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When is the TCL 625 coming out? CNET says summer what's that mean? Does that mean tomorrow lol
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It appears the largest size in the new 6 series will only be 65". Very stupid !
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It appears the largest size in the new 6 series will only be 65". Very stupid !

My guess is the 75" will be coming in a few months while they clear current stock. The waiting game begins
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I'm going to get a 65" LCD for Black Friday primarily for gaming, and I was mostly considering the Samsung Q90 due to the 2.1 HDMI 4 and VRR/ALLM, but this TCL is pretty tempting now. It has ALLM, but I feel like if it had VRR, they'd mention it in the marketing materials.

Vincent mentioned this in his video. They don’t want to commit on VRR until they are able to test with the new consoles. It’s a good strategy as if the consoles come out but we find current TVs can’t work VRR with them there are going to be a lot of upset folks. Better to play the safe game and wait it out (IMO).


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I've been waiting for this 75" 8 series to come out, but I didn't think it would be so pricey. Damn !


So pricey? This is a TV that has top end features that will start at under 3K. I can understand it being out of budget, but to call it pricey for the features it has is a little extreme. After release I wouldn’t be surprised to see it on sale for under 2500 (easily).
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I have the 6 series from last year and it is great. One thing that is super unfortunate on all TCL's is that it has sub-pixel dithering which creates some annoying green/purple artifacts in some games. Interested to see if they have fixed this now but I kinda doubt it.
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Makes me wonder how bad the 7 series were that made them decide to skip
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Too bad the TCL doesn't have a volume normalization feature built in.
Automatic Volume Leveling was introduced in recent updates to the Roku OS for external devices and for Roku TV's like the TCL. The only caveat with the feature is that the modes are only supported on stereo audio. If you have a soundbar or AVR connected via HDMI-ARC and it recognizes that 5.1 audio is supported then the Volume Mode options are not available.

https://support.roku.com/article/226...eaming-device-
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So pricey? This is a TV that has top end features that will start at under 3K. I can understand it being out of budget, but to call it pricey for the features it has is a little extreme. After release I wouldn’t be surprised to see it on sale for under 2500 (easily).
I also expected it to be slightly less honestly, not a lot. Even at $2500 that means it will be directly competing with the Sony 900 series, which is no slouch. I would 'hope' that the Mini LED will win, but Sony color accuracy, motion, and processing have been top notch for quite some time. It also means the Vizio X Quantum is already cheaper than the expected sale price of the 8 Series. Even the Hisense U9F launched just $500 higher than the TCL launch.

Combine the above and we all already know the 8k 2.1 version is right around the corner, I expected them to make it a bit more of a no brainer purchase. I'm not saying it's over priced or not worth it, just that it's now only a consideration in the hunt, or a 3-6 month teaser/reason to wait, rather than the slam dunk decision I was expecting from them.
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I originally had wanted to get the Vizio PX, but didn't love some of what I was reading in the thread on this site. I then moved on to the TCL 6 series thinking I could get a nice TV while saving some money. My knee jerk reaction now is that if this 8 series comes down in price to around PX levels, this might be everything I had hoped the Vizio was going to be and possibly more. Guess I better start saving my pennies, lol!
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I also expected it to be slightly less honestly, not a lot. Even at $2500 that means it will be directly competing with the Sony 900 series, which is no slouch. I would 'hope' that the Mini LED will win, but Sony color accuracy, motion, and processing have been top notch for quite some time. It also means the Vizio X Quantum is already cheaper than the expected sale price of the 8 Series. Even the Hisense U9F launched just $500 higher than the TCL launch.

Combine the above and we all already know the 8k 2.1 version is right around the corner, I expected them to make it a bit more of a no brainer purchase. I'm not saying it's over priced or not worth it, just that it's now only a consideration in the hunt, or a 3-6 month teaser/reason to wait, rather than the slam dunk decision I was expecting from them.

Imagic said this TV will give OLED some trouble which is incredible! This will crush the 900, hell the TCL 6 series now is pretty close to my eyes.
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Vincent mentioned this in his video. They don’t want to commit on VRR until they are able to test with the new consoles. It’s a good strategy as if the consoles come out but we find current TVs can’t work VRR with them there are going to be a lot of upset folks. Better to play the safe game and wait it out (IMO).
Considering Xbox One X already supports VRR on the 2019 LG OLEDs and both VRR and Freesync 2 on the 2018+ Samsung TVs, that seems like a copout. It either follows the standard and works, or it doesn't.
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Exciting TV! I expect a snowball effect and the big names will be scrambling to enter the MiniLED market.

