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What I want is a new mini-led 6 series version on the 75" but I didn't see that one listed Seems they're skipping it for now?


There aren’t going to be any mini led 6 series. The mini led is 8 series only.


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Sorry I meant the revamped 6 series in 75". I remember seeing a chart that had release dates for everything but the new 75" 6 series.
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Sorry I meant the revamped 6 series in 75". I remember seeing a chart that had release dates for everything but the new 75" 6 series.
There is no revamped 75" 6 series. Only the 55/65 models are getting Quantum Dots.
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There is no revamped 75" 6 series. Only the 55/65 models are getting Quantum Dots.
That might make sense for a few months delay in production. But it makes no sense long term to have the biggest, most expensive model in the 6 series remain the only one lacking a premium feature like quantum dots.
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That might make sense for a few months delay in production. But it makes no sense long term to have the biggest, most expensive model in the 6 series remain the only one lacking a premium feature like quantum dots.
Agreed, all models are going to continue to improve. It might also have to do with the 55/65 having been on the market for 1.5 years, vs the 75 inch only being available for the last 6 months or so. It wouldn't surprise me if TCL is staggering the availability to drive demand.
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You never know if Best Buy setup the tv properly, including your original comparison vs the Sony 900E. You could always buy it and return it if you're not happy.


True, but I used calibrations I found either here or on RTings (can't remember which) during the setup for each, and upon noticing the shimmer, I tweaked various settings to try and make it go away and couldn't. Either it was a bad panel or it's just something inherent in that TCL model/line. Didn't bother my wife, but definitely bothered me because I knew it would show up elsewhere again.


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The 55" is supposed to have 100 zones and the 65" has 120 zones according to CNET.

Edit: Also, in the OP the article lists the new 2019 5-Series as being edge-lit. That definitely does not seem to be the case. In the photos on TCL's website and from photos taken at the event it's definitely direct-lit like the 4-Series which is step up from last years edge-lit 5-Series.
TCL has been using rear dimming with no FALD for many years... I had a 55" 1080p 240Hz TCL in 2014 that was rear lit with no FALD so it doesn't surprise me they just do that for most of their models still to this day. We only had it for a year as it was the first to go in the 4k conversion, but it was a dang good set!
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I don't think that is accurate information
Samsung may have a occasional corporate spiffs connected to certain items...just like other manufacturers do..to retailers
This also would be at places other than Best Buy as well. They are just throwing promotional dollars at a product for a period of time
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TCL could buy room at Best Buy. Best Buy is definitely not stopping them..

This is a common practice at retail stores..be it A/V , apparel, sporting goods etc etc

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I almost pulled the trigger on the 75R617 several times so I'm glad I waited. Not sure I want to wait on the 8-series to be available and then drop in price a bit so I will probably opt for the new 6-series in 65". I have the 2018 version of the 55" now and love it. Was hoping for the updated version of the 75" in quantum dot but it sounds like they will drag their feet on releasing that one.
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People the new TCL R625 and R627 that will be coming out are 60hz panels not 120hz. I have seen several people state they are 120hz. 120 CMI=60hz. Also the new TCL 6 series R625 and R627 will be available on August 25th. This is per TCL on Twitter. They couldn't tell me the exact date but I asked for a hint and they sent me a picture of a 25 cent piece hint hint. I asked them nice August 25th then and they gave me a thumbs up. I dont know what the hell the damn secret is though. Why can't they just come out and tell us lol
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Will series 8 use 60 or 120Hz panels?
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Will series 8 use 60 or 120Hz panels?
It was already confirmed multiple pages ago that they'll use 120Hz panels:

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Confirming from TCL, 8-Series uses a 120 Hz native panel.
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People the new TCL R625 and R627 that will be coming out are 60hz panels not 120hz. I have seen several people state they are 120hz. 120 CMI=60hz. Also the new TCL 6 series R625 and R627 will be available on August 25th. This is per TCL on Twitter. They couldn't tell me the exact date but I asked for a hint and they sent me a picture of a 25 cent piece hint hint. I asked them nice August 25th then and they gave me a thumbs up. I dont know what the hell the damn secret is though. Why can't they just come out and tell us lol
The 120 Hz references were to the 8 series
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People the new TCL R625 and R627 that will be coming out are 60hz panels not 120hz. I have seen several people state they are 120hz. 120 CMI=60hz. Also the new TCL 6 series R625 and R627 will be available on August 25th. This is per TCL on Twitter. They couldn't tell me the exact date but I asked for a hint and they sent me a picture of a 25 cent piece hint hint. I asked them nice August 25th then and they gave me a thumbs up. I dont know what the hell the damn secret is though. Why can't they just come out and tell us lol
The 120 Hz references were to the 8 series
Yes but did you see me mention the 8 series. Lol The 6 series will be 60hz. But people, you really need to chill with the 120hz, you dont need it. Unless your a high end PC gamer. Sports looks totally fine for me at 60hz. Untill stuff comes out and it becomes mainstream that runs at 120hz which wont be for a few years then thats when you get 120hz panel. Same thing with 2.1 HDMI. You don't need it even when the new consoles come out. 60hz panel is fine. Buying a tv based on a 120hz panel is stupid.
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People the new TCL R625 and R627 that will be coming out are 60hz panels not 120hz. I have seen several people state they are 120hz. 120 CMI=60hz. Also the new TCL 6 series R625 and R627 will be available on August 25th. This is per TCL on Twitter. They couldn't tell me the exact date but I asked for a hint and they sent me a picture of a 25 cent piece hint hint. I asked them nice August 25th then and they gave me a thumbs up. I dont know what the hell the damn secret is though. Why can't they just come out and tell us lol
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Yes but did you see me mention the 8 series. Lol The 6 series will be 60hz. But people, you really need to chill with the 120hz, you dont need it. Unless your a high end PC gamer. Sports looks totally fine for me at 60hz. Untill stuff comes out and it becomes mainstream that runs at 120hz which wont be for a few years then thats when you get 120hz panel. Same thing with 2.1 HDMI. You don't need it even when the new consoles come out. 60hz panel is fine. Buying a tv based on a 120hz panel is stupid.
No you didn't mention the 8 series, but you falsely attributed others statement about 120 Hz to the 6 series (see above in bold). They were talking about the 8 series in 120Hz
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...Also the new TCL 6 series R625 and R627 will be available on August 25th. This is per TCL on Twitter. They couldn't tell me the exact date but I asked for a hint and they sent me a picture of a 25 cent piece hint hint. I asked them nice August 25th then and they gave me a thumbs up. I dont know what the hell the damn secret is though. Why can't they just come out and tell us lol
Legal, always legal. If they required that their retailers like BB stay quiet until the availability date is made public to everybody, then TCL must also stay quiet, otherwise it completely breaches the NDA with all of their retailers.

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Yes but did you see me mention the 8 series. Lol The 6 series will be 60hz. But people, you really need to chill with the 120hz, you dont need it. Unless your a high end PC gamer. Sports looks totally fine for me at 60hz. Untill stuff comes out and it becomes mainstream that runs at 120hz which wont be for a few years then thats when you get 120hz panel. Same thing with 2.1 HDMI. You don't need it even when the new consoles come out. 60hz panel is fine. Buying a tv based on a 120hz panel is stupid.
No, it isn't...it entirely depends on your use case. You already said yourself, "Unless your [sic] a high end PC gamer", so there you go, one really obvious use case already. Additionally, just because sports look fine for you at 60hz doesn't mean other people won't care about 120hz for better motion processing/capabilities.

Me personally, I don't watch sports at all so I do not care about 120hz for that purpose, but I do play PC games and being able to do high refresh rate on the big screen would be a very nice upgrade. I still currently have the 2017 TCL P607 which already does almost everything I want, the only things it lacks are 120hz, quantum dots, and VRR. So for me, a new TV isn't gonna be worth the upgrade unless it can add all or most of those at a similar price point, and 120hz is probably my highest priority of the 3. (I also would prefer to switch to Android TV instead of Roku but that is a whole other discussion)

But really, you shouldn't be calling other people's priorities that are different than yours stupid.
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Yes but did you see me mention the 8 series. Lol The 6 series will be 60hz. But people, you really need to chill with the 120hz, you dont need it. Unless your a high end PC gamer. Sports looks totally fine for me at 60hz. Untill stuff comes out and it becomes mainstream that runs at 120hz which wont be for a few years then thats when you get 120hz panel. Same thing with 2.1 HDMI. You don't need it even when the new consoles come out. 60hz panel is fine. Buying a tv based on a 120hz panel is stupid.
No, it isn't...it entirely depends on your use case. You already said yourself, "Unless your [sic] a high end PC gamer", so there you go, one really obvious use case already. Additionally, just because sports look fine for you at 60hz doesn't mean other people won't care about 120hz for better motion processing/capabilities.

