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The new TCL will be released by Sept 15th. There is a football sweepstakes TCL is running for chance to win the new 6 series. Check it out.

I saw, but there's nothing about a release date prior to, or on September 15th. I'd hope so,but I highly doubt it. Still hoping for the first week in October at the latest!
Of course there is no release date announced. I dont know why TV manufactures can't give consumers an exact release date or of not exact date then say the week of ? It's so stupid. But it will before October. That's a definate is what TCL told me on Twitter.
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I’m guessing 15000 LEDs/768 zones is the 65” while the 25000 LEDs/1000 zones is the 75”
Actually, the 75" looks closer to ~900 zones based on the analysis I posted in the OLED forum. There are some screenshots attached in that post where you can easily count the number of leds per zone.

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Interesting demonstration that clearly shows they group the mini-leds at 7 across and 4 down to form each rectangular zone.
(~25,000 total mini-led) / (28 mini-led per zone) = about 892 individually addressable rectangular zones.

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Of course there is no release date announced. I dont know why TV manufactures can't give consumers an exact release date or of not exact date then say the week of ? It's so stupid. But it will before October. That's a definate is what TCL told me on Twitter.
From my experience as a retail business owner (not AV), exact release dates can't be given on imported products because the products have to pass through customs and customs is unreliable because they are understaffed and often run into backups at the ports of entry. We never gave exact dates to our customers about when an imported product would be available because we couldn't get firm dates on when the product would clear customs.
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Actually, the 75" looks closer to ~900 zones based on the analysis I posted in the OLED forum. There are some screenshots attached in that post where you can easily count the number of leds per zone.
This looks really solid. It's hard to imagine a scenario where what was shown in that video was using any more than 892 zones.

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Actually, the 75" looks closer to ~900 zones based on the analysis I posted in the OLED forum. There are some screenshots attached in that post where you can easily count the number of leds per zone.
Ah good catch. I skimmed through their IFA presentation, and they actually say it has 900 dimming zones at 1200 nits of brightness.
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Of course there is no release date announced. I dont know why TV manufactures can't give consumers an exact release date or of not exact date then say the week of ? It's so stupid. But it will before October. That's a definate is what TCL told me on Twitter.
From my experience as a retail business owner (not AV), exact release dates can't be given on imported products because the products have to pass through customs and customs is unreliable because they are understaffed and often run into backups at the ports of entry. We never gave exact dates to our customers about when an imported product would be available because we couldn't get firm dates on when the product would clear customs.
Yes I am in the business of having good shipped from China so I know all about customs. Come on it doesnt take customs that long. I know maybe not an exact date but they should be alittle more specific then end of summer. Lol
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Actually, the 75" looks closer to ~900 zones based on the analysis I posted in the OLED forum. There are some screenshots attached in that post where you can easily count the number of leds per zone.
Except the TCL chart that Vincent had up on his video (1:23 mark) said more than 25k mini LEDs. I agree the video with the fish makes it look like 4x7 or 28 LEDs per zone, it is not clear how much greater than 25k the number of mini LEDs are.


Edit I see now they announced 900 zones at the IFA conference posted above.

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The premier model is a 75-inch 8K Mini LED TV. Its backlight is driven by 25,200 high-performance LEDs, delivering superior brightness of up to 1200 nits. It features 900 local dimming zones.

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The new TCL will be released by Sept 15th. There is a football sweepstakes TCL is running for chance to win the new 6 series. Check it out.
There were only about 4300 entries for Week 1. Here's hoping my Lamar Jackson pick was the only one in the books!
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I am about to get a new budget tv, 55inch.
I am torn in between the Hisense 55H9F and potentially the new TCL 6 2019. In past, the Hisense was in general better rated than the 2018 TCL.
Any suggestion or input. I know the TCL is not out yet, so little to compare.

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I am about to get a new budget tv, 55inch.
I am torn in between the Hisense 55H9F and potentially the new TCL 6 2019. In past, the Hisense was in general better rated than the 2018 TCL.
Any suggestion or input. I know the TCL is not out yet, so little to compare.
Depends on what your are gonna use it for. I had the Hisense and it looked terrible in game mode so that was a return for me. As for movie watching it was really solid.

