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@imagic any word yet on the sizes and cost of the 8K sets yet? They strongly implied that there will be 8k sets over 75".

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@imagic any word yet on the sizes and cost of the 8K sets yet? They strongly implied that there will be 8k sets over 75".

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Heard that the 65" 8 Series will have a MSRP of $1999.99 and the 75"at $2999.99, so street prices will be at least $200-$300 lower. Suspect 8k will be around the same.
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Heard that the 65" 8 Series will have a MSRP of $1999.99 and the 75"at $2999.99, so street prices will be at least $200-$300 lower. Suspect 8k will be around the same.
I would guess that the 8K is not going to be the same. Expect about $500 more on each...
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I never get the extended warranty and today with sets costing less than $1000 more reasons not to get it. I mean even if the set lasts 3 years its already paid for itself and time to get a newer one and also why the secret is to always get sets costing less than $1000, this way there is no reason to have it repaired which costs as much as a new set.
I agree. My CC gives an extra 2 years, and after 3 years, there's often enough new features to warrant buying a new one. Plus getting warranties serviced can be such a hassle.
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I would guess that the 8K is not going to be the same. Expect about $500 more on each...

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Probably more than that. Since the 8k sets will be their high end ones. They have the mini LEDs. And will have 768 zones for the 65" and 1000 zones for the 75".

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I am still using a 65 inch Samsung f8000 series 1080P TV and i keep waiting for something to catch my eye before i pull the trigger to upgrade . The TCL series 8 might FINALLY be the one my only debate is 65 inch or 75 inch.
My biggest concern is dirty screen effect i watch a ton of sports and mainly hockey. Do i have more of a chance to get dirty screen effect on a 75 inch vs. a 65 inch or is it just plain panel lottery with either ?? I"m not sure if going bigger increases the odds for it or not?

i also am about 11 ft away from the tv but i could move up a few feet to see the better detail


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I never get the extended warranty and today with sets costing less than $1000 more reasons not to get it. I mean even if the set lasts 3 years its already paid for itself and time to get a newer one and also why the secret is to always get sets costing less than $1000, this way there is no reason to have it repaired which costs as much as a new set.
Whether it costs me $500, $1000, or $3000 I always get the extended warranty. My 6 series five year warranty was only a little over $100 from Best buy. But I paid much closer to $1K retail price at the time.

Plus the extended warranty can help with the resale of an item. Since it is transferrable.

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Probably more than that. Since the 8k sets will be their high end ones. They have the mini LEDs. And will have 768 zones for the 65" and 1000 zones for the 75".

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I was going on the low side as that may end up being street price after a couple months. But on the other side of the coin they probably need to stay below what a Samsung Q90R can be had for online..
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It shouldn't be smoothing things out. If the source has noise or gradients, then that it what you should see. Otherwise the picture is being mucked with.

A scaler should not be introducing noise like that into the image. If it is then it's a terrible scaler and not even doing its job properly.

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The upscaler shouldn't smoothen the edges? So it should just take a 1080p image and blow it up by 4? Then it would look like a large 1080p image.. not very good. It doesn't just multiply it by 4.. it analyzes the image and creates its own pixels so that the image looks better than a 'blown up' 1080p image. If the upscaler is inferior, that upscaled *created* image won't look as good as the one created with the better upscaler.

Now, noise, etc.. *might* be different. Don't recall the OP specifically claiming this was a noise issue, though.

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I never get the extended warranty and today with sets costing less than $1000 more reasons not to get it. I mean even if the set lasts 3 years its already paid for itself and time to get a newer one and also why the secret is to always get sets costing less than $1000, this way there is no reason to have it repaired which costs as much as a new set.
Heh, to each his own sir and some of us like sets that cost more than $1000.
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The upscaler shouldn't smoothen the edges? So it should just take a 1080p image and blow it up by 4? Then it would look like a large 1080p image.. not very good. It doesn't just multiply it by 4.. it analyzes the image and creates its own pixels so that the image looks better than a 'blown up' 1080p image. If the upscaler is inferior, that upscaled *created* image won't look as good as the one created with the better upscaler.

Now, noise, etc.. *might* be different. Don't recall the OP specifically claiming this was a noise issue, though.
It should not be introducing noise to the picture. The noise is probably from the source. As is the banding. And if it's getting rid of the noise from the source, then you are losing detail. And it would be losing detail to get rid of the banding from the source as well. Like some of the newer Sony sets do.

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Finally talked to a Best Buy employee that gave a crap today. He had no idea when they will get it though, and thought it was odd that it doesn't even show up on their site yet. He was excited to see the tv himself though which was nice to hear.
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Interesting read on CNET. References "shipping in October" (for the 8-series), but does not give a date.
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STILL nothing in stores? wow.
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@imagic any word yet on the sizes and cost of the 8K sets yet? They strongly implied that there will be 8k sets over 75".