Me personally, I don't watch sports at all so I do not care about 120hz for that purpose, but I do play PC games and being able to do high refresh rate on the big screen would be a very nice upgrade. I still currently have the 2017 TCL P607 which already does almost everything I want, the only things it lacks are 120hz, quantum dots, and VRR. So for me, a new TV isn't gonna be worth the upgrade unless it can add all or most of those at a similar price point, and 120hz is probably my highest priority of the 3. (I also would prefer to switch to Android TV instead of Roku but that is a whole other discussion)

But really, you shouldn't be calling other people's priorities that are different than yours stupid.
I said high end PC games. High end PC gamers are like 15-20% gamers. I have people say no I just want a tv with 120hz. Then I ask way and they say it's the best and I ask why it's the best. Most people see that if someone says 120hz is a must everyone follows. It's only for very high end PC graphics card users. Why do you think TCL still makes 60hz. It cause you dont need it. Would games run better of it was supported certainly I have seen it but for the majority of people who are console and movie watchers you dont need 120hz panels . I never said someone who wants a 120hz is stupid. It stupid if people have no clue what 120hz panel does and just says oh I want 120hz. Someone said oh I am not buying that OLED cause it's not 120hz. I asked why the person said cause it's not smooth so they decided against buying an OLED cause it's not 120hz. SMH

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so it has a 120hz panel but can't receive native 120hz via hdmi, is that correct?

Its easier just to just call it a 60hz panel then.
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I said high end PC games. High end PC gamers are like 15-20% gamers. I have people say no I just want a tv with 120hz. Then I ask way and they say it's the best and I ask why it's the best. Most people see that if someone says 120hz is a must everyone follows. It's only for very high end PC graphics card users. Why do you think TCL still makes 60hz. It cause you dont need it. Would games run better of it was supported certainly I have seen it but for the majority of people who are console and movie watchers you dont need 120hz panels . I never said someone who wants a 120hz is stupid. It stupid if people have no clue what 120hz panel does and just says oh I want 120hz. Someone said oh I am not buying that OLED cause it's not 120hz. I asked why the person said cause it's not smooth so they decided against buying an OLED cause it's not 120hz. SMH
Sure, there are always misinformed people, on both sides of anything like that. Some people mistakenly believe 120hz has no real benefit to anything, and other people mistakenly believe 120hz panels automatically make everything better.

For the record though, a 120hz panel can actually look better for people who are just "movie watchers", who like to turn on motion interpolation, because the TV can literally output twice as many frames as a 60hz TV can. Additionally, 120hz panels can usually more easily prevent judder from 24p sources, since it can just display each frame of 24p content for 5 120hz frames, instead of having to actually lower the refresh rate of the TV like a 60hz TV has to do.

And, also, you really don't have to be playing on a "high end" PC to get high frame rates. Any decent mid-range PC can do 100+ fps if you turn other quality settings down, depending on the game.

I guess I just don't understand why you seem to be getting so upset that other people want something different than you. If 120hz is unnecessary for you, then that's awesome, you have more TV models in more price ranges to choose from based on their other features. But the preferences other people have don't really affect you.
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I said high end PC games. High end PC gamers are like 15-20% gamers. I have people say no I just want a tv with 120hz. Then I ask way and they say it's the best and I ask why it's the best. Most people see that if someone says 120hz is a must everyone follows. It's only for very high end PC graphics card users. Why do you think TCL still makes 60hz. It cause you dont need it. Would games run better of it was supported certainly I have seen it but for the majority of people who are console and movie watchers you dont need 120hz panels . I never said someone who wants a 120hz is stupid. It stupid if people have no clue what 120hz panel does and just says oh I want 120hz. Someone said oh I am not buying that OLED cause it's not 120hz. I asked why the person said cause it's not smooth so they decided against buying an OLED cause it's not 120hz. SMH
Sure, there are always misinformed people, on both sides of anything like that. Some people mistakenly believe 120hz has no real benefit to anything, and other people mistakenly believe 120hz panels automatically make everything better.

For the record though, a 120hz panel can actually look better for people who are just "movie watchers", who like to turn on motion interpolation, because the TV can literally output twice as many frames as a 60hz TV can. Additionally, 120hz panels can usually more easily prevent judder from 24p sources, since it can just display each frame of 24p content for 5 120hz frames, instead of having to actually lower the refresh rate of the TV like a 60hz TV has to do.

And, also, you really don't have to be playing on a "high end" PC to get high frame rates. Any decent mid-range PC can do 100+ fps if you turn other quality settings down, depending on the game.

I guess I just don't understand why you seem to be getting so upset that other people want something different than you. If 120hz is unnecessary for you, then that's awesome, you have more TV models in more price ranges to choose from based on their other features. But the preferences other people have don't really affect you.

