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75'' Q90R vs 85'' X950G (Same Price)

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What would you choose if you could buy them at the same price?

X950G seems to be a decent TV but Samsung is the best. But I am not after the best actually. I can live with less contrast or worse reflection handling.

I wouldn't even consider 75'' Q90R Samsung but I have seen X950G review and blooming looks pretty disturbing. And I watch movies with subtitles in dark room often.

But the thing is they tested 55'' version and I thought if it was 85'' it would be brighten up the room even with dark scenes so blooming would be less distracting. Is my thinking applies to real world usage?

I should also note that I have KS8000 now and actually never distracted with blooming even though it's obviouly there. Actually I didn't notice it at all until now because I was not paying attention to it. So this couldn't be a problem for me if it can be made less distractive with playing some of the settings. I really wish 85''. Do you think blooming will be a good reason to go with smaller screen? Is it that bad and not adjustable anyway or 85'' won't help even though it would brighten up the room like there's ambient light?

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PS: I mentioned this review and blooming looks horrible there with black bars.
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If you don't need the viewing angle, you could always save some money and get an 85 900f which has less blooming than wide angle Sony LCDs.
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If you don't need the viewing angle, you could always save some money and get an 85 900f which has less blooming than wide angle Sony LCDs.
Unfortunately 85'' X900F is not available in my country, nor 82'' Q90R, 82'' Q9FN, 82'' Q8FN etc.

I have only two reasonable 80+ inches options: 82 Q70R and 85 X950G. (82Q900R is available but I am not that mad or rich to buy a 8K TV when I barely see 4k difference on 65 inches TV.)

I eliminated Q70R and now torn between X950G and Q90R just because of blooming issues. I just hope large screen size and maybe added bias lighting will help it, but will it?
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75'' Q90R vs 85'' X950G (Same Price)

If you are at all concerned about blooming, go with the Q90. The Q90 still has blooming, but it’s a substantial improvement over the Sony 900F and 950G. I owned the 85” 900F and ended up returning it due to the excessive amount of blooming. I own the 82” Q90 now and although it could have been even better with an extra 200-300 zones, I’m overall still satisfied. And, with the same 480 zones, the 75” version should be even better with how it handles blooming.

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There's no way that a review of the non-wide angle 55" can be used to make any judgement about the 85" wide angle version. They are very different TVs different panels. If you were really "never distracted with blooming" on your edge-lit with local dimming KS8000 you should be OK with the blooming on the X950G. Those full height vertical zones create massive blooming, far greater than any FALD. But some are fixated on blooming instead of overall HDR performance such as in dark scenes where the X950G does very well and the Q90R does not. No TV is perfect, all LCDs and OLEDs are flawed and those flaws will show up in specific content. You need to "pick your poison".
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Unfortunately 85'' X900F is not available in my country, nor 82'' Q90R, 82'' Q9FN, 82'' Q8FN etc.

I have only two reasonable 80+ inches options: 82 Q70R and 85 X950G. (82Q900R is available but I am not that mad or rich to buy a 8K TV when I barely see 4k difference on 65 inches TV.)

I eliminated Q70R and now torn between X950G and Q90R just because of blooming issues. I just hope large screen size and maybe added bias lighting will help it, but will it?
Then it's viewing angle, brightness, Dolby Vision and motion (950G) vs contrast and lack of blooming(Q70). If DV isn't a big deal to you, you're personally not sensitive to motion nor need wide viewing angle, the Q70 is a great looking set. It's currently competing for the least amount of blooming of current LCDs.

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There's no way that a review of the non-wide angle 55" can be used to make any judgement about the 85" wide angle version. They are very different TVs different panels. If you were really "never distracted with blooming" on your edge-lit with local dimming KS8000 you should be OK with the blooming on the X950G. Those full height vertical zones create massive blooming, far greater than any FALD. But some are fixated on blooming instead of overall HDR performance such as in dark scenes where the X950G does very well and the Q90R does not. No TV is perfect, all LCDs and OLEDs are flawed and those flaws will show up in specific content. You need to "pick your poison".
Huh?! The Q90 is MUCH better in dark HDR scenes than the Sony 900F, 950G and Z9F. I’ve owned 2 of the 3 Sony’s as well. Dark scene performance is far and away the biggest weakness of any 2018/2019 Sony FALD, minus possibly the Z9G which I have yet to witness in person.

