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OLED owner needs to get an LCD/LED for a bright room...

I have never owned an LCD/LED TV. I went straight from Pioneer Elite Kuro Plasma to LG OLED. We just moved into a new home recently with a full wall of windows and my wife likes the natural light. So the OLED will be moved to a dedicated dim media room where I can control the natural light. We still want a 65" TV for the main living area downstairs (open concept with lots of natural light). I'm looking for brightness to compete with the natural light (not direct sunlight) without washing out the picture too much. Is it even possible? I know I wont be able to get the PQ of an OLED in this room but I don't even know where to begin since I have focused primarily on picture quality from my TV's for the past 10 years. The best value/features/power efficiency/no burn-in would be a high priority for me. Where do you suggest I start?
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Tcl for budget, sony x950g or Samsung q80 or q90 for higher price, though not necessarily 2x better.

Tcl is about to refresh their lineup next Wednesday with q dots and maybe mini LED
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Also visit costco to look at vizio P Quantum X. Very bright.
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my hisense h9f gets pretty bright for daytime viewing no issues
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I have never owned an LCD/LED TV. I went straight from Pioneer Elite Kuro Plasma to LG OLED. We just moved into a new home recently with a full wall of windows and my wife likes the natural light. So the OLED will be moved to a dedicated dim media room where I can control the natural light. We still want a 65" TV for the main living area downstairs (open concept with lots of natural light). I'm looking for brightness to compete with the natural light (not direct sunlight) without washing out the picture too much. Is it even possible? I know I wont be able to get the PQ of an OLED in this room but I don't even know where to begin since I have focused primarily on picture quality from my TV's for the past 10 years. The best value/features/power efficiency/no burn-in would be a high priority for me. Where do you suggest I start?
Samsung Q8FN (2018) is highly rated for a bright room, but not readily available. Next suggestion would be Samsung Q9FN (2018), which are available.

Third consideration, also on the value side, Sony X900F (2018/19). Good luck. Have fun.

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https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/pict...tte-and-glossy

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sa...-q9f-qled-2018

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...5/599#page-top

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Samsung Q80 might be worth consideration as well. Brightness is good, better than the OLED's although not best in class. However, the anti-reflection technology used on this display is quite amazing so of benefit for a bright room with lots of reflections. Also has a very good viewing angle for an LED. I think viewing angle and reflection handling might be the best or close to the best for any LED. Combined with good brightness makes it a good choice imo.

I thought this was a good comparison between the QLED and OLED.
Rtings.com places the Q90 and Q80 picture quality close enough to not make the Q90 worth it.

I'm in a similar situation of a living room with lots of windows and still went back and forth with whether to get the OLED or QLED.

In the end, the 75" QLED was found for a fantastic deal whereas the 77" OLED is way out of budget. I decided the larger panel was more beneficial than a slightly better image on certain scenes. The reflection handling is also important for my situation.

Another factor which may or may not matter.....the QLED's have ambient mode that allows you to use the screen to display a work of art, photograph, or decor friendly pattern. Looks much nicer than a big black screen in the room when not in use.
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Sony 950G or Z9F if you still want good quality (picture, build, motion, upscaling, accuracy). Can get bright and still have solid black level performance. I have a TCL 6 series in my spare room but don't think it gets bright enough and I also don't think it compares to Sony either. It's biggest pro is the price.

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Q90 all the way! The brightness alone makes it worth it over the Q80. Plus, as an added bonus you get roughly 5x as many dimming zones to give you better blooming control.

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I have a z9d in my living room which is what i would recommend but they are no longer for sale so the next best bet is the samsung q90. Sony has the better tvs but after 2017 they no longer care about blooming on leds and for a dude who is used to plasma and oled blooming would be a problem for you.
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Q90R for brightness and the anti-reflective layer...

Mine is in a living room with eight windows. You cannot see any of those windows at any time of day as glare. Paired with that brightness, movies at any time of day, so much better than any display available. If I had a dark room, I'd get OLED, but when I put my phone flashlight in front and then seeing minimal reflection sold me on the Q90R for my use case.
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This thread is a bit over the top on how bright a TV is needed in a bright family room. You DO NOT NEED a 1,000 nit display, so you DO NOT NEED a Z9F or Q90R. If reflections are an issue, the Q80R will be just fine because it has the same anti-reflective performance as the Q90R. If you do not have a reflection issue, any TV that can get to 400 to 500 nits full screen brightness will be more than adequate. What makes an OLED a bad idea is that when brightness is turned up to maximum, the pixels will age (dim) faster so you want to avoid that type of usage. I have an older Q7C in my family room with 5 windows on the western wall behind the TV, and two double French doors with transom windows above on the northern wall and it looks fine with the backlight set at 15 (max is 20). Today is a full sun day here today and the Yankee/Oriole game looked perfect with all the sunlight behind the TV.
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This thread is a bit over the top on how bright a TV is needed in a bright family room. You DO NOT NEED a 1,000 nit display, so you DO NOT NEED a Z9F or Q90R. If reflections are an issue, the Q80R will be just fine because it has the same anti-reflective performance as the Q90R. If you do not have a reflection issue, any TV that can get to 400 to 500 nits full screen brightness will be more than adequate. What makes an OLED a bad idea is that when brightness is turned up to maximum, the pixels will age (dim) faster so you want to avoid that type of usage. I have an older Q7C in my family room with 5 windows on the western wall behind the TV, and two double French doors with transom windows above on the northern wall and it looks fine with the backlight set at 15 (max is 20). Today is a full sun day here today and the Yankee/Oriole game looked perfect with all the sunlight behind the TV.
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Do you regret buying a curved TV. I don't think I could deal with that.
No I don't. It's located in a corner, so it actually looks very good from both viewing locations. Plus, being it's mounted on a table, it's classy design looks very stylish in the daytime and at night it's so thin it seems to be floating in the air. TBH, I don't even notice the curve at all. And, it was on sale for a 40% discount probably because of the curve so that makes it look even better.

