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Yeah I might actually keep this set. If I leave it on full backlight it looks amazing. Any other setting and it is terrible. I can see what it is capable of. And I do like it. My panel is actually really good also. No stuck pixels and the gray screen is the same from left to right with no discoloration. I guess that's all I can ask for. Now I just need to get Chad B to calibrate it and I am good to go.

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Wound up returning this and got an LG OLED instead. Coming from being a plasma owner for many years, I just can't make my peace with the tradeoffs involved with LCD display tech.

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Wound up returning this and got an LG OLED instead. Coming from being a plasma owner for many years, I just can't make my peace with the tradeoffs involved with LCD display tech.
It's not LCD display tech. The 8-series was a first-gen attempt at something that didn't exist. Was generally all right, but it's not perfected. OLEDs an old tech that hasn't really seen much in the way it works. It's gotten incrementally better over time, but mostly not in the actual picture. There's very little picture quality difference from LG's B8/B9 to CX. There's some better, but not much done different.

OLED has limitations (brightness which can cause burn-in and the actual color-panel RGB-W that impact it's actual ability to be true white), but it's not a bad tech by any means. It definitely puts out saturation. Going forwad though, it's going to have trouble keeping up with non-OLED tech when really significant brightness becomes a part of how source material is produced.
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It's not LCD display tech. The 8-series was a first-gen attempt at something that didn't exist. Was generally all right, but it's not perfected. OLEDs an old tech that hasn't really seen much in the way it works. It's gotten incrementally better over time, but mostly not in the actual picture. There's very little picture quality difference from LG's B8/B9 to CX. There's some better, but not much done different.

OLED has limitations (brightness which can cause burn-in and the actual color-panel RGB-W that impact it's actual ability to be true white), but it's not a bad tech by any means. It definitely puts out saturation. Going forwad though, it's going to have trouble keeping up with non-OLED tech when really significant brightness becomes a part of how source material is produced.
If you're saying the TCL 8-series is not LCD, that's incorrect. It is 100% an LCD TV. It's essentially the same as any FALD TV it just uses smaller (mini) LEDs in the backlight.
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I picked up a 65 inch when they were on sale last month. The picture looks great but I am getting a strange buzz that only occurs when watching 4K content. Anyone else have this issue?
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I picked up a 65 inch when they were on sale last month. The picture looks great but I am getting a strange buzz that only occurs when watching 4K content. Anyone else have this issue?
I don't own an 8 series, but do own several other TCL 4k sets. As you would expect buzzing is not normal. When watching 4K content, what is your source ? Is it from an STB, or BD player, or is from the built in Roku OS ? Also is there an AVR involved in your setup ?
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I picked up a 65 inch when they were on sale last month. The picture looks great but I am getting a strange buzz that only occurs when watching 4K content. Anyone else have this issue?
I don't own an 8 series, but do own several other TCL 4k sets. As you would expect buzzing is not normal. When watching 4K content, what is your source ? Is it from an STB, or BD player, or is from the built in Roku OS ? Also is there an AVR involved in your setup ?[/QUOTE

I experience the noise when watching 4k through the Roku OS or Fire TV stick. No AVR in my setup. Someone on Reddit suggested that it might be coil whine. It seems odd to me that it only occurs with 4k content.
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I don't own an 8 series, but do own several other TCL 4k sets. As you would expect buzzing is not normal. When watching 4K content, what is your source ? Is it from an STB, or BD player, or is from the built in Roku OS ? Also is there an AVR involved in your setup ?[/QUOTE

I experience the noise when watching 4k through the Roku OS or Fire TV stick. No AVR in my setup. Someone on Reddit suggested that it might be coil whine. It seems odd to me that it only occurs with 4k content.
It does sound a bit strange. Most times that I have heard about buzzing issues it turned out to be ground related. Try running an extension cord and plugging in in to another outlet. If that solves it, then it's time to call an electrician and have that outlet looked at. If it does not help then try reaching out to TCL. They seem to be quite responsive.
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I'm still debating about jumping on the great price now. Or waiting to see what their upcoming Vidrian Mini-LED sets look like.
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I have the 8 series and no buzzing.

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I am thinking about jumping for the 75 inch version as well..also worried I might be better off waiting for the new Vizio px or new tcl 8 series....
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I just placed an order for the 75! What are everyone's thoughts on the roku apps...are they good to go, or better to have external device?
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I have the 55R625 connected to an AVR and I do not have any "buzzing" issues when playing 4K UHD discs.

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I am thinking about jumping for the 75 inch version as well..also worried I might be better off waiting for the new Vizio px or new tcl 8 series....
The Q825 dropped around October last year. Is it reasonable to expect the same this year? And then when was the first price reduction? April/May? Or a bit earlier? I don't recall.

Are you prepared to wait another year if you don't want to pay full MSRP?
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If you can wait a long time maybe it'd be worth waiting for the new sets coming out but the sale at Best Buy till the 4th is pretty good so if you don't want to wait it really is a nice looking set that I think most people would be thrilled with.

As far as buzzing watching 4k content I haven't heard it on mine either. You could always contact Best Buy if you're still in the return window if you don't figure it out and they'll probably replace it.
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Yea I may not be willing to pay the full retail price so ide probably have to wait till the prices drop like that for the next models.
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Has anybody tried to watch the new season of Hanna via the onboard app? Mine is not kicking the tv into HDR mode. I have to use the Apple TV for HDR.
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I picked up a 65 inch when they were on sale last month. The picture looks great but I am getting a strange buzz that only occurs when watching 4K content. Anyone else have this issue?
It's not a grounding issue is only on 4k material. It's likely a load issue. Try turning the brightness down or using a hidef dark setting and see if it improves. You'll have your answer. If that's it have someone here use your exact settings and material to see if normal or not and go from there.
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On the fence

Two quick questions guys...

The premise: I'm debating whether or not to pull the trigger on a new 2019 65" 8-series, or wait for the new second-generation (2020) TCL's to come out later this year.

My dilemma...

Is there any chance that a SOFTWARE/FIRMWARE update from TCL could improve the performance of the Mini-Led backlighting issue regarding crushed blacks? (assuming such an adjustment would even affect this particular PQ setting)

Or is this basically a situation where I would just have to 'learn to live with this issue' as long as I would own the television?


Note: I noticed the post where some relief of the issue was achieved through specific PQ settings. I'm asking if there are any other ways where a game-changing difference could be made to the way the Mini-LEDs work.

I just want to know this upfront before making the call.

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Two quick questions guys...

The premise: I'm debating whether or not to pull the trigger on a new 2019 65" 8-series, or wait for the new second-generation (2020) TCL's to come out later this year.

My dilemma...

Is there any chance that a SOFTWARE/FIRMWARE update from TCL could improve the performance of the Mini-Led backlighting issue regarding crushed blacks? (assuming such an adjustment would even affect this particular PQ setting)

Or is this basically a situation where I would just have to 'learn to live with this issue' as long as I would own the television?


Note: I noticed the post where some relief of the issue was achieved through specific PQ settings. I'm asking if there are any other ways where a game-changing difference could be made to the way the Mini-LEDs work.

I just want to know this upfront before making the call.
Changing the gamma setting to 1.8 drastically reduced my black crush. I’d put the 8 Series up against any other LCD as far as contrast and HDR goes. As soon as we get more manufacturers into the mini-LED game we’re going to have some winners on our hands.
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I installed my 75" a couple of days ago,exchanged from the 65" which I loved, this set is phenomenal, nothing can touch the quality for $1799 or double the price as far as I'm concerned.I do use my Roku Ultra not the internal Roku.
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Have you noticed anything better about the 75 inch?
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I just placed an order for the 75! What are everyone's thoughts on the roku apps...are they good to go, or better to have external device?
I will be ordering the 65 inch later today. ( just want to make sure the wife and I are on the same page first) I already own the TCL P series, 6, series and S series. I have always found that the built in Roku app to be solid on all 5 of my TCL tvs. One advantage to the built in app over, say an Ulrta is that the app has DV the Ultra does not. There is even a Dolby Vision app that is not available using an Ultra. I also use the 4k Firestick on each from time to time, but that is only to watch apps not available through Roku. Like Fitzy TV. These days I don't even watch that anymore since they had the rug pulled out from under them.
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Jacob: the larger size is perfect for my room size, I'm 15 feet, picture looks the same.

I forgot to mention in my last post I can purchase any manufacturer's panel at wholesale cost, I'm impressed with what appears to be excellent build quality too.( At least externally) I've been around flat panels since the the 1st 22" @$5000.
Yes you read that right! Probably the best packaging I've ever seen too. I do not work for TCL, in fact I hadn't heard of the brand until I needed a inexpensive panel for my father 15 months ago.
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Does Starz channel stream in 4k HDR? We just subscribed to Starz for their 6 month promotion and downloaded Starz channel on Roku. However all the shows only stream in HD. Can’t someone confirm? Because if this is what it is, I’d rather get my money back.
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Changing the gamma setting to 1.8 drastically reduced my black crush. I’️d put the 8 Series up against any other LCD as far as contrast and HDR goes. As soon as we get more manufacturers into the mini-LED game we’️re going to have some winners on our hands.
I found 1.8 to destroy not only black crush, but also inky blacks. In many shows night scenes no longer have pure black where there is no light source. Got my taste, I switched back to Gamma 2.2 in BRIGHTER-HDR Dark video move to restore only blacks, even if it comes at cost