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When will the new 6-series be available in the US?
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Very interested to see reviews on the 75" 8 series.


Was there any timing on the availability of the larger 8k TVs? I was hoping to snag something above 80" if I'm going LCD.


“Early” 2020 per Vincent at HDTVTest, but nothing solid. Looks like they want to test out compatibility with the new gaming systems especially before cementing a date.
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When will the new 6-series be available in the US?
the press release says "summer" so if that's accurate TCL has until Sept. 23 to deliver.
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This is pretty much the most disruptive 75" TV I have seen. It also happens to be exactly what I was telling the "big guys" they should be offering enthusiasts, back in the days of the curve and edgelit 4K.

Well, now we're here except it's TCL that struck first.

I seriously can't wait for the usual reputable sources to report on this TV since I don't want people to take my word for it. But anecdotally, the 8-Series TCL was so much better than the comparison TV (Q80) that all I could think about is how TCL is threatening the OLED "dark room viewing" hegemony.

With the lights on, the Samsung's anti-reflective coating showed why it may be worth getting for a living room TV that sees lots of daytime duty.

But oh boy... when you dim the lights the situation changes drastically. 1000 zones gets the job done. Plus if you are just watching TV or sports in the daytime the 8-Series can just power right through it because it's bright. So unless you watch movies with the lights on, the better FALD of the TCL likely matters more than the anti-reflective qualities of the screen.
I get that they are comparatively priced, but I really think they should have compared it to the Q90R. That would yield a better idea of how much better their sets are compared to conventional FALD since the 90R has more zones.

Even better test would be an OLED, but I'm sure we'll get there lol.

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The 1000 zones contain a total of 25,000 mini-LEDs, i.e. multiple LEDs per zone.
Understood.

He did mention 1000 dimming zones, but that not all potential zones or LEDs were active because the zone algorithm is not ready. So, right now that amount of active LED's per zone is limited because the dimming algorithm is not ready. Is this accurate?
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So, they announced the 8 Series and updated 6 Series today officially. Sorta disappointing. I love the tech they are using, but all the hype around the 8K and the larger screens and then nothing! 75" is common place now. I want bigger screens at somewhat affordable prices. I was hoping this was going to be the answer. Without an 85" inch or larger version I have no interest. Not saying that these aren't going to be spectacular, it just doesn't fit my needs, at this time.

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Understood.

He did mention 1000 dimming zones, but that not all potential zones were active because the zone algorithm is not ready. So, right now that amount of active LED's per zones is limited because the dimming algorithm is not ready. Is this accurate?
I have heard nothing from TCL along those lines so I can't speak to this claim.

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Understood.

He did mention 1000 dimming zones, but that not all potential zones were active because the zone algorithm is not ready. So, right now that amount of active LED's per zones is limited because the dimming algorithm is not ready. Is this accurate?
Didn't see the most recent HDTV Test video, so I can't comment on what he meant there. I do remember a previous preview video from Vincent where he was talking about the TCL MiniLED TVs, and a TCL rep had said that the first implementations of their MiniLED sets would have 25k miniLEDs and 1000 zones, but that future MiniLED TVs made by them would still be 25k miniLEDs total, but that the amount of zones would increase until they had 25k dimmable zones. Not sure how many iterations they said it would be before that, but I think it was like 3rd gen or something IIRC.

Maybe that's what was being referred to in this vid?

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Looking forward to new LCDs coming out. Maybe LCD will finally be able to compete with OLED at the annual shootout.
Don't count on it. The people in charge of the shootout have no vested interest whatsoever in pushing TVs that get sold through discount retailers and warehouses, by their own admission. Unless TCL reaches out to arrange some kind of retail partnership, they likely will never be allowed into the shootout in the first place.
Just... don't worry about it; plenty of other places will give objective reviews, which will be more than enough to base a buying decision off of.
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Didn't see the most recent HDTV Test video, so I can't comment on what he meant there. I do remember a previous preview video from Vincent where he was talking about the TCL MiniLED TVs, and a TCL rep had said that the first implementations of their MiniLED sets would have 25k miniLEDs and 1000 zones, but that future MiniLED TVs made by them would still be 25k miniLEDs total, but that the amount of zones would increase until they had 25k dimmable zones. Not sure how many iterations they said it would be before that, but I think it was like 3rd gen or something IIRC.

Maybe that's what was being referred to in this vid?
4000 zones in 2021, all 25000 in 2023. Looks like they were a little more aggressive and hit 1000 zones when they had anticipated 768. Vid is timestamped to their lighting roadmap:

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Curious what the viewing angle is on it. Same as all other FALD LED TVs? Didnt see/hear it mentioned anywhere.
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Curious what the viewing angle is on it. Same as all other FALD LED TVs? Didnt see/hear it mentioned anywhere.
I mentioned it in my post. ;-)

Normal VA LCD viewing angles.
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Auto game mode is a feature for sure and latency will be low. I did not ask about eARC, but it is not mentioned in the specs.
Doesn't include HDMI 2.1, but I've read elsewhere that it will be included on the 8K range.
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Understood.

He did mention 1000 dimming zones, but that not all potential zones or LEDs were active because the zone algorithm is not ready. So, right now that amount of active LED's per zone is limited because the dimming algorithm is not ready. Is this accurate?



What they mean by this is all the 25,000 LED's are working currently. They just cant individually control every LED. Each zone has 25 mini LED's that operate in unison. So what he was saying is since there are 25,000 individual LED's he was wondering why they couldn't be individually controlled. He concluded that the dimming algorithm wasnt advanced enough to control 25,000 individual LED's but rather would control 1000 zones and each zone will light up and dim 25 LED's.




