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I strongly considered both of these in 65". Wound up with the Vizio a couple months ago and I've been happy with it.

If you get a good panel, I think either of these is tough to beat.
Thanks @WRXpilot, for the info. The wife is not having a 65" for the bedroom, so I went with the 55R13 TCL.
I had some points to add, and using the Costco credit card, gave me a 4 year warranty. Really enjoying the TV.
I wanted the M558, but Costco has the M557.
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The M558 is QLED, while the 2018 TCL 6 Series is not. The difference is noticeable, at least to me, with deeper blacks and richer colors on the Vizio. The 2019 TCL 6 Series, available now on Amazon, is QLED.

Besides the better picture, Vizio seems to have better reliability, with fewer reports of the "panel lottery" that you see with TCL. So I went with the Vizio M558-G1 and am happy, especially since it's down to $499 at Best Buy!
Thanks for the info @Paul Kelly. Costco has a 4 year warranty when using their credit card, so I ended up with the TCL 55R13, as it was a bit more than what Costco carries, the M557. Did not want to pay for more warranty from best buy.
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Vizio M558-G1 Streaming audio issue?

I have just installed my M558-G1.

I get proper 5.1 audio outputs to my amplifier when using the TV tuner.

When I stream something off the You Tube app I only get stereo output showing on the receiver and the
TV always shows the "Stereo" icon on the info header. This occurs even on clips that are listed as 5.1/7.1/Atmos.
I doubled checked in the menu that internal speakers are off, and the output is set to "bitstream" while streaming.



Is this a limitation of the TV and/or You Tube app or have I missed a setting?


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YouTube does not do surround sound, their videos are encoded to 2.0 only. Whoever uploaded those clips may not even realize it either. What you're hearing is a universal limitation of YouTube, and has nothing to do with your TV or AVR.
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Many thanks for the info.,


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Yeah, considering it’s a FALD (even though it’s 12 zones) it seems odd that there’s significant flash lighting. I just got done making a run to a different Best Buy to exchange it. I can only assume it was a defective panel as there’s no way that’s normal


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Hello all, I see that the rtings show that vizio m doesn't do judder free 24p over 60p sources like netflix, was there ever a fix for this?
Also, some people reported seeing dithering/subpixel dimming on the 558 but they were both at bestbuy display models (who is notorious for mislabeling tvs). Does anybody have this at home?

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First issue with M-Series - horizontal color flickering

Hi all - have been very happy with my Vizio M558-G1 for the past few months but just this morning noticed an issue. I've never owned an LCD/LED panel before (only plasma) so I don't know if this is just a temporary issue or something indicative of chronic.

It's a horizontal color band flickering across the entire screen in various clusters.

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Hi all - have been very happy with my Vizio M558-G1 for the past few months but just this morning noticed an issue. I've never owned an LCD/LED panel before (only plasma) so I don't know if this is just a temporary issue or something indicative of chronic.

It's a horizontal color band flickering across the entire screen in various clusters.

Here it is: https://imgur.com/67rxnhF

And some images bc the imgur link is being a little finicky:

Can anyone help? Thanks!

try another hdmi cable, and another hdmi port, if not solved, it is indicative of a greater issue that you will need a repair for.
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Hi all - have been very happy with my Vizio M558-G1 for the past few months but just this morning noticed an issue. I've never owned an LCD/LED panel before (only plasma) so I don't know if this is just a temporary issue or something indicative of chronic.

It's a horizontal color band flickering across the entire screen in various clusters.

Here it is: https://imgur.com/67rxnhF

And some images bc the imgur link is being a little finicky:

Can anyone help? Thanks!
Could be an HDMI cable issue, have you noticed this with streaming via onboard apps, or something like an Amazon Stick?

It could also be a loose ribbon inside the panel.

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I have seen a similar line on my TV, but it was vertical, and only appeared after switching inputs from my 4K UHD player to the 1080i DirecTV input.

I turned the TV and satellite receiver off and back on and it has not reappeared.
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Was wondering if anybody had the opportunity to compare the 558 with the 507 in a reasonable environment and if they noticed any differences beyond those listed in the specs. I disable FALD so I don’t care about that one
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I disable FALD so I don’t care about that one
Why would you do that?!?!

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Since the Full Color is set to on, have you tried a different HDMI cable? I purchased a new cable awhile back and it was defective.
Yeah even my lowly 2018 Vizio E series can do Dolby Vision @60Hz with Apple TV 4K. Try different cable need to be high speed > 18GB bandwidth I think to work.
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The M437-G0 is in my opinion a big upgrade over last years E43-F1. HDR colors are much better even standard tv channels look better to me there seems to better contrast.
Thanks for the info. I currently use a E43-F1 and thinking of getting the 2019 Vizio M to replace it.
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Why would you do that?!?!
I don't care for it, I always see the zones dimming up and down (I do image quality checking in art production for a living so that might be part of it).


are any of these non-juddery on the m558 with the new firmware, they are juddery on m507


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I don't care for it, I always see the zones dimming up and down (I do image quality checking in art production for a living so that might be part of it).