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Why did Samsung not use a noticeably worse anti reflective layer than last year on the 70?
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...&threshold=0.1
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Why did Samsung not use a noticeably worse anti reflective layer than last year on the 70?
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...&threshold=0.1

Because, you know, progress. Samsung, we are a large manufacturer. We know what you need. You take what we give you... and like it.

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Because, you know, progress. Samsung, we are a large manufacturer. We know what you need. You take what we give you... and like it.
I get it but that set is a candidate for high end value leader and then they compromise the great blacks with that. Maybe it was to make it look worse than the top 2 models in bright showrooms.
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Why did Samsung not use a noticeably worse anti reflective layer than last year on the 70?

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...&threshold=0.1

Better in some areas and worse in others. Color gamut, color volume, and brightness also took significant hits as well. Strange about the color taking a hit, considering that the Q70 didn’t get ultra wide angle layer.
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Huh?! The Q90 is MUCH better in dark HDR scenes than the Sony 900F, 950G and Z9F. I’ve owned 2 of the 3 Sony’s as well. Dark scene performance is far and away the biggest weakness of any 2018/2019 Sony FALD, minus possibly the Z9G which I have yet to witness in person.

Stop making obviously ridiculous and untrue statements!
Vincent's comparison of the showed pretty conclusively that the X950G outperforms the Q90R in dark scenes. From what I see, the Q90R is MUCH worse in dark HDR scenes.


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Vincent's comparison of the showed pretty conclusively that the X950G outperforms the Q90R in dark scenes. From what I see, the Q90R is MUCH worse in dark HDR scenes.



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I think you better watch his video again. He clearly states that he was able to find the occasional instance where the Q90 FALD dimmed down a bit further than the 950G. Samsung has always traded off a small amount of shadow detail for better black performance and much less blooming. Way to blow that into a claim that the 950G is MUCH better in dark scene HDR performance. What about blacks and what about blooming??

Apparently you didn’t see Vincent’s review where he says the Q90 is the best 4K LED LCD of 2019 model year. Do you think this is due to the Q90 having better motion handling, color accuracy, EOTF accuracy, or shadow detail than the Sony? No, it’s because of the MUCH better blacks and blooming control in HDR.
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There's no way that a review of the non-wide angle 55" can be used to make any judgement about the 85" wide angle version. They are very different TVs different panels. If you were really "never distracted with blooming" on your edge-lit with local dimming KS8000 you should be OK with the blooming on the X950G. Those full height vertical zones create massive blooming, far greater than any FALD. But some are fixated on blooming instead of overall HDR performance such as in dark scenes where the X950G does very well and the Q90R does not. No TV is perfect, all LCDs and OLEDs are flawed and those flaws will show up in specific content. You need to "pick your poison".
Yes KS8000 has massive blooming but it almost covers the whole screen and actually is less distracting even though it destroys contrast. Because light is spread and less annoying than having small blooming spots all over the screen. I rarely see lighter spots at on black bars because the whole screen is evenly lit. So what happens in KS8000? More greyish black borders. But snce the light leaks to the whole black bars it's more tolerable to me.

Also it appears there is not significant picture quality difference between smaller and larger sizes even though they have different technology added to panel. Flatpanelhd mentions blooming as well and they reviewed 75". Pretty similar contrast, brightness etc...

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Unfortunately 85'' X900F is not available in my country, nor 82'' Q90R, 82'' Q9FN, 82'' Q8FN etc. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif[/IMG]

I have only two reasonable 80+ inches options: 82 Q70R and 85 X950G. (82Q900R is available but I am not that mad or rich to buy a 8K TV when I barely see 4k difference on 65 inches TV.)

I eliminated Q70R and now torn between X950G and Q90R just because of blooming issues. I just hope large screen size and maybe added bias lighting will help it, but will it?[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif[/IMG]
Then it's viewing angle, brightness, Dolby Vision and motion (950G) vs contrast and lack of blooming(Q70). If DV isn't a big deal to you, you're personally not sensitive to motion nor need wide viewing angle, the Q70 is a great looking set. It's currently competing for the least amount of blooming of current LCDs.
Yeah Q70R sounded too perfect to be true.

After Seeing this; video there is; no way I put money that TV.



46f7000 on the left. Q70R does not come close to brightness, colors and contrast of a very old TV. Reflections; are horrible too. Qled my ass. (They are on both dynamic mode with brightest settings possible. And Q70R is washed out with dull colors and gray blacks. Disgusting.)

