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before 2015-2016 we had to spend thousands of dollars to get comparable image quality. A good 65" tv, sound bar, extended warranty, external roku device, was close to $6000. Now we can get all that for $1000, or thereabouts.
What other products on the market today cost 600% less and offer comparable quality, than they did in 2015?

I agree but that has no relevance to the now. The reason last years 6 series was so popular was because of the performance to price ratio. They are now entering the premium segment and in my opinion they need a standout product or a significantly cheaper product to really compete. Keep in mind this is their first premium product.


I feel as most in this forum would chose the best product at a comparable price and the general public would choose brand recognition unless the product really stands out.
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Vincent Teoh's review was mostly positive. The biggest thing that I take away from the 8 Series is that it's a great start, and that with improvements, they will have something special in later iterations. First offerings are a dicey proposition. Hopefully they make the updates to improve this model as much as they can via software support, and more (just as?) importantly, make big strides with the 2020 version. Hopefully we see more people enter the Mini LED mkt next year, as well.

Basically what I expected since the TV was announced.
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I am curious...if the new 6 series is using quantum dot technology, why isn't this being hyped more? I would think this would be a nice step up from last years models, but I haven't heard it mentioned that often. I would imagine TCL would market the heck out of this feature. Grant it, I haven't watched any of the youtube vids out there yet, but it seems like this would be a "gimme" for a marketing team.

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Well, the 625 scored quite a bit higher in HDR categories over the 615. I assume that is due to it being QLED.


Taking a look at BB page for the 625 and I do see Quantum dot being touted in the description and features. But TBH, how many average Joe's know what QLED is and that there is a difference in LCD panels? I'm guessing not many.
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Well, the 625 scored quite a bit higher in HDR categories over the 615. I assume that is due to it being QLED.


Taking a look at BB page for the 625 and I do see Quantum dot being touted in the description and features. But TBH, how many average Joe's know what QLED is and that there is a difference in LCD panels? I'm guessing not many.
Yeah, it's not going to mean much to the average person, but it's a nice buzzword to dazzle people with. I just find it curious that it's not being played up more. "Hey look at our new TV that now has the same technology that the other brand has. More vivid colors yadda yadda yadda... at a more competitive price..."

I suppose TCL relies on word of mouth more than anything for advertising and there's nothing wrong with that.

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I agree but that has no relevance to the now. The reason last years 6 series was so popular was because of the performance to price ratio. They are now entering the premium segment and in my opinion they need a standout product or a significantly cheaper product to really compete. Keep in mind this is their first premium product.

I feel as most in this forum would chose the best product at a comparable price and the general public would choose brand recognition unless the product really stands out.
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I venture to say, a premium product these days lasts about half, if that, of yesteryear's obsolete premium product.

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I would say they are very similarly priced with the real world pricing of the Q90r. My point is if I was making the decision I would go with the TCL but how will most of the public respond? If they see prices that high a lot will just pick up a Samsung thinking its better for a little more.
1) You cannot compare street prices with MSRP.

2) Street prices of the Q90R still run $500-$600 more than the MSRP of the TCL 8 series.

3) It is a near certainty that the street price of the TCL 8 series will drop a fair amount below MSRP at some point. Look at what the 75" TCL 615/617 is going for now, for example.

As an aside, Samsung was not always seen as a top-tier TV brand. In fact, this is a recent development for Samsung just in the last 10-12 years or so. Same thing for LG.

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before 2015-2016 we had to spend thousands of dollars to get comparable image quality. A good 65" tv, sound bar, extended warranty, external roku device, was close to $6000. Now we can get all that for $1000, or thereabouts.
What other products on the market today cost 600% less and offer comparable quality, than they did in 2015?
$6000? The best sets in 2012 and 2013 were Samsung and Panasonic plasma's. The very last Panasonic plasma sold for $1900 around 2013. Extended Costco 5 year warranty was $99. The Amazon Fire TV was under $100 for their best 2GB ram box.
I agree with you, for $799, the 6 series TCL is a great deal. I have a $315 55S405 that was mind blowing cheap 2 years ago and still looks great. The $899 65R615 I bout and set up for my inlaws was an even better deal for such a large screen. Both sets have very good panels.
My only gripe with the two TCL sets is that when it comes to sports, I still prefer watching on our 65VT60 plasma for motion. It's in an average lit room, so overcoming glare is not an issue. It's no OLED, but motion is perfect, as is the panel and colors. I just wish OLED and LCD could mimic plasma's motion handling. The VT needs retired to the bedroom. And OLED is creeping down quickly this year.