You'd be better off buying a much cheaper(in cost) television then if you won't be using the FALD.

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That is not true, you are paying for panel uniformity and quality along other features. It's still back-lit rather than edge lit etc. Anyhow, that's all beside the point. Going back to the judder issue, Apple tv apparently matches framer ate with Netflix, and shield maybe does, fire TV does not, built in app doesn't either. Netflix has a show called test patterns to check this.
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I have alot of standard dvds that I watch.is the scaler in this tv really that bad? Also alot of 720p network sports. Thanks for any info.
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If you watch those dvds on a Blu-ray player or something capable of 1080p, the device might have better upscaling. It shouldn't be horrible for 720p
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Hi all, wanted to share my experience between the two versions of this TV. I've tested both the M557-G0 and the M658-G1, IE the budget 55" and the better 65". I used identical SW settings between both panels copied from RTings. Some observations after running them side by side(I'm at a novice at this stuff, be gentle):

-The M557-G0 definitely has worse contrast, and the difference is pretty significant in dark scenes. When running the a local dimming test on both at the same time the M658-G1 had inky blacks, whereas the cheaper variant just looked like a very dark grey
-The M557-G0 version also had more of the dirty screen effect, immediately noticeable even on the UI home screen
-The M557-G0 also had what looked like mintor backlight bleed in the top right corner of the screen, M658-G1 had none
-The M658-G1 colours were warmer, which I preferred

Packaging wise both were identical, same remote, same accessories, etc. Build quality is the same pretty much, although it felt like the M658-G1 was nearly twice as heavy as the cheaper model lifting it up.

I'm returning the M557-G0 and sticking with the 65" in the meantime. It's unfortunate that Costco only sells the cheaper one, I would have preferred to buy my TV from them.
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Hi all, wanted to share my experience between the two versions of this TV. I've tested both the M557-G0 and the M658-G1, IE the budget 55" and the better 65". I used identical SW settings between both panels copied from RTings. Some observations after running them side by side(I'm at a novice at this stuff, be gentle):



-The M557-G0 definitely has worse contrast, and the difference is pretty significant in dark scenes. When running the a local dimming test on both at the same time the M658-G1 had inky blacks, whereas the cheaper variant just looked like a very dark grey

-The M557-G0 version also had more of the dirty screen effect, immediately noticeable even on the UI home screen

-The M557-G0 also had what looked like mintor backlight bleed in the top right corner of the screen, M658-G1 had none

-The M658-G1 colours were warmer, which I preferred



Packaging wise both were identical, same remote, same accessories, etc. Build quality is the same pretty much, although it felt like the M658-G1 was nearly twice as heavy as the cheaper model lifting it up.



I'm returning the M557-G0 and sticking with the 65" in the meantime. It's unfortunate that Costco only sells the cheaper one, I would have preferred to buy my TV from them.


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Over-saturation, or just me?

Hi guys. Just bought this set and am really impressed with it. For the price it is brilliant and I don't think you can go wrong. I have some questions about some things you might be able to help with, though.
1. When I am watching normal programming, the colors are great, but when I am in the menus or pull up the X-Ray function while watching Amazon Prime, I notice that the reds are EXTREMELY bright and vivid. I wouldn't say they are neon, but they are bright. Also happens with the Netflix title that appears on the black screen right as the app is opening and this is with picture mode on dark calibration and the color at 50, tint 0. I am wondering if there is an issue with the way the tv is processing the reds or maybe my eyes just haven't adjusted to the Quantum Color aspect of the screen.
2. HDMI input 1 is of course designed to be used with ARC. Does this mean we cannot set up UHD Color on that input? Plugged my LG UBK90 into it last night and the screen would go blank every time I tried to engage UHD color in the menu.

I have enjoyed reading the information on here and it has been very helpful. Thanks for any input on the above questions.
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Hi guys. Just bought this set and am really impressed with it. For the price it is brilliant and I don't think you can go wrong. I have some questions about some things you might be able to help with, though.
1. When I am watching normal programming, the colors are great, but when I am in the menus or pull up the X-Ray function while watching Amazon Prime, I notice that the reds are EXTREMELY bright and vivid. I wouldn't say they are neon, but they are bright. Also happens with the Netflix title that appears on the black screen right as the app is opening and this is with picture mode on dark calibration and the color at 50, tint 0. I am wondering if there is an issue with the way the tv is processing the reds or maybe my eyes just haven't adjusted to the Quantum Color aspect of the screen.
2. HDMI input 1 is of course designed to be used with ARC. Does this mean we cannot set up UHD Color on that input? Plugged my LG UBK90 into it last night and the screen would go blank every time I tried to engage UHD color in the menu.