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I want to further add that what we get now is final. There will be no upgrades allowing control of more LED's. Once the algorithm improves they will include release a new model with upgraded hardware that can enable more precise light control.
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I'm going to get a 65" LCD for Black Friday primarily for gaming, and I was mostly considering the Samsung Q90 due to the 2.1 HDMI 4 and VRR/ALLM, but this TCL is pretty tempting now. It has ALLM, but I feel like if it had VRR, they'd mention it in the marketing materials.
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Just as I feared, no 75" refresh of the 6 series I'm not sure I can afford the 8, so now I don't know what to do. I just know if I buy a 75" 617 this fall they'll announce the quantum dot version a month later, lol!
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I was ready to buy and then i saw hdmi 2.0 Shame on TCL.
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David Katzmaier with CNET tweeted about this today. I asked specifically if there would be an 85" version of the 8 series. He says "not this year". I was really hoping TCL would jump into the 85" market. Bummer...
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Understood.

He did mention 1000 dimming zones, but that not all potential zones or LEDs were active because the zone algorithm is not ready. So, right now that amount of active LED's per zone is limited because the dimming algorithm is not ready. Is this accurate?
25000 mini LEDs / 1000 = 25 mini leds per zone, that's a 13x12 LED area? need to know the spacing to determine exactly how large each zone will be.

Vincent stated the the technology isn't there yet to control each mini led as an independent zone. When that abitily becomes reality then we will all be

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I've been waiting for this 75" 8 series to come out, but I didn't think it would be so pricey. Damn !
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TCL must also be listening to consumers. No longer are the feet of the stand connected at the ends of the tv. This will help people save money by not having buy a new table or cabinet to hold the tv, if not mounting. I hate the feet on the edges of many current brands.
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I've been waiting for this 75" 8 series to come out, but I didn't think it would be so pricey. Damn !
Like every brand, wait 4 or 5 months after they come out for the big price drops.
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Auto game mode is a feature for sure and latency will be low. I did not ask about eARC, but it is not mentioned in the specs.
According to Vincent, TCL wouldn't commit to eARC at this time.
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Curious what the viewing angle is on it. Same as all other FALD LED TVs? Didnt see/hear it mentioned anywhere.
Vincent quoted TCL as claiming that viewing angles should be slightly better than a typical VA panel due to the mini LED technology being closer to the screen or something to that effect. It was in the part of the video where he mentioned that many people will be happy to hear that TCL is not adopting the Sony/Samsing Xwide trend.
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I was ready to buy and then i saw hdmi 2.0 Shame on TCL.
Didn't think there was anyway it would have HDMI 2.1. That price sounded way to enticing for it to have future proofing bells and whistles. Better chance that next year's has 2.1. Even most of the big boys skipped it this year, so not surprised.

I'd wager that if the 8K MiniLED comes out late this year or early next, it has very bare bones 2.1 implementation. Probably only one port will be 2.1, and it won't have several 2.1 features. Just my guess.

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25000 mini LEDs / 1000 = 25 mini leds per zone, that's a 13x12 LED area? need to know the spacing to determine exactly how large each zone will be.

Vincent stated the the technology isn't ther yet to control each mini led as an independent zone. When that abitily decomes reality then we will all be
Probably more like 5x5 per zone
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Vincent quoted TCL as claiming that viewing angles should be slightly better than a typical VA panel due to the mini LED technology being closer to the screen or something to that effect. It was in the part of the video where he mentioned that many people will be happy to hear that TCL is not adopting the Sony/Samsing Xwide trend.



This quote came from an interview when Vincent directly interviewed the TCL engineer. Look through Vincent's videos and find that interview. The engineer stated that Mini Led will improve viewing angles because of the way the light is dispersed. I remembered that from months ago so I was surprised when someone on this thread stated the viewing angles were typical VA.


Exciting times for televisions and not to steal this Televisions thunder but I feel like the ultimate television will be a combination of this technology with the dual layer LCD panels. It seems there is still slight light leakage on a dual layer LCD and they consume significantly more energy. Having several thousand Dimming zones should significantly reduce both of those issues. I would venture to say that Sony can make one as an ultra premium product that would actually be worth the high asking price. We could basically get a TV 2-3x brighter than oled with similar blacks with no risk of burn in, now that's something that deserves a hefty price tag!
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TCL must also be listening to consumers. No longer are the feet of the stand connected at the ends of the tv. This will help people save money by not having buy a new table or cabinet to hold the tv, if not mounting. I hate the feet on the edges of many current brands.
Only on the 8. The feet on the 6 are at the ends.

I'd like to know what the dimensions of the 55" are. My Vizio-E just slides onto my mantel with a few notecards' width of clearance. The current 6-series misses the mark by 0.1". I'd prefer to not have to mount it, as I don't entirely trust the studs being behind the wall (I think it's just beadboard in front of brick).
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This quote came from an interview when Vincent directly interviewed the TCL engineer. Look through Vincent's videos and find that interview. The engineer stated that Mini Led will improve viewing angles because of the way the light is dispersed. I remembered that from months ago so I was surprised when someone on this thread stated the viewing angles were typical VA.


Exciting times for televisions and not to steal this Televisions thunder but I feel like the ultimate television will be a combination of this technology with the dual layer LCD panels. It seems there is still slight light leakage on a dual layer LCD and they consume significantly more energy. Having several thousand Dimming zones should significantly reduce both of those issues. I would venture to say that Sony can make one as an ultra premium product that would actually be worth the high asking price. We could basically get a TV 2-3x brighter than oled with similar blacks with no risk of burn in, now that's something that deserves a hefty price tag!
He referenced it at the 12:15 mark of today's video.
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The 6 series was a 60Hz panel wasn't it? I don't see anything about the 8 series being a 120hz panel. That kinda kills it for me. That's the least I expected in terms of upgrade.
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