I agree that they do look odd when wall mounted and could see it might look weird even table mounted on a straight wall. But in a corner, it looks good.
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This thread is a bit over the top on how bright a TV is needed in a bright family room. You DO NOT NEED a 1,000 nit display, so you DO NOT NEED a Z9F or Q90R. If reflections are an issue, the Q80R will be just fine because it has the same anti-reflective performance as the Q90R. If you do not have a reflection issue, any TV that can get to 400 to 500 nits full screen brightness will be more than adequate. What makes an OLED a bad idea is that when brightness is turned up to maximum, the pixels will age (dim) faster so you want to avoid that type of usage. I have an older Q7C in my family room with 5 windows on the western wall behind the TV, and two double French doors with transom windows above on the northern wall and it looks fine with the backlight set at 15 (max is 20). Today is a full sun day here today and the Yankee/Oriole game looked perfect with all the sunlight behind the TV.
I could not disagree more with the above statement if HDR is important to you. If your primary viewing will be SDR content and you don’t care about HDR, then yes, I agree that 400 - 500 nits should be sufficient.

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I could not disagree more with the above statement if HDR is important to you. If your primary viewing will be SDR content and you don’t care about HDR, then yes, I agree that 400 - 500 nits should be sufficient.
It's always a good idea to thoroughly read the OP's post before jumping in. He's coming from a Pioneer Elite Kuro Plasma, so no HDR there, and then never mentions HDR in his post for a new TV which mentions coming close to an OLED PQ. So, HDR does not appear to be a priority. These threads have a way of morphing into debates/arguments that have nothing to do with the original post. Rather than try to argue with me, if you are here to help, maybe ask the OP about HDR first. Then, if the OP has a genuine interest in HDR, make your suggestion that he buy your beloved Q90R. It certainly is a nice TV, but is a bit pricey, $1,000 more than a 65" LG B8 OLED (Amazon pricing), and way over what most would ever pay for something as trivial as a TV. Even the 65" Q80R is a bit pricey at $2,000 but he would be saving $800 vs. the 65" Q90R while still getting the same excellent anti-reflective capability and wide viewing angle both of which are important in a bright family room setting.
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It's always a good idea to thoroughly read the OP's post before jumping in. He's coming from a Pioneer Elite Kuro Plasma, so no HDR there, and then never mentions HDR in his post for a new TV which mentions coming close to an OLED PQ. So, HDR does not appear to be a priority. These threads have a way of morphing into debates/arguments that have nothing to do with the original post. Rather than try to argue with me, if you are here to help, maybe ask the OP about HDR first. Then, if the OP has a genuine interest in HDR, make your suggestion that he buy your beloved Q90R. It certainly is a nice TV, but is a bit pricey, $1,000 more than a 65" LG B8 OLED (Amazon pricing), and way over what most would ever pay for something as trivial as a TV. Even the 65" Q80R is a bit pricey at $2,000 but he would be saving $800 vs. the 65" Q90R while still getting the same excellent anti-reflective capability and wide viewing angle both of which are important in a bright family room setting.

Exactly!!! You assumed that he did not care about HDR, without asking first, which is fine. The problem came when you jumped on the opportunity to make the rest of us sound like fools for suggesting a brighter set.

Simply put...I’m just letting the OP know that brightness is VERY IMPORTANT if HDR content will be a priority for him now, or maybe later on down the road. The Q80r is also a very nice set if stretching to the Q90r puts you over budget. What works for best one individual, may not be best for another. Choice is a good thing.

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Thanks for all the input. I'm sure the QLED is fabulous but looking at the price i'm a little confused as they are even more expensive then the LG OLED. I think I need to pull the budget back a bit from the Q80 or Q90. I think $1500 or less for a 65" is where I need to be looking. I have never had HDR in a TV yet, my OLED is an older LG 1080P set. I would like HDR/Dolby Vision in my media room TV eventually but may not be a requirement for my family room TV. However I'm sure I would use the TV more for movies and critical viewing if it did have HDR.
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Do you regret buying a curved TV. I don't think I could deal with that.

Curved TV's are fantastic. I wish they weren't dying out along with 3D. Those cinematic features are really too good for the average TV viewer.


I really want a 65" Q7CN, but I cant find it anywhere for a reasonable price
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