I have enjoyed reading the information on here and it has been very helpful. Thanks for any input on the above questions.
I also just purchased a new M437-G0 to replace a 2015 M 43" that unfortunately died. I'm also having trouble with the reds on the new set. Either they seem too vivid or too grey. Maybe its the Quantum Color. Skin tones are too grey in Calibrated but when I up the color to make people look healthier the reds get too red. Using Normal color temperature.

The TV uses different picture settings for the HDMI inputs than it uses for the apps, make sure to check. Out of the box it was set to Vivid and when I saw the screaming red Netflix logo I almost got knocked out of my chair.
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I also just purchased a new M437-G0 to replace a 2015 M 43" that unfortunately died. I'm also having trouble with the reds on the new set. Either they seem too vivid or too grey. Maybe its the Quantum Color. Skin tones are too grey in Calibrated but when I up the color to make people look healthier the reds get too red. Using Normal color temperature.

The TV uses different picture settings for the HDMI inputs than it uses for the apps, make sure to check. Out of the box it was set to Vivid and when I saw the screaming red Netflix logo I almost got knocked out of my chair.
I really notice the red in the menus. Was watching The Boys last night on Prime and when the box came up in the corner to show a new episode would start, the "laser eyes" in the thumbnail looked HORRIBLE. I returned a V Series I had (way too much DSE) for this one and the color palate looked much more normal on that tv, which I find strange.
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For Mx58-G1 owners, how's the sound from the built-in speakers? Considering this TV as a gift for my mother. Could do the 65" with the standard speakers, or the 55" and using the savings on a solid 2.1 soundbar setup.


It'll be an upgrade from a ~10-year-old 46" Samsung LCD TV, on which both the display and speakers are on their way out. So either way it'll be a big upgrade. :-)


Thanks in advance for your opinions.
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I really notice the red in the menus. Was watching The Boys last night on Prime and when the box came up in the corner to show a new episode would start, the "laser eyes" in the thumbnail looked HORRIBLE. I returned a V Series I had (way too much DSE) for this one and the color palate looked much more normal on that tv, which I find strange.
Although it shouldn't be neccessary, it sounds like a professional calibration may be needed. When reading the review on the M Series from rtings.com, I noticed they have the calibration settings listed that they used. Although these won't be perfect for every M Series TV, they should get you in the ballpark, and as they mention, you can always reset them back to default if you're not satisfied.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/m-series-quantum-2019/settings
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Should it stay or should it go?

So I picked up a Vizio m437-g0 43" today at Best Buy for use in my bedroom. My main TV is an LG OLED and I had no expectations that this budget Vizio would come close in PQ and it doesn't. And I can live with that since it's just for the bedroom. However, the light bleed is pretty severe on the right side. Not sure if I should take it back or can live with it. I've set it to 'Calibrated Dark' and turned the local dimming to low and the back lighting to zero, which doesn't make sense to me, the back light setting doesn't seem to have an impact. My phone camera exaggerated the light bleed some but not by much What do you guys think, should I take it back?
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So I picked up a Vizio m437-g0 43" today at Best Buy for use in my bedroom. My main TV is an LG OLED and I had no expectations that this budget Vizio would come close in PQ and it doesn't. And I can live with that since it's just for the bedroom. However, the light bleed is pretty severe on the right side. Not sure if I should take it back or can live with it. I've set it to 'Calibrated Dark' and turned the local dimming to low and the back lighting to zero, which doesn't make sense to me, the back light setting doesn't seem to have an impact. My phone camera exaggerated the light bleed some but not by much What do you guys think, should I take it back?
Yeah just got my Vizio m437-g0 43 yesterday and noticed the same thing in same spot but not as bad so maybe panel lottery they are talking about in reviews?
Anyways, haven't had a chance to compare with my Vizio E 43" which I never noticed on so will have to do some more testing and put them side-by-side to compare. Also, haven't been watching enough stuff especially with dark scenes to tell if it's gonna bother me. If it's significantly worse than my E43 and bugs me I might return since was pretty happy with screen uniformity and blacks on my Vizio E 43" only reason I got the M is for the improved colors i.e. color gamut mainly which scored way higher than the old E series.
Have to admit the colors blew me away the first time I booted into Windows 10 desktop anyways seems to stand out way more and give 3D effect as seen in this pic I took of the Vizio m437-g0 43.
Of course the bleed on right side isn't noticeable because of the bright desktop pic Windows 10 used
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I really notice the red in the menus. Was watching The Boys last night on Prime and when the box came up in the corner to show a new episode would start, the "laser eyes" in the thumbnail looked HORRIBLE. I returned a V Series I had (way too much DSE) for this one and the color palate looked much more normal on that tv, which I find strange.
I'll have to look for that.
Also, are you guys using built-in Smartcast, Apple TV or FireTV when seeing this?
Reason I say is that I've noticed on my older Vizio anyways that AppleTV seems to use warmer colors when playing the same content vs FireTV. But most people won't notice but sounds like what you all describe is pretty noticeable.
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