The TCL 6 from last year is a beast for gaming (minus and couple of things) so I fully expect the new 6 series to be at least comparable.
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There were only about 4300 entries for Week 1. Here's hoping my Lamar Jackson pick was the only one in the books!
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Depends on what your are gonna use it for. I had the Hisense and it looked terrible in game mode so that was a return for me. As for movie watching it was really solid.

The TCL 6 from last year is a beast for gaming (minus and couple of things) so I fully expect the new 6 series to be at least comparable.
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Depends on what your are gonna use it for. I had the Hisense and it looked terrible in game mode so that was a return for me. As for movie watching it was really solid.

The TCL 6 from last year is a beast for gaming (minus and couple of things) so I fully expect the new 6 series to be at least comparable.
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I would suggest you check the Hisense H9F owners thread to see the verdicts the owners have.

As for movies, I really enjoy my TCL 6 from last year, too. I just recently watched the new Godzilla in 4K HDR in it and just the visuals blew me away on it. Towards the end of the movie I blurted out "I love this tv"... Haha.
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I am about to get a new budget tv, 55inch.
I am torn in between the Hisense 55H9F and potentially the new TCL 6 2019. In past, the Hisense was in general better rated than the 2018 TCL.
Any suggestion or input. I know the TCL is not out yet, so little to compare.

When was a hisense higher rated then a 6 series?
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When was a hisense higher rated then a 6 series?
The Hisense H9F came out recently and is getting great feedback. Rtngs considers it to be better than the TCL 6 (2018 model).
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/hi...omparison_2617

I'm still skeptical of Hisense quality but it seems like they are improving.
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When was a hisense higher rated then a 6 series?
They both received great review, but in direct comparison the Hisense received a slightly better rating, in Rtings and other prof or amateur review.
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It seems like a wash comparing the two. One would have to make a purchase based on singular aspects that were more important for the purchaser. In my case, I'd go with the TCL because it runs significantly cooler and for most APL situations it is brighter. However, perhaps a gamer in a bright room would go for the Hisense because of the response time and better reflectance.

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When was a hisense higher rated then a 6 series?
Rtings says the H9F is the best budget TV right now.

Let me edit that to best under $1000.

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Rtings says the H9F is the best budget TV right now.



Let me edit that to best under $1000.
I strongly encourage you guys to view each TV for yourself. I haven't seen the Hisense and I do enjoy Rtings reviews but it's their personal opinion. You really have to purchase the TV that fits your need.

I for one feel Rtings review of the 6 series is somewhat skewed as it's based it on the set they had which actually had quite a bit of DSE and uniformity issues compared to a real life set. This is why I wish they reviewed the 75 inch 6 series separately. They automatically assume it has same issues. Also the 6 series handles all types of motion input very well where as even the LG OLEDs stuffer over slow planning scenes which looks horrible to me! This is why to me the Sony OLEDs are king because they handle motion like no other along with great color accuracy and everything else. But that's just my opinion though.

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I strongly encourage you guys to view each TV for yourself. I haven't seen the Hisense and I do enjoy Rtings reviews but it's their personal opinion. You really have to purchase the TV that fits your need.

I for one feel Rtings review of the 6 series is somewhat skewed as it's based it on the set they had which actually had quite a bit of DSE and uniformity issues compared to a real life set. This is why I wish they reviewed the 75 inch 6 series separately. They automatically assume it has same issues. Also the 6 series handles all types of motion input very well where as even the LG OLEDs stuffer over slow planning scenes which looks horrible to me! This is why to me the Sony OLEDs are king because they handle motion like no other along with great color accuracy and everything else. But that's just my opinion though.

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The H9F is brand new for 2019 and has QLED.
TCL equivalent would be the new 6 series with QLED. The current TCL is better to compare against the H8F.
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Rtings says the H9F is the best budget TV right now.

Let me edit that to best under $1000.
Rtings seems to not like TCL. I have seen both side by side, and the 6 looks better. Hmmm go figure.
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I strongly encourage you guys to view each TV for yourself. I haven't seen the Hisense and I do enjoy Rtings reviews but it's their personal opinion. You really have to purchase the TV that fits your need.