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I was really hoping Vincent's review of the 8 series was going to make me feel like I should upgrade from my 65 inch 6 series from this past year.

I am hoping like others that they fix the things he pointed out because overall the 8 series sounded like an amazingly affordable television.

The way he spoke about it just didnt give me the feeling like it would be a huge upgrade over what i feel like I got with the 6 series TCL. Not too mention i got it on sale too so it was under 700 bucks.

Fingers crossed they make the changes and he does a followup review. I had high hopes of making an upgrade in my little media room and then moving my 615 into the living room and the P series into my bedroom.
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Potential guinea pigs, unite and just say no. On-paper promises. Electronics industry asking for too much faith, holding up their end of the bargain with a cheesy, toothless 1-year warranty.

I venture to say, a premium product these days lasts about half, if that, of yesteryear's obsolete premium product.

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I was really hoping Vincent's review of the 8 series was going to make me feel like I should upgrade from my 65 inch 6 series from this past year.

I am hoping like others that they fix the things he pointed out because overall the 8 series sounded like an amazingly affordable television.

The way he spoke about it just didnt give me the feeling like it would be a huge upgrade over what i feel like I got with the 6 series TCL. Not too mention i got it on sale too so it was under 700 bucks.

Fingers crossed they make the changes and he does a followup review. I had high hopes of making an upgrade in my little media room and then moving my 615 into the living room and the P series into my bedroom.
You bring up an excellent point and one that bears reflecting: we're at the point of diminishing returns moving forward. If you are expecting a drastic PQ jump between the 6 Series and a $3,000 flagship, you will be sorely disappointed. Yes, TVs like the Q90R will have more gaming functions and 120Hz panel, but if you're just watching some 4K movies off Netflix in the dark, you will not see $2,000 worth of improvement. It's one thing to go from 65" to 85" for an extra $2,000, that's obvious and enjoyable but for the same size TV? In 2016 the difference between $3,000 OLED and a $700 LCD TV was a chasm. For me the next big jump would be 4,000 Nits to justify 12 bit rec.2020 color space - this is the $2,000 premium. And yet, all we're getting for an extra $2,000 is more gaming features.
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I was also disappointed after reading the very thorough review of the TCL 8-Series 75 inches model.

With over 25.000 mini LEDs and 900 zones in a 30x30 arrangement i was expecting stellar, one-of-a-kind minimum black level but while its measured amount of 0.001 nits with FALD engaged on "high" is certainly excellent, that amount is matched (and even slightly bested according to a review i read of another set) by myriad other LCD sets.
Perhaps foolishly i was expecting an amount at least as low as 0.0005 nits or even lower, but considering all the unique technology used shouldn't we expect it to be so ?

That figure plus its poor performance during low-level detail scenes at near black as well as its EOTF function curve and the fact that by using FALD leads to dimmer and dimmer brightness highlights the higher the amount of FALD used, gave me pause.

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Yes, there are FALD sets out there that measure total black on a checkerboard pattern.

That's not what's important, what's important is do the LED's turn totally OFF in the black areas where no picture is present.

This 8 series achieves that as per Vincent as well as another review posted.

I'd rather take no Backlight bleed into the black bars, than some scenes in certain movies like Revenant where you can see some muddiness in the picture.

Vincent's review of the 8 wasn't a dud, but actually a very positive review in many areas for a set that's introducing new tech to the US Market.