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Yeah Q70R sounded too perfect to be true.

After seeing this video there is no way I put money that TV.

https://youtu.be/MmffB-GWVx0


46f7000 on the left. Q70R does not come close to brightness, colors and contrast of a very old TV. Reflections are horrible too. Qled my ass. (They are on both dynamic mode with brightest settings possible. And Q70R is washed out with dull colors and gray blacks. Disgusting.)
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Yeah Q70R sounded too perfect to be true.

After Seeing this; video there is; no way I put money that TV.

https://youtu.be/MmffB-GWVx0


46f7000 on the left. Q70R does not come close to brightness, colors and contrast of a very old TV. Reflections; are horrible too. Qled my ass. (They are on both dynamic mode with brightest settings possible. And Q70R is washed out with dull colors and gray blacks. Disgusting.)
I think if you look at any TV trying to find reasons not to like it, you will find them and be unhappy with your purchase.

My preference is for the larger screen if it’s acceptable. Also, what’s your available return policy? I’d say start with the Sony and see if you notice the blooming if you don’t go looking for it.
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Yeah Q70R sounded too perfect to be true.

After Seeing this; video there is; no way I put money that TV.

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46f7000 on the left. Q70R does not come close to brightness, colors and contrast of a very old TV. Reflections; are horrible too. Qled my ass. (They are on both dynamic mode with brightest settings possible. And Q70R is washed out with dull colors and gray blacks. Disgusting.)
If you look carefully, you'll notice that the 7000 is angled up at the camera and the Q70 is not. That can affect color saturation and blacks quite a bit. The Q70 clearly has a better anti reflective screen but they are never reflecting the same thing so unless you're paying attention, it would be easy to come to the wrong conclusion. We also don't know about settings. Turn the brightness down on the Q70 or change the aperture or angle on the camera and it's colors will look more saturated with blacks deeper. That vid is Quantum Apotheosis level of misleading.
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If you look carefully, you'll notice that the 7000 is angled up at the camera and the Q70 is not. That can affect color saturation and blacks quite a bit. The Q70 clearly has a better anti reflective screen but they are never reflecting the same thing so unless you're paying attention, it would be easy to come to the wrong conclusion. We also don't know about settings. Turn the brightness down on the Q70 or change the aperture or angle on the camera and it's colors will look more saturated with blacks deeper. That vid is Quantum Apotheosis level of misleading.
I agree. Goes to show how easily an obviously BAD video can mislead the uneducated.
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If you look carefully, you'll notice that the 7000 is angled up at the camera and the Q70 is not. That can affect color saturation and blacks quite a bit. The Q70 clearly has a better anti reflective screen but they are never reflecting the same thing so unless you're paying attention, it would be easy to come to the wrong conclusion. We also don't know about settings. Turn the brightness down on the Q70 or change the aperture or angle on the camera and it's colors will look more saturated with blacks deeper. That vid is Quantum Apotheosis level of misleading.
The person uploaded the video said Q70R was too dim and he couldn't make it as bright as older TV. I asked him about settings, he said settings were similar on both TVs. But I still suspect he over increased brightness of Q70R to make it as bright as other TV. So it looks pretty washed out. Also I didn't notice the angle. Yes, it could affect the picture indeed. Thank you. But I also read the FlatpanelHD's review and they don't say nice things about the HDR performance of Q70R.

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Yet it still has more brightness and greater contrast than that other set. You are also comparing different size sets and smaller sets appear more saturated due to pixel density. The f7000 even has a glossy-ish screen that looks awesome without reflections but certainly not something preferred in use. It's been angled away from bright windows when the Q70 was virtually aimed at them. It's a bogus compare. If you don't think so, fine, find a used f7000 and be happy.

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Huh?! The Q90 is MUCH better in dark HDR scenes than the Sony 900F, 950G and Z9F. I’ve owned 2 of the 3 Sony’s as well. Dark scene performance is far and away the biggest weakness of any 2018/2019 Sony FALD, minus possibly the Z9G which I have yet to witness in person.

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Sorry to reply to an old thread, but I was trying to decide between the 85" X950G, 75" Z9F and 82" Q90R. I'm going back and forth between the Z9F and Q90R at this point, and thought I'd ask your opinion seeing as you've had both of them. Overall, do you prefer the Z9F or Q90R? My biggest concern with the Z9F is blooming, while the Q90R I've heard suffers from black crush. This TV will be going in a room that will be nearly pitch black about 90% of the time, and it will be replacing a Sony X940E. My uses for this TV will be about 75% movies and TV shows and 25% gaming. Any input is much appreciated!