It's interesting that 25,000 zones is currently physically possible, but the limitation is presumably processing power to handle the zones. If TCL was forward thinking maybe they could find a way to harness HTPC processing power to control zones to mitigate the cost for SoC processing power. Probably just me dreaming though.

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Automatic Volume Leveling was introduced in recent updates to the Roku OS for external devices and for Roku TV's like the TCL. The only caveat with the feature is that the modes are only supported on stereo audio. If you have a soundbar or AVR connected via HDMI-ARC and it recognizes that 5.1 audio is supported then the Volume Mode options are not available.

https://support.roku.com/article/226...eaming-device-
blade005, thanks for the info. I tried to find this on my TCL 65R617 using Roku version 9.10 (Roku said available since 8.2.2) and it's just not there. Plus reading about it, it is so limited probably would not be usable all of the time. Also, I have to wonder why they didn't just put the setting in the settings menus and apply this to every sound that comes out of the TV no matter what. I stream content mostly, and could not find the "advanced sound" in any source. Tried OTA content too, still no "advance sound" in the * menu. The support article also seemed to say I'd only be able to do this with Roku Wireless speakers attached. Why? Anyway, still far too limited even if I could find it.

My take, sound is just a F*****g mess right now on TVs. You either spend a ton of money or a ton of time to get what should be standard for any sound enhancement it seems. And, I've spent both with terrible results. Fingers crossed TCL does better with the 8 series.
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Considering Xbox One X already supports VRR on the 2019 LG OLEDs and both VRR and Freesync 2 on the 2018+ Samsung TVs, that seems like a copout. It either follows the standard and works, or it doesn't.
Not this generation of consoles, the next generation that support 8K.
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Any idea what sizes larger than 75" the 8K will be?

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I also expected it to be slightly less honestly, not a lot. Even at $2500 that means it will be directly competing with the Sony 900 series, which is no slouch. I would 'hope' that the Mini LED will win, but Sony color accuracy, motion, and processing have been top notch for quite some time. It also means the Vizio X Quantum is already cheaper than the expected sale price of the 8 Series. Even the Hisense U9F launched just $500 higher than the TCL launch.

Combine the above and we all already know the 8k 2.1 version is right around the corner, I expected them to make it a bit more of a no brainer purchase. I'm not saying it's over priced or not worth it, just that it's now only a consideration in the hunt, or a 3-6 month teaser/reason to wait, rather than the slam dunk decision I was expecting from them.
You're comparing closeout pricing on an early 2018 model vs a late 2019 model with seemingly ground breaking technology. Who else has a 1000 zone panel on the market? And quantum dots to boot. And no need to deal with Sony's proprietary version of Dolby Vision.

The professional reviews will tell the story. I expect the TCL will have the best contrast ratio on the market (outside of OLED and better than the Samsung Q90/Q9FN). Quality control will be something to keep an eye on as it has never been TCL's strong suit.
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As far as I know, to get a 75"+ TV with HDMI 2.1 etc, you're looking at about double the cost of the 75" TCL. If your deciding factor is HDMI 2.1 but you like everything else about the TCL, just get the TCL now, buy next year's version for (probably) the same cost when HDMI 2.1 might be more useful, move the old TCL somewhere else, and voila: you have two awesome TVs, one with HDMI 2.1, for about the same amount as if you bought an HDMI 2.1 TV now!
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You're comparing closeout pricing on an early 2018 model vs a late 2019 model with seemingly ground breaking technology. Who else has a 1000 zone panel on the market? And quantum dots to boot. And no need to deal with Sony's proprietary version of Dolby Vision.

The professional reviews will tell the story. I expect the TCL will have the best contrast ratio on the market (outside of OLED and better than the Samsung Q90/Q9FN). Quality control will be something to keep an eye on as it has never been TCL's strong suit.
Will the 8 series possibly be available at 55" in the future?
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Very interested to see reviews on the 75" 8 series.


Was there any timing on the availability of the larger 8k TVs? I was hoping to snag something above 80" if I'm going LCD.
Vincent of HDTVTest has a video and he says TVL is waiting on the new 8K gaming consoles to check compatibility and likely in early 2020. Being an avid OLED person, I am interested. We sit head on so viewing angel not an issue. I love my OLED, but some stellar HDR might sway me.