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By some of the standards represented here, no one should ever buy a high end set. It's always diminishing returns. Consumers typically like justify why they already bought the best thing for themselves, which is often true. It then becomes the best thing since sliced bread. That us unless a set is a fail in which case, the company becomes total scammers in the eye of that consumer.
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The 8 series' only apparent faults are with their light control in the eotf curve, dimming response(which is not bad at all) and minor black crush. TCL seems to have setup their processing to mimic Samsung's top set which has been a success both in sales and reviews. It's also something that can easily get sorted in FW updates. It's way early for a fail conclusion on a set I'm sure can be made to look pretty awesome as is and will get some FW updates early on. The 6 series has poorer contrast, typically dirtier screen and vertical banding from the LEDs, poorer motion, less brightness, more blooming plus worse vignetting and gradation. Whether any of these are enough to sway an opinion or if it's faults outweigh those of another set is very individual.
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$6000? The best sets in 2012 and 2013 were Samsung and Panasonic plasma's. The very last Panasonic plasma sold for $1900 around 2013. Extended Costco 5 year warranty was $99. The Amazon Fire TV was under $100 for their best 2GB ram box.
I agree with you, for $799, the 6 series TCL is a great deal. I have a $315 55S405 that was mind blowing cheap 2 years ago and still looks great. The $899 65R615 I bout and set up for my inlaws was an even better deal for such a large screen. Both sets have very good panels.
My only gripe with the two TCL sets is that when it comes to sports, I still prefer watching on our 65VT60 plasma for motion. It's in an average lit room, so overcoming glare is not an issue. It's no OLED, but motion is perfect, as is the panel and colors. I just wish OLED and LCD could mimic plasma's motion handling. The VT needs retired to the bedroom. And OLED is creeping down quickly this year.
No,
in September 2013 I bought a Sony XBR65900A which was one of the first 4k tv's and it also did 3d and simulated 3d. It was over 5 grand. I also bought the Sony soundbar for $1200.
The soundbar is still going strong today with my TCL tv. The Sony TV finally died a horrible death in 2018. The tv's picture started degrading in 2016.
The tcl blows away the Sony on the 4k front. The Sony was better for color accuracy though (especially the reds). The moral of the story is, that I would never ever spend 5k on a TV again.
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in September 2013 I bought a Sony XBR65900A which was one of the first 4k tv's and it also did 3d and simulated 3d. It was over 5 grand. I also bought the Sony soundbar for $1200.
The soundbar is still going strong today with my TCL tv. The Sony TV finally died a horrible death in 2018. The tv's picture started degrading in 2016.
The tcl blows away the Sony on the 4k front. The Sony was better for color accuracy though (especially the reds). The moral of the story is, that I would never ever spend 5k on a TV again.
Sorry 4 off-topic,but,aside from OLED,Samsung f8500 still the one to beat.
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before 2015-2016 we had to spend thousands of dollars to get comparable image quality. A good 65" tv, sound bar, extended warranty, external roku device, was close to $6000. Now we can get all that for $1000, or thereabouts.
What other products on the market today cost 600% less and offer comparable quality, than they did in 2015?
That's not how percentages work...
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FOMO has his final review up of the 6 Series vs the Hisense H9F.. There are also a few comparisons to the Q90R...
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I was really hoping Vincent's review of the 8 series was going to make me feel like I should upgrade from my 65 inch 6 series from this past year.

I am hoping like others that they fix the things he pointed out because overall the 8 series sounded like an amazingly affordable television.

The way he spoke about it just didnt give me the feeling like it would be a huge upgrade over what i feel like I got with the 6 series TCL. Not too mention i got it on sale too so it was under 700 bucks.

Fingers crossed they make the changes and he does a followup review. I had high hopes of making an upgrade in my little media room and then moving my 615 into the living room and the P series into my bedroom.
It is a first gen Mini LED. I think the potential is there. Wait for 2nd gen, and many of these issues will be fixed. The local dimming zones will definitely increase. I won't hold my breath if TCL will fix these issues on a FW update though. The 75" needs to be at the $2k street price, and 65" to $1300 to make any sense.
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It is a first gen Mini LED. I think the potential is there. Wait for 2nd gen, and many of these issues will be fixed. The local dimming zones will definitely increase. I won't hold my breath if TCL will fix these issues on a FW update though. The 75" needs to be at the $2k street price, and 65" to $1300 to make any sense.


What issues? All I’ve seen is glaring reviews.


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Vincent's review mentioned the issues that he wanted TCL to fix. Also the 900 local dimming zones is disappointing considered there are over 20k mini LEDs. The first gen definitely does not reach the potential of mini LEDs.
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Vincent's review mentioned the issues that he wanted TCL to fix. Also the 900 local dimming zones is disappointing considered there are over 20k mini LEDs. The first gen definitely does not reach the potential of mini LEDs.

Who is Vincent?

Other reviews say the black levels are a shade close to OLED and it’s color accuracy is right up there as well. Not sure how this fellas’s review is a deal breaker to compared to the rest of the competition.


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Other reviews say the black levels are a shade close to OLED and it’s color accuracy is right up there as well. Not sure how this fellas’s review is a deal breaker to compared to the rest of the competition.


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Oh yeah I saw that. Tough to watch. And this guy doesn’t pay much attention to motion handling in my opinion


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his h9f is defective though. i dont know why he didnt just wait until he got a replacement before doing that comparison.
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his h9f is defective though. I dont know why he didnt just wait until he got a replacement before doing that comparison.
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