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Sorry to reply to an old thread, but I was trying to decide between the 85" X950G, 75" Z9F and 82" Q90R. I'm going back and forth between the Z9F and Q90R at this point, and thought I'd ask your opinion seeing as you've had both of them. Overall, do you prefer the Z9F or Q90R? My biggest concern with the Z9F is blooming, while the Q90R I've heard suffers from black crush. This TV will be going in a room that will be nearly pitch black about 90% of the time, and it will be replacing a Sony X940E. My uses for this TV will be about 75% movies and TV shows and 25% gaming. Any input is much appreciated!
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Sorry to reply to an old thread, but I was trying to decide between the 85" X950G, 75" Z9F and 82" Q90R. I'm going back and forth between the Z9F and Q90R at this point, and thought I'd ask your opinion seeing as you've had both of them. Overall, do you prefer the Z9F or Q90R? My biggest concern with the Z9F is blooming, while the Q90R I've heard suffers from black crush. This TV will be going in a room that will be nearly pitch black about 90% of the time, and it will be replacing a Sony X940E. My uses for this TV will be about 75% movies and TV shows and 25% gaming. Any input is much appreciated!
Honestly.....both are great sets, but the easy choice between them for a dark room(any room actually) is the 82” Q90, no question about it!

With the Q90 you have a bigger screen, better blacks, a lot less blooming, much better reflection handling.

With the Z9F you have more accurate colors, a bit better motion, slightly more shadow detail.

Upscaling and brightness are about equal imo. Also, I would probably take the 85” 950G over the 75” Z9F if I were to choose between those two Sony’s.
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Honestly.....both are great sets, but the easy choice between them for a dark room(any room actually) is the 82” Q90, no question about it!

With the Q90 you have a bigger screen, better blacks, a lot less blooming, much better reflection handling.

With the Z9F you have more accurate colors, a bit better motion, slightly more shadow detail.

Upscaling and brightness are about equal imo. Also, I would probably take the 85” 950G over the 75” Z9F if I were to choose between those two Sony’s.
Thanks! My decision has gotten more difficult now as the 77" C9 is down to $5499, only $500 more than the 82" Q90R. Given those prices, would you still go with the Q90R? I have an A9F in another room and love it. Are the black levels close to an OLED, such as you would only notice a difference if you compared them side by side, or is the difference pretty big?

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Thanks! My decision has gotten more difficult now as the 77" C9 is down to $5499, only $500 more than the 82" Q90R. Given those prices, would you still go with the Q90R? I have an A9F in another room and love it. Are the black levels close to an OLED, such as you would only notice a difference if you compared them side by side, or is the difference pretty big?
For a dark room, go with with the 77” C9, especially considering how happy you are with the A9F. No question the C9 will be the better performer in a mostly dark room.

The only reason to consider the Q90, would be for the bigger screen size. The 82” will be substantially more immersive if that’s important to you. 5” of extra screen doesn’t sound like that much, but it sure does make a difference.

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Honestly after having the q80r and then settling on the x950g, I would take it over any of this years Qled lineup. Just better all around TV.
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Honestly after having the q80r and then settling on the x950g, I would take it over any of this years Qled lineup. Just better all around TV.
What size is your 950G?

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Sorry to reply to an old thread, but I was trying to decide between the 85" X950G, 75" Z9F and 82" Q90R. I'm going back and forth between the Z9F and Q90R at this point, and thought I'd ask your opinion seeing as you've had both of them. Overall, do you prefer the Z9F or Q90R? My biggest concern with the Z9F is blooming, while the Q90R I've heard suffers from black crush. This TV will be going in a room that will be nearly pitch black about 90% of the time, and it will be replacing a Sony X940E. My uses for this TV will be about 75% movies and TV shows and 25% gaming. Any input is much appreciated!
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Why are you considering replacing your Sony 940E for any other 75" LCD set, considering all the many stellar reviews it has received ?
Anything defective with your 940E ? Or are you primarily concerned about improving the viewing angle ?

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PS: I mentioned this review and blooming looks horrible there with black bars.
1-Could this be fixed by an update from Sony?

2- Could this be fixed by changing the color of the subtitles into red?
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