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Epson Debuts LS500 Laser Projection TV at CEDIA 2019

Epson unveiled a new laser projector at CEDIA 2019. So you might be wondering why I posted about it here in the LCD flat panel displays section. Here's why... this UST (ultra short throw) 3-LCD laser projector looks and acts a lot like a TV, including having smart functionality built in. But what makes it really stand out is its ability to output 4000 lumens from a laser light source, along with its use of a very high quality lens that's sharp from edge to edge (I saw this in person). The included screen (available in several sizes) was clearly effective even in the open (and bright) show floor of the Colorado Convention Center.


Simply put, Epson's new LS500 is the first projector I've seen that's affordable enough, bright enough and has a sufficiently high quality lens to make it a viable alternative to a big-screen TV. It looks quite phenomenal projecting onto 100-inch and 120-inch screens, with the added bonus of zero reflections versus flat-panel TVs. It's quite surprising how TV-like this Epson looks.

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Does it use a wheel or 3 separate lasers?

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I'd like to see a photo of the screen with the projector off. Is it black, dark grey, light, what? I'd also like to see a photo of a dark scene in Dark City or a Batman movie.



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I'd like to see a photo of the screen with the projector off. Is it black, dark grey, light, what? I'd also like to see a photo of a dark scene in Dark City or a Batman movie.



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It comes in white or black
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It comes in white or black
I meant the color of the screen.
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Thanks for the video. Here is a screen capture near the end of the video which IMO shows the color of the screen.
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I like the concept a lot, but, it looks like quite a large unit that's placed right where I want my center channel speaker.
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Center channel can go below projector on a shelf. Quality short throw is a much easier pill to swallow than setting up large 4K projector overhead in a living room or even home theater. You immediately avoid wiring issues, long run HDMI issues and costs. Short throw appears to be smart solution to get screens over 90” until large format wallpaper screens become affordable.
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I like the concept a lot, but, it looks like quite a large unit that's placed right where I want my center channel speaker.
I would run into the same issue. And there's no easy workaround.
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Epson unveiled a new laser projector at CEDIA 2019... But what makes it really stand out is its ability to output 4000 lumens from a laser light source..
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That's a little over 1,000 nits. For light controlled rooms, this is very much a reasonable alternative to 77" OLED with the following caveats:
(1) 60Hz vs 120Hz native refresh rates, so serious gamers need not apply
(2) black/gray-scale quality
(3) curious about input lag because it would be good enough for console gaming if under 30ms
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I would run into the same issue. And there's no easy workaround.
For use with center speakers:
(1) Ceiling mount? since other short throw projectors can be ceiling mounted, maybe Epson can address this possibility
(2) Would an acoustically transparent screen option be viable?
(3) Encase the center speaker in an adjustable table cabinet and place the projector on top of the cabinet?

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For use with center speakers:
(1) Ceiling mount? since other short throw projectors can be ceiling mounted, maybe Epson can address this possibility
(2) Would an acoustically transparent screen option be viable?
(3) Encase the center speaker in an adjustable table cabinet and place the projector on top of the cabinet?
Your definition of easy is different than mine.
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Of course it's not going to work for everyone. Nothing does.
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I can see this in many living rooms. Looked last year at the Uber expensive Sony models and the closest one in output was $60k at 5000 lumens. Epson has it for $6k at 4000 lumens! Who wouldn’t want to watch the game or a movie in their family room on this. Don’t know much about latency time but suspect you can also game. It also appears that the HDMI output has eARC type feature to pass through the UHD audio to the SSP. Will be interesting to see some actual reviews of the unit.
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I can see this in many living rooms. Looked last year at the Uber expensive Sony models and the closest one in output was $60k at 5000 lumens. Epson has it for $6k at 4000 lumens! Who wouldn’t want to watch the game or a movie in their family room on this. Don’t know much about latency time but suspect you can also game. It also appears that the HDMI output has eARC type feature to pass through the UHD audio to the SSP. Will be interesting to see some actual reviews of the unit.
I think the negative knee-jerk response is coming from folks who wanted to see a light engine like this shoved into the 6050 or similar. Epson is promoting this for casual use, sports, etc. really no mention of home theater, so I agree, it's not that big a deal to find a good spot to fit it and not being able to find a spot for the center channel won't matter at all to folks who would not buy a center channel speaker to begin with.
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I think the negative knee-jerk response is coming from folks who wanted to see a light engine like this shoved into the 6050 or similar. Epson is promoting this for casual use, sports, etc. really no mention of home theater, so I agree, it's not that big a deal to find a good spot to fit it and not being able to find a spot for the center channel won't matter at all to folks who would not buy a center channel speaker to begin with.
But the specs appear to be good enough for home cinema, no?
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This would be great for me if:

1. Came without the screen
2. Could be mounted inverted on ceiling close to screen
3. Did 3D (the remote seems to have a 3D format button)
4. Had a decently low response time for gaming
5. Had some flexibility like lens shift/zoom

This is just a wish-list for any 4K HDR UST that I would consider buying. Anyone know of a decent one that checks all these?

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Center channel can go below projector on a shelf. Quality short throw is a much easier pill to swallow than setting up large 4K projector overhead in a living room or even home theater. You immediately avoid wiring issues, long run HDMI issues and costs. Short throw appears to be smart solution to get screens over 90” until large format wallpaper screens become affordable.
in many cases i agree, however, i think most of these 'issues' only exist because we treat projection like a 'big tv'.

once i decided that i didn't want anything at the front of the room to distract from the image, i realized that having a projector at the back of the room actually made wiring easier. all the equipment is at the back of the room, i don't have to run any wires to the front except for the speakers.

i do still think units like this are a much easier transition from a flat panel tv. it's basically drag and drop replacement.
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Mark, do you think the good people at Epson might send you one of these to review ?

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I like the concept a lot, but, it looks like quite a large unit that's placed right where I want my center channel speaker.
Put it in front it.
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I read something about "resolution enhancement."

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This unit ticks off a lot of boxes for me -- (1) laser; (2) 3D; (3) bright; (4) handles 4K content and may actually provide a reasonably bright HDR experience; and (5) supposedly has excellent contrast.

I don't care that it's "only" faux 4K -- from my seating distance I can not tell the difference. You can pay five times as much for 4K if you want but why?

For me, it's the contrast and black level along with a bright image that's most important. Once resolution gets over a certain point (1080p) the law of diminishing return kicks in big time.

Everyone wants true 4K (or is it now 8K) but once confronted with the price faux 4K starts to look pretty damn good!
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It's 3D-capable, so that's one big check-mark right there.

Now if the projected screen height can be adjusted vertically to accommodate being placed on a riser above a center channel speaker, and there were a few more screen sizes offered (~90"-100"), that would be almost perfect, and something I could realistically see replacing the flat panel in my living room.
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In the current market there is much greater demand for bright UST projectors to be used as TV replacements in unoptimized rooms with some ambient light than there is for UST projectors with great black levels to be used in traditional dedicated home theater rooms in the dark. So it makes sense that Epson would optimize new UST models for TV replacement use as opposed to dedicated home theater use. Epson has a history of leveraging the lumen efficiency of 3LCD technology to offer a range of bright room light cannons for use in environments where black levels are most compromised. I doubt that we'll see an Epson UST model using their Ultra Black panels anytime soon as market demand just isn't strong enough to merit the investment.
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