Nah I am not mad or angry but it pisses me off that people say oh the OLED ISNT 120hz. It sucks. Please they don't know anything. Ah and yes you do need a high end PC to run at a NATIVE 120HZ. Movies you dont need 120hz as long as BFI is good. I have the TCL 617. I dont see any panning judder when natural cinema is on. Even with the new consoles coming out we will be lucky to get 1080p 120hz and 4k at 60hz gaming. 4k at 120hz wont happen for a few years. I am not saying 120hz panel is bad but ignorant people who argue with you it could be the best tv that's $3k but a 60hz panel and they will say the tv sucks. That's all I am saying lol
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so it has a 120hz panel but can't receive native 120hz via hdmi, is that correct?

Its easier just to just call it a 60hz panel then.

That's the games these tv manufactures play because people who are uneducated about TV's will be thinking that they are getting a 120hz panel. 240=120 and 120=60 usually.
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Being an OLED fan the last 2 years and in love with inky blacks I am intrigued by the new TCL 8 series in a 75 inch of it can do real well with blacks and can really give OLED a run for the money I might get a 75 inch as dropping $6K for 77 OLED is a bit high.

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Being an OLED fan the last 2 years and in love with inky blacks I am intrigued by the new TCL 8 series in a 75 inch of it can do real well with blacks and can really give OLED a run for the money I might get a 75 inch as dropping $6K for 77 OLED is a bit high.
The blacks will be solid, the problem will always be more blooming and clouding compared to OLED. However, the trade off is that in a bright room, this is not too noticeable and it actually helps overcome panel reflections from windows/lamps. So if you are planning to have the 75" in a mixed use well lit room, the TCL 8 will be better suited due to higher panel luminance. OLED in a dark room is really the only way to fully appreciate its strengths.

I have the H9F for console gaming and sports watching in my living room, and the OLED in my cinema dark room.
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The blacks will be solid, the problem will always be more blooming and clouding compared to OLED. However, the trade off is that in a bright room, this is not too noticeable and it actually helps overcome panel reflections from windows/lamps. So if you are planning to have the 75" in a mixed use well lit room, the TCL 8 will be better suited due to higher panel luminance. OLED in a dark room is really the only way to fully appreciate its strengths.

I have the H9F for console gaming and sports watching in my living room, and the OLED in my cinema dark room.
What I have noticed and seen even in some reviews, is the human eye creates a halo effect even on OLAD. If the TCL is on par to the illusion my eye is creating I am fine, but if it is liek my Sony 65X900E then I will stick with OLED. I do love my OLED, but there are days my 65X900E just seems to feel like it has a tad more pop.

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post #207 of 1048 Old 08-22-2019, 06:19 PM
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You can change that in the settings. I have my TCL P605 default to my cable box when powered on.

As far as the remote, I prefer sparse and uncluttered. YMMV, of course.
Learned something new today! Works great on my $300 TCL in guest bedroom.

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post #208 of 1048 Old 08-23-2019, 05:53 AM
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Sure, there are always misinformed people, on both sides of anything like that. Some people mistakenly believe 120hz has no real benefit to anything, and other people mistakenly believe 120hz panels automatically make everything better.

For the record though, a 120hz panel can actually look better for people who are just "movie watchers", who like to turn on motion interpolation, because the TV can literally output twice as many frames as a 60hz TV can. Additionally, 120hz panels can usually more easily prevent judder from 24p sources, since it can just display each frame of 24p content for 5 120hz frames, instead of having to actually lower the refresh rate of the TV like a 60hz TV has to do.

And, also, you really don't have to be playing on a "high end" PC to get high frame rates. Any decent mid-range PC can do 100+ fps if you turn other quality settings down, depending on the game.

I guess I just don't understand why you seem to be getting so upset that other people want something different than you. If 120hz is unnecessary for you, then that's awesome, you have more TV models in more price ranges to choose from based on their other features. But the preferences other people have don't really affect you.
Well, when a 120Hz Vizio can't even remove judder from 60i and 60p sources and a 60Hz TCL can, that proves 120Hz has nothing to do with judder, it has everything to do with a TV detecting 24Hz content and dropping to 48Hz, extra frames of the same thing don't do anything. Now, 120Hz TV's quite often have better general motion, but also look at the flicker ratings between Vizio and TCL and TCL wins that as well.
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Looking forward to the 75" comparison between the Vizio PQX and TCL 8-series. Might have to wait, but I will. I wouldn't be surprised if TCL is delaying the 75" 6-series because the price-pressure makes introducing it north of $1k-1200 is going to leave it collecting dust. The OLED makers should be very worried.
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I don’t care what anyone says. A $3000 flagship tv deserves 120 Hz panel. The TCL 8 series 4K tv will have a 60 Hz panel.

And yes ... 60 Hz panel is a deal breaker for a lot people. Including me.
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