I for one feel Rtings review of the 6 series is somewhat skewed as it's based it on the set they had which actually had quite a bit of DSE and uniformity issues compared to a real life set. This is why I wish they reviewed the 75 inch 6 series separately. They automatically assume it has same issues. Also the 6 series handles all types of motion input very well where as even the LG OLEDs stuffer over slow planning scenes which looks horrible to me! This is why to me the Sony OLEDs are king because they handle motion like no other along with great color accuracy and everything else. But that's just my opinion though.

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1,000% agree. Everyone raves about the 6 as the budget pick, or around $1,000, but RTing seems indeifferent to it, and I think that has something to do with it.
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The Hisceme received an 8.3 vs the TCL 8.0 in their objective testing. DSE isn't enough for that great of a difference and their test units DSE grades are similar. I suspect those complaining about Ratings recommendation own TCLs.

Lets see, Hiscene has 2.6k better contrast, better dimming, a hair more brightness, better reflection handling, faster panel, less flicker from it's light source, 120hz panel and 120hz BFI while the TCL has 60hz. Sony has shown that 120hz BFI is best for motion on all content.
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The Hisceme received an 8.3 vs the TCL 8.0 in their objective testing. DSE isn't enough for that great of a difference and their test units DSE grades are similar. I suspect those complaining about Ratings recommendation own TCLs.



Lets see, Hiscene has 2.6k better contrast, better dimming, a hair more brightness, better reflection handling, faster panel, less flicker from it's light source, 120hz panel and 120hz BFI while the TCL has 60hz. Sony has shown that 120hz BFI is best for motion on all content.
True...but the Hisense H9F only comes in 65 inches.

And yeah Sonys motion handling is almost perfection. I had to compare it all for myself at my local Magnolia center

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The specs of the 8 series are on the TCL website now. The stand of the 75” is 15” deep. I kind of wish they’d used a different design for it.
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The Hisceme received an 8.3 vs the TCL 8.0 in their objective testing. DSE isn't enough for that great of a difference and their test units DSE grades are similar. I suspect those complaining about Ratings recommendation own TCLs.

Lets see, Hiscene has 2.6k better contrast, better dimming, a hair more brightness, better reflection handling, faster panel, less flicker from it's light source, 120hz panel and 120hz BFI while the TCL has 60hz. Sony has shown that 120hz BFI is best for motion on all content.
You're comparing 2018 TCL with 2019 Hisense. The 2018 H8F was lower rated than the 2018 TCL, so best to wait and compare both current models.
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The Hisceme received an 8.3 vs the TCL 8.0 in their objective testing. DSE isn't enough for that great of a difference and their test units DSE grades are similar. I suspect those complaining about Ratings recommendation own TCLs.

Lets see, Hiscene has 2.6k better contrast, better dimming, a hair more brightness, better reflection handling, faster panel, less flicker from it's light source, 120hz panel and 120hz BFI while the TCL has 60hz. Sony has shown that 120hz BFI is best for motion on all content.
My TCL has way better dimming than the Hisense I tried out, and brightness was not even a contest. The TCL is brighter and does HDR a lot better IMO.

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The Hisceme received an 8.3 vs the TCL 8.0 in their objective testing. DSE isn't enough for that great of a difference and their test units DSE grades are similar. I suspect those complaining about Ratings recommendation own TCLs.

Lets see, Hiscene has 2.6k better contrast, better dimming, a hair more brightness, better reflection handling, faster panel, less flicker from it's light source, 120hz panel and 120hz BFI while the TCL has 60hz. Sony has shown that 120hz BFI is best for motion on all content.

Never owned a TCL, seen both at a friend's and we watched movies/played games on both. As others have mentioned 2018 vs 2019 rating, we should wait for these new TCLs to come out.
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True...but the Hisense H9F only comes in 65 inches.

And yeah Sonys motion handling is almost perfection. I had to compare it all for myself at my local Magnolia center

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Not true, the H9F comes in 55 & 65.

I have no dog in this fight but seeing 2nd tier TV manufactures playing at this level is only good for buyers and surely putting some concern into the big boys of the club. Looking forward to more reviews on the Hisense and the new 6 & 8 series.
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Not true, the H9F comes in 55 & 65.



I have no dog in this fight but seeing 2nd tier TV manufactures playing at this level is only good for buyers and surely putting some concern into the big boys of the club. Looking forward to more reviews on the Hisense and the new 6 & 8 series.


He probably meant there's no 75", or it's limited to only 65".

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