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Can someone explain why you wouldn’t buy an LG B8 series over this for the same if not less? I think TCL makes great mid range TVs, but once you hit the same price as an OLED why would you buy this?



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I suspect brightness. I will say this, I have a Sony 65X900E and while not calibrated it is tweak it based on numerous posts and preferences. I also,have a 65 LG C7 and while that is calibrated I will say 99% of the time the OLED wipes the floor with the Sony? For me it is the perfect blacks which make all contrast on most scenes just look more vivid and pop. Sure a scene with low contrast and high brights might look better on the Sony those scenes are just far more rare than scenes that have more varied brightness levels with more darks. Even HDR pops more in same examples on the OLED since the Sony needs to crank up the backlight to hit those brightness peaks at the sacrifice of darks and contrast.

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I bought the 8 series 75 inch. My only question would be if return period starts when it’s delivered. If it does, it should qualify for Best Buy extended return policy which should start on October 28th and you can return until January 12th plus 30 days more if you are an elite member or 45 days if you are an elite plus member. During the return period you can price match once if Best Buy reduces the price.
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If there was only a 4K 55” 65” inch versions with HDMI 2.1 and VRR at 120Hz.
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I bought the 8 series 75 inch.
I'll be following your replies closely then mate as I've been holding out purely for this exact model and size for my living room...the old Sony bravia kdl-52X3100 has been a great tv but time to move on or so the wife keeps nagging me lol.
Mind you I am in Australia so unlikely to see this anytime soon but I've waited this long and TV prices are a joke here as it is!
In my opinion projectors are the next step for the price in Australia at 75" as most are used in a "home theatre" style environment and 75" doesn't cut it for that purpose...
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So finally is a TV being launched which can beat Z9D in all aspects without any compromise. Lets see. But both Mini-LED and Dual-Cell technology being worked on is great and I expect other major brands like SAMSUNG and specially SONY adopt it as soon as possible.

All in all TCL is doing great job by launching consumer level products way ahead of its competition. I hope and wish for it to enjoy sales as it was intended to.

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Can someone explain why you wouldn’t buy an LG B8 series over this for the same if not less? I think TCL makes great mid range TVs, but once you hit the same price as an OLED why would you buy this?
I have a 65" C9 but I'll be looking closely at the 75" 8 series. I'll gladly give up some contrast for the size and performance at TCL's asking price, assuming it's the best FALD yet to hit the market.

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Uh, wth TCL? Best Buy exclusive? Guess I won't be getting an 8 series since I have like $1k in Amazon gift cards ready to put towards a new TV
I think TCL and Best Buy will have a good relationship. I no longer shop at Best Buy so thankfully Sony doesn't have that kind of restriction.
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Can someone explain why you wouldn’t buy an LG B8 series over this for the same if not less? I think TCL makes great mid range TVs, but once you hit the same price as an OLED why would you buy this?



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Burn in happens to OLED.

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So is there no 85 inch model ?

When and if I replace my projector setup that's the lowest I want to go.
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Will definitely be looking out for reviews of this, as well as the Hisense Dual LCD, to see how much of a performance increase these are over the run of the mill FALD. Regardless, will probably be much more interested in the 2020 version of the TCL when they claimed that they may have the control up to 2500-5000 zones. 1000 zones is great, but we've seen similar zone counts in traditional FALD from Sony's Z9D. 5000 would be several magnitudes above anything that's ever been done before. I do recognize that the amount of LEDs in even this first iteration, is way more than we've seen, and should be great for screen uniformity, so that's definitely great also.

TCL said that they will eventually have a TV with 25k zones, but I think that was like 3yrs down the roadmap, if I remember right. A little too far down the road for me.
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So is there no 85 inch model ?

When and if I replace my projector setup that's the lowest I want to go.
Not yet, but there is a plan for one.

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So, it references the amount of mini leds in the 75". What about the 65? I'm assuming it'll still employ mini-leds, just a smaller overall amount?

Have they confirmed whether these are a 60hz or 120hz panel? Assuming the latter.
I believe the 65 is 15000 leds and 768 zones if i remember correctly.. and 120 hz..
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I believe Vincent reported the 8 series will do 1000 nits 100% full screen? Also, Im curious how the 8 series will compare to Sony’s legendary Z9D.
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Uh, wth TCL? Best Buy exclusive? Guess I won't be getting an 8 series since I have like $1k in Amazon gift cards ready to put towards a new TV
Why not just buy a Best Buy gift card with your Amazon gift card? Pretty sure Amazon started allowing that since 2016...
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really liking those prices. When was the last time we got a new technology (mini-LED) without an insane premium price tag?
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get the 75 to under 2k and they have my money.
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I suspect brightness. I will say this, I have a Sony 65X900E and while not calibrated it is tweak it based on numerous posts and preferences. I also,have a 65 LG C7 and while that is calibrated I will say 99% of the time the OLED wipes the floor with the Sony? For me it is the perfect blacks which make all contrast on most scenes just look more vivid and pop. Sure a scene with low contrast and high brights might look better on the Sony those scenes are just far more rare than scenes that have more varied brightness levels with more darks. Even HDR pops more in same examples on the OLED since the Sony needs to crank up the backlight to hit those brightness peaks at the sacrifice of darks and contrast.
You must not watch news, sports, anything shot outside during the day, or any live TV.
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Why not just buy a Best Buy gift card with your Amazon gift card? Pretty sure Amazon started allowing that since 2016...
I swear I checked once before, but maybe that was for a different store. Thanks!
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Can someone explain why you wouldn’t buy an LG B8 series over this for the same if not less?
Higher brightness and imperviousness to burn-in would be my guess.
⇑ Pretty much this! ⇑

I've heard/read that LG has now started addressing burn in. However, in the past people have (allegedly) gotten burn in and essentially be told "Too bad, so sad." by LG. As someone who has had OLED phones get burn it (they were replaced), I would not want to deal with it on a TV.