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I think people should pay attention to the quote from TCL about their new Gen 11 panel factory that produces 65 - 130 inch panels in volume:

"He said large-screen TV is also very important to TCL because it has invested heavily in large-format LCD panel production. The company opened its T6 Gen 11 panel fab for mass production at the beginning of 2019. That plant was designed to very efficiently produce 65, 75, 85 and up to 130-inch panels in volume." - Chris Larson, TCL North America senior VP https://hdguru.com/tcl-unveils-1st-m...-qled-lcd-tvs/

Knowing that to actually tell the difference between 4k-8k you have to be half the distance you need to be for 4k, if you were at the the correct distance now and wanted to replace your 4k tv with 8k, you either move half the distance closer or you get a much bigger tv. Since most people aren't going to want to sit 4-5 feet from the screen, realistically 8k tvs need to be pretty big.
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STILL nothing in stores? wow.
yeah i'm ready to get a 6 series right now but Best Buy still doesn't have them in stores.
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Surprised that there are so many that wish to be early adopters of a new TCL model...

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Surprised that there are so many that wish to be early adopters of a new TCL model...
True. FYI mine just got picket up by Pilot, and within an hour I got my refund from Amazon - so fairly painless.

At least in my case I need a new tv as I moved. Now I am torn between 65 inch R625, or going for the 75 inch 8 series (instead of 77" Oled). if only Costco was going to carry these - that 90 day return policy is sweet.

I asked Amazon last night while dealing with my return if they could tell me if any were coming in stock but the rep no longer had access to the inventory system.
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Surprised that there are so many that wish to be early adopters of a new TCL model...
Me too. After reading the issues with audio sync and some bad panels already with this new model, I think I am going to move on from this set. I don't like being the guinea pig.

I am actually thinking of getting last years model. The local Costco has it marked down to $639 now.
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Me too. After reading the issues with audio sync and some bad panels already with this new model, I think I am going to move on from this set. I don't like being the guinea pig.

I am actually thinking of getting last years model. The local Costco has it marked down to $639 now.
$639 for the 65"? Thats a dang good deal. But man anything without qled just isn't on the same level imo color wise.

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$639 for the 65"? Thats a dang good deal. But man anything without qled just isn't on the same level imo color wise.
You still get a wider color gamut from the 2018 6 Series with NBP Photon Technology. Just not as wide as the new QLED sets.
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Me too. After reading the issues with audio sync and some bad panels already with this new model, I think I am going to move on from this set. I don't like being the guinea pig.

I am actually thinking of getting last years model. The local Costco has it marked down to $639 now.
I’m worried about audio - but right now with my old 1080 OLED I use a monoprice switch that takes hdmi input and outputs hdmi to the tv and optical audio out to my Sonos playbar. It would be nice not to have to do ther and for 4K I would have to upgrade my model. It works with my harmony remote so it is a decent solution for those wiith audio problems.
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$639 for the 65"? Thats a dang good deal. But man anything without qled just isn't on the same level imo color wise.
Yes. It was $699 last week, then it was $669 over the weekend and today it was $639.

The panel issues with this TV seemed to have been weeded out from the earlier production run, so I have more confidence in buying this,
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You still get a wider color gamut from the 2018 6 Series with NBP Photon Technology. Just not as wide as the new QLED sets.
Exactly!
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I guess I haven't seen them with any good source material.

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I guess I haven't seen them with any good source material.
You need to be watching something with like UHD with HDr for the wider color gamut

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Well of course, but best buy saves that for the high end tv's and plays their crappy stream on all the rest. So its hard to get a good look.

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I received my 65" 625 today. I was able to power on and put on a white screen (from spears and munsil UHD HDR blue ray disc) and no spots very very minor darkness just in corners that I'm sure I will not see during normal viewing. Nothing making me immediately wanting to return so far. My box was pretty banged up and missing 2 straps but the packing seem to protect well. That's as far as I've gotten will be toying with games and movies tonight.

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The 2019 5 Series just showed up on Best Buys website, hopefully the 6 series will be there shortly
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True. FYI mine just got picket up by Pilot, and within an hour I got my refund from Amazon - so fairly painless.

At least in my case I need a new tv as I moved. Now I am torn between 65 inch R625, or going for the 75 inch 8 series (instead of 77" Oled). if only Costco was going to carry these - that 90 day return policy is sweet.

I asked Amazon last night while dealing with my return if they could tell me if any were coming in stock but the rep no longer had access to the inventory system.
Ordered mine fairly early on, got it last week. Box looked fine, but screen was damaged. Got Amazon to schedule for it to be picked up (sucks, because i have to schedule it again when I'm at home...which for a standard 8-5er is tough) and they couldn't replace because its out of stock. I don't know if its the packaging, the shipping, or the quality of the panels themselves, but there's quite a bit of reviews for damaged panels on Amazon already (relatively speaking of course, since we have no idea how many were shipped that was fine vs shipped that was damaged) but it's not giving me confidence about these panels. They are great deal for the price and tech, but if they already had issues with damaged screens before, what more now that there's some buzz and backlog of inventory? Experience tells me new batches will likely be rushed to production to meet that demand which is never good.

Now I'm undecided what to do. Whether to wait on new batches (can't really beat $800 for a QLED with nearly same tech/features as a Q70, which is priced nearly 2x as the TCL), or just go with one of the Q series (80R likely, as the 90R is more expensive than the LG C9) from Samsung. Picture quality wise, I've really liked the OLEDs, but the burn-in for such expensive TVs scares me (I play MMO and do dungeon raids that goes 2 hours twice a week, so the HUD is a very serious concern for me). For what its worth, I've had a plasma for over a decade now. Never had issues with burn-in until I started using it for this game, so at this point I'm pretty much not for OLED due to that risk.
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