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Using subtitles with FALD TV's

Do most TV's with FALD show blooming around subtitles ? I'm considering buying the TCL 75R617 or the Samsung Q6.

I think it was RTings that said it is a common problem with FALD TV's.

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Pretty much, yes. You can mitigate to some extent when you are able to make the subtitle a lighter color or translucent, but it is there.

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It is there on oled too when you watch in dark. It's not so much as blooming but a glow and in oled's case it isn't a technology related flaw but the human vision. Around the edges of bright objects in the dark, the eye can see a small glow cast around them.
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Would it be a deal breaker ? Because we use subtitles all the time due to my wife's hearing loss. The review I saw looked pretty bad.
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Subtitles in HDR can also be blinding on any display. They need to work on fixing that.

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It is there on oled too when you watch in dark. It's not so much as blooming but a glow and in oled's case it isn't a technology related flaw but the human vision. Around the edges of bright objects in the dark, the eye can see a small glow cast around them.

Your post is misleading FALD tvs have blooming in some cases it dips down into the black bars which looks horrible no OLED has this issue so its not the same.
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So what advice do you guys have for someone that uses subtitles a lot ? Should we go with an edge lit TV instead ?
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So what advice do you guys have for someone that uses subtitles a lot ? Should we go with an edge lit TV instead ?
In your situation, I'd just get an OLED. Subtitles will present no blooming issues in regular SDR TV viewing. As mentioned above, in HDR they might get a bit bright, but still no blooming. And at the end of the day, you'll also have a TV with the top PQ.
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So what advice do you guys have for someone that uses subtitles a lot ? Should we go with an edge lit TV instead ?

What is the medium that you are watching shows on? If it lets you change the color, you can make them a light gray (netflix does). The vizio M**8 series don't have any blooming around subtitles. The TCL 625 seems to be better as well but I won't get mine for another week, so I don't speak from personal experience on that one.
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I haven't bought the TV yet. It will probably be the TCL 75R615 or Samsung Q6.

VA_DaveB, the OLED's are way more than I want to spend.

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I've tried the 2018 Sony X900 and Vizio P and these are fald sets. Only used default white subtitles for both and the subtitles look dirty white and when it's near the black borders the blooming is worse. You can move 10-15 degrees off center and the blooming becomes so much worse.

Also tried a TCL 4 series on that same year and subtitles were crisp white and no blooming and many times the TCL 4 produced a far superior image because it has no FALD and the one I got had much better screen uniformity and no dark corners like Sony and Vizio.

Was also somewhat disappointed with brightness.

TCL 4 was said to be ~200 nits
Vizio P and Sony X900F about ~600-900 nits

YET at their brightest, the Sony and Vizio are about almost twice as bright only compared to the TCL 4.

I had an old thread where I can't find anymore but you can probably google it. Nits and brightness perception have diminishing returns. From what I can remember 250 nits vs 1000 nits means 1000 nits is only perceived as twice as bright.

TCL 4 had crappy motion though. Using that for web browsing and not videos was far, far and away far superior to Sony and Vizio but it's more on luck since the TCL I got had far superior uniformity. FALDs seem to have too many weird screen blemishes like dark spots, corners and banding.

I wish you luck.
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Thanks. Now I don't know what to buy. It seems like the better the TV images get, the more problems arise. Very frustrating.
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Thanks. Now I don't know what to buy. It seems like the better the TV images get, the more problems arise. Very frustrating.
Absolutely. At least it is for me.

I wanted a new TV last year coming in from an old LG IPS from like 7 years ago.

Got those sets I mentioned and directly compared them to each other and our older tv and it's quite underwhelming.

Our older tv had a matte display that fights glare like a champ and even though the X900F was supposed to have above average anti glare in 2018, it's still so much worse. New TVs look like they have this mirror finish but I guess that helps with other things. Samsung might soon pass their high end tech that really's a good anti glare but currently only on the Q90R and above afaik.

My eyes is also sensitive to color shift/gamma and learned this hard on VA panels like X900F, Vizio P, TCL 4. Even at 6 feet directly in front of the screen, I notice significant color/gamma shift outside my direct line of sight.

OLED's too expensive for me and also has it's major draw backs.

I'd be happy if they had a 4K matte IPS tv that's slightly brighter than ours. Don't care about local dimming and HDR but screen uniformity is a must. Don't care if it's 4 inches deep if that somehow helps with uniformity as well. AFAIK direct lit might have something to do with uniformity and usually are thicker tvs but IDK. The TCL 4 we had was edge lit with no local dimming and absolutely destroys in terms of uniformity most fald sets that I see. Dark corners and weird lines really is annoying.

I'd still go for a good deal on a set though even if I had all those gripes.

Brand new X950G 65" at $ 750 mid 2020 ? I'm down with that if that ever happens.

Like last year, there's also probably gonna be a $ 1100 55 inch E9 OLED from ebay/google shopping from an official vendor usually beachcam/buydig, this year.

Goodluck.
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For people who use subtitles all the time, what TV would we be better off with ? I saw both in person and like them both, but they are at different stores.

1) TCL 75R617 - FALD

2) Samsung 75" Q6 - Edge lit

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