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My only question would be if return period starts when it’s delivered.
I do a lot of online shopping at Best Buy and the return period has never started on the date I ordered the item.

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I am not quite sure how to read this. Does it mean Best Buy has the launch exclusivity, or distribution exclusivity for the U.S. throughout the 8 series' availability?
Probably launch availability. The other seller equivalents will follow. I think that's how the current 615s were done. Then 617 if my mem's correct.
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Burn in happens to OLED.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/286-l...g-problem.html

that's one reason to avoid it.
Yep. And it's probably going to happen or be noticed just after the warranty period.
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Hopefully there will be enough interest in the 75 inch 8 series that will put even more pressure on LG to lower the 77 inch OLED prices to less than $4000.
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Yep. And it's probably going to happen or be noticed just after the warranty period.
Don't buy all the BI hype. It does occur, but not that widespread. I have a 2015 LG EF9500 OLED and a 2016 LG E6 OLED, both well past their warranties. Both with absolutely zero BI. And I don't baby them.
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Don't buy all the BI hype. It does occur, but not that widespread. I have a 2015 LG EF9500 OLED and a 2016 LG E6 OLED, both well past their warranties. Both with absolutely zero BI. And I don't baby them.
Just curious... is that what you say to the people it has actually happened to?

It seems to me people's experience with burn-in varies wildly. How common it is can only be guessed at through anecdote. Part of that could be because some panels are more susceptible than others. Are rtings.com burn-in tests hype? What makes you say they have no validity? What is clear is it does actually happen, even if it has not happened to you. How common it is... I have no idea and I unless you are an industry insider I'd say you are also stuck guessing.

The point is if someone is concerned about it happening, for whatever reason, then a quantum-dot FALD LCD is going to have some appeal. It's not "hype" it's simply an issue to be considered against other factors.

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I wonder If this set will get a cool display up front or be off in the back corner, on top and not plugged in like the 6 series

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Just curious... is that what you say to the people it has actually happened to?

It seems to me people's experience with burn-in varies wildly. How common it is can only be guessed at through anecdote. Part of that could be because some panels are more susceptible than others. Are rtings.com burn-in tests hype? What makes you say they have no validity? What is clear is it does actually happen, even if it has not happened to you. How common it is... I have no idea and I unless you are an industry insider I'd say you are also stuck guessing.

The point is if someone is concerned about it happening, for whatever reason, then a quantum-dot FALD LCD is going to have some appeal. It's not "hype" it's simply an issue to be considered against other factors.
That is not what I was saying at all. I never said it doesn't occur, I just said it's not as widespread and those threads lead people to believe. The 2018 and 2019 models are better in preventing BI compared to the older models. BTW RTINGS is using 2016 and 2017 models with their long term BI tests, not any of the newer models. I compare the BI threat similar to that of plasma. The same rhetoric occurred when plasma came out. Yes, plasma had BI issues, especially the early versions, but as the technology matured, it really was not much of an issue.
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I've seen it and viewing angles are indeed fairly typical for a FALD, not as good as the latest Samsung QLEDs. I'm sure rtings will quantify it.

IMO the 8-Series has the potential to look better than OLED with some HDR content (but not starfields, OK?) when viewed head on. Even with the lights out. The extra lumens are meaningful and the FALD is super effective at avoiding halos or other artifacts. But OLED will beat it in viewing angles and in some scenes OLED will still achieve greater contrast.

But there's going to be cases where the TCL looks better, like many video games or nature docs or animation or really any movie that's not filmed in the deep shadows and many other cases where the TCL keeps up with OLED with typically challenging scenes (torches, for example) as long as you are not sitting off to the side.

With lights on I'd expect the TCL to look better that OLED (again, on-axis) because of the brightness.
why are people so obsessed with star fields? how many movies do we watch specifically have star fields in them?

I wonder if Best Buys will give TCL the ole stash them in an obscure corner kinda treatment where no one can see them and then as usual prop up LG, Samsung, and Sony up front and center :-l
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Just curious... is that what you say to the people it has actually happened to?

It seems to me people's experience with burn-in varies wildly. How common it is can only be guessed at through anecdote. Part of that could be because some panels are more susceptible than others. Are rtings.com burn-in tests hype? What makes you say they have no validity? What is clear is it does actually happen, even if it has not happened to you. How common it is... I have no idea and I unless you are an industry insider I'd say you are also stuck guessing.

The point is if someone is concerned about it happening, for whatever reason, then a quantum-dot FALD LCD is going to have some appeal. It's not "hype" it's simply an issue to be considered against other factors.
Burn in severity depends on content and can be avoided with a little care but as someone who has been quantifying burn-in at work on several different OLED topologies (getting on to 15 years of OLED life testing and there's always something every year to life test), I can say some measure of burn-in always happens with every tech type and can usually be measured at the 100-150 hour mark of usage even at 20% grey levels. The only OLED tech that managed to be acceptable to my own preferences was the Sony BVM/PVM OLED panels. I did panels with and without Sony's compensation algorithm engaged and with it engaged, one could probably go 10,000 or more hours of normal use and never see IR. ~30fL as your max luminance would be the trade off. Waaaay back in the late 90's we also looked at double stacking LCDs and I can say it's no surprise that Sony Pro (among others) is going to double stacked LCDs to replace OLEDs.

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why are people so obsessed with star fields? how many movies do we watch specifically have star fields in them?
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