around me quickly. Wondering if I should keep it in box until the M Series gets reviewed or not. I ordered it from Target so i have 30 days to return it opened and 90 days unopened. But I am currently TV-less after moving so that might be tough. I mostly just play video games and watch TV/Netflix.
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Is there any indication that Vizio has improved the upscaling of 480p and/or 720p on their 2019 lineup? I would think it would be a priority for them, since it's one thing they've consistently been dinged for in reviews for several years.
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Is there any indication that Vizio has improved the upscaling of 480p and/or 720p on their 2019 lineup? I would think it would be a priority for them, since it's one thing they've consistently been dinged for in reviews for several years.


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I’m going nuts over here.

Player is a Panasonic UB820. Receiver is a Sony DN1070. This receiver does not recognize Dolby Vision HDR so I prefer to connect the player to my TV directly, and then run another HDMI to the receiver for sound. This has worked all along, but then I replace the old TV with this, and I don’t get sound and video at the same time.

The HDMI out from my receiver to the TV is meant to display video from all my game consoles. I use HDMI 2 for gaming. HDMI 1 for the UHD player.

CEC functionality is disabled on everything.

Everything works fine if I just use one HDMI cable to the receiver, and then another from the receiver to the TV. However, that means I can only use the general HDR10 data from my UHD discs.

For some reason the audio will only come through the receiver if the TV is set to the input that has the hdmi from the receiver plugged into it (HDMI 2). So Im getting sound at that point and no video. If I switch to Video 1, which is the cable direct from the player, I get video, but no sound. The only way to get both things working together from the player is if I change the HDMI Out setting on my Sony to ‘B’... which is weird because I didn’t need to do that before. And this means Id have to change that setting back every time I want to play games, because HDMI Out 2 doesn’t work for that.

I feel like the Vizio is screwing something up in the chain since there was no issue with my other TV that was previously connected, which was an LG C8.

Any knowledge on issues via firmware that could be causing this anomaly? I can’t for the life of me figure this out.
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Has nobody else been buying these yet?
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So I'm trying to decide between a 65" M Series and the TCL 6 series. I've been waiting until the local Best Buy actually had the M series on display (a few days ago they finally did it). I'm a bit of a dinosaur. Living out in the woods my internet is through my cell phone so I don't stream. My current TV is an old Sony rear projection HDTV from 2003. It's finally starting to have color issues so it's time to update. I do occasionally use chrome cast but that's it. I doubt I'll ever use any of the other "smart" features.

The 6 series at one of the local Best Buys looked terrible. The TCL feed loop was jerky to the point where it would stop for almost a full second. It was so bad that it was painful to watch. I doubt it was the TV's fault, probably the store. The M series had darker blacks and the colors looked more vibrant while the 6 series looked noticeably brighter. As of now I would say that I'm leaning towards the M series. I'm thinking of going to a different BB to see if their display is any better.

How many of you compared these two TVs? I've read the reviews that Vizio's remote isn't all that great (fine with me as I've probably picked up the Sony remote 10 times in the last 15 years) and the software for the apps is slow. Is this going to be even an issue if I never use the smart TV functions or will I have to navigate through it each time I turn the set on? I don't mind a delay for the software to load (I'm waiting for a bulb to turn on and get bright right now).
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I’ve heard good things about the TCL 6 series. You have to be careful though looking up comments online with comparisons because every television out there is going to have the ‘panel lottery’ to take into consideration. Some people get bad ‘jail bars’ or DSE on Vizios, some get it in TCL. Many others have sets that are perfectly fine from both manufacturers as well.

All I can say is we have three Vizios in our house. There’s a really really old 30” inch one that has always looked fine and still works to this day. There’s a 55” 2016 M series model that I had used as my primary television in the home theater, but now it’s hanging in my bedroom on the wall and the wife and I love having it there. That television, too, has been great.

This new M Series Quantum also looks great to me. I’ve had very good luck with Vizio, moreso than even Sony and LG. But that was my experience and mine alone.

To answer your question, the TV will turn on to your previously used input, so you really don’t have to worry about navigating anything in regards to online apps. The actual tv menu where you change picture settings is snappy as it should be.
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Has nobody else been buying these yet?
I to figured there would be alot more talk regarding this television, how bout some owners chiming in regarding movies, gaming, and sports, preferably people that have the 400 nit version bein i am looking at the 50 inch version that only comes in the 400 nit version ...........

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Toms guide gives the M series Quantum the best value TV for 2019 so far. Have fun reading this. Walmart shipped me TWO bad TCL 6 series. So I am going with the M8 instead. I Should have it around the 5th or 6th of July and post my thoughts once I have some time to play with it:

Bottom Line
Vizio has made major strides in the last couple of years, and this year's quantum-dot push has kept up that momentum by offering an excellent display at a great value. For a set that is arguably the middle child in Vizio's lineup, the M-Series Quantum delivers great brightness and HDR performance, solid color and picture quality, and better-than-average sound. With an evolving smart-TV platform and plenty of ports and features, the Vizio M-Series Quantum 65-inch (M658-G1) gives you a lot to love for its under-$1,000 price.

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/vizio-m...view-6560.html

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So I'm trying to decide between a 65" M Series and the TCL 6 series. I've been waiting until the local Best Buy actually had the M series on display (a few days ago they finally did it). I'm a bit of a dinosaur. Living out in the woods my internet is through my cell phone so I don't stream. My current TV is an old Sony rear projection HDTV from 2003. It's finally starting to have color issues so it's time to update. I do occasionally use chrome cast but that's it. I doubt I'll ever use any of the other "smart" features.

The 6 series at one of the local Best Buys looked terrible. The TCL feed loop was jerky to the point where it would stop for almost a full second. It was so bad that it was painful to watch. I doubt it was the TV's fault, probably the store. The M series had darker blacks and the colors looked more vibrant while the 6 series looked noticeably brighter. As of now I would say that I'm leaning towards the M series. I'm thinking of going to a different BB to see if their display is any better.

How many of you compared these two TVs? I've read the reviews that Vizio's remote isn't all that great (fine with me as I've probably picked up the Sony remote 10 times in the last 15 years) and the software for the apps is slow. Is this going to be even an issue if I never use the smart TV functions or will I have to navigate through it each time I turn the set on? I don't mind a delay for the software to load (I'm waiting for a bulb to turn on and get bright right now).

Quote from the same article I posted above. Take it with whatever kind of value you want.

"The M-Series Quantum is good enough that it unseats our previous favorite in this price range, the TCL 6-Series Roku TV. While the TCL's Roku platform and overall performance are both excellent, the Vizio M-Series Quantum 65-inch (M658-G1) edges it out with the vibrant quantum-dot display and ever-improving smart-TV functionality."
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I just spent about an hour in Best Buy playing with a Vizio M8 and a TCL 6 series. It was a horrible viewing area. Bright lights everywhere, TV's were 3 feet over my head. But I did come away with some observations. The Vizio just pops compared to the TCL. Colors are brighter and more realistic IMO. Once I changed the Vizio to Home mode out of Store mode the TV defaulted to the Computer setting for some reason. Maybe it thought Best Buy's HDMI cable was a PC? I set the TV up and immediately went to Youtube for some 4K stuff. By the way some were complaining that Youtube was not one of the apps on the Vizio. But it was there on this one. WOW! The TV is gorgeous. Even in a bad viewing area like this it really popped. I ran it through its paces with the different viewing modes. Calibrated mode was dark in the setting I was in. Vivid was very bright. Brighter than any setting I could find on the TCL. 1080P looked great as well. I didnt try any 720 or 480P stuff. I know that is an issue for some in here. But the scaler seemed to work very well with everything I threw at it. I also didnt get to try out any HDR or Dolby either. It was above a P Quantum. Not an X. a regular P. And while the P was definitely noticeably brighter. IMO it wasnt a $600 difference in picture quality.

The TCL has a beautiful picture as well. I am kind of sad that I never got a good one from Walmart. I probably would have just kept it and never looked back. But after seeing the M series at the same time I am sticking with the M. One of the nice things for me is that the TCL has Roku built in. So I was going to save a hundred bucks by buying that brand. But the M series picture is just better. Period. At least IMO. And I will just fork out the extra hundred and buy a Roku Elite to go with it. I would have loved to test both TV's in a dark room. But that is not where this TV will be going anyways. It is going to be a family room TV as I have a dedicated theater with a PJ in the house. And wont be watching much in the way of movies on this TV. It will be for evening TV shows, video games and such. The other reason I am going with the M is that the complaints about TCL's customer service are very concerning to me. Vizio on the other hand receives praise for the customer service and that is important to me should something go wrong. All in all I was glad to have the opportunity to play with them both. Thanks to Kevin from Best Buy for letting me do it.
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