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You're comparing closeout pricing on an early 2018 model vs a late 2019 model with seemingly ground breaking technology. Who else has a 1000 zone panel on the market? And quantum dots to boot. And no need to deal with Sony's proprietary version of Dolby Vision.

The professional reviews will tell the story. I expect the TCL will have the best contrast ratio on the market (outside of OLED and better than the Samsung Q90/Q9FN). Quality control will be something to keep an eye on as it has never been TCL's strong suit.
Like it or not, that's the reality of shopping for TVs. Someone in the market 'right now' only cares about the price 'right now'. What the Sony use to cost 6 months ago means nothing any longer.

I hope the TCL is everything we wanted. This is the TV I've been waiting on for a year. I was hoping for a slam dunk, all I'm saying is, I think they overshot the price a bit. I'm now forced to compare it to alternatives and/or decide to wait for the 8k version, because they priced it at a point that is more muddled than I expected them to.
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HDTVtest mentioned 1000 dimming zones, but did I miss something or are there more functional LED's that are not enabled...
Each zone has 25 micro LEDs. Evidently the processing power and algorithms needed to mange 25000 LEDs individually is not there.

The biggest downside to this TV is Roku platform and the crappy remote. Europe gets Android TV in the X10.

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HDMI 2.1?

So close to 2020 and they're shipping without it?

Least they could do for the spyware it will probably have.
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Like it or not, that's the reality of shopping for TVs. Someone in the market 'right now' only cares about the price 'right now'. What the Sony use to cost 6 months ago means nothing any longer.



I hope the TCL is everything we wanted. This is the TV I've been waiting on for a year. I was hoping for a slam dunk, all I'm saying is, I think they overshot the price a bit. I'm now forced to compare it to alternatives and/or decide to wait for the 8k version, because they priced it at a point that is more muddled than I expected them to.


I get where you’re coming from, but the expectations are unrealistic. If the price is out of your range that’s one thing to be disappointed by, to say they overshot the price is a different ballpark. No one in retail would consider that a “good idea” (to match closeout prices of an older model). No shame in saying that it’s out of your price range and you were hoping for a lower price. That’s a you price issue though, not TCL price issue.
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Too bad the TCL doesn't have a volume normalization feature built in.
Automatic Volume Leveling was introduced in recent updates to the Roku OS for external devices and for Roku TV's like the TCL. The only caveat with the feature is that the modes are only supported on stereo audio. If you have a soundbar or AVR connected via HDMI-ARC and it recognizes that 5.1 audio is supported then the Volume Mode options are not available.

https://support.roku.com/article/226...eaming-device-
Yeah but no need to have the Auto leveling feature if a sound bar or an AV receiver is connected. They should already have an option for that on the sound bar or reciever. Mine does.
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I am upgrading my series 6 to the new R625 since I can still take mine back. I just hope the 625 comes out soon. Quantum Dot is reason enough to upgrade let alone 4 HDMI ports and Dolby Atmos passthrough.
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I got word from TCL on Twitter that the R625 will be available on August 25th. Yes I am upgrading to the Quantum Dot no doubt. I just hope the QC hold up and it's not like last year.
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Is there any information or guesstimates about expected peak brightness of the 8-series?

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I currently have a 5 series for the bedroom and it's a great set for that. This seems to be a carry over or VERY mi or improvement. Same with the 6 series. The 8 series is a bit of a let down IMO without having a native 120hz refresh rate. I'd be curious to see it vs a Vizio PQX.
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I currently have a 5 series for the bedroom and it's a great set for that. This seems to be a carry over or VERY mi or improvement. Same with the 6 series. The 8 series is a bit of a let down IMO without having a native 120hz refresh rate. I'd be curious to see it vs a Vizio PQX.
Hdtvtest said in the comments of its YouTube video that the 8 series is 120 hz. Did I misread?
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Each zone has 25 micro LEDs. Evidently the processing power and algorithms needed to mange 25000 LEDs individually is not there.

The biggest downside to this TV is Roku platform and the crappy remote. Europe gets Android TV in the X10.
I consider the Roku platform to be a big plus vs. Android TV. I like the intuitive simplicity of the Roku platform, and I like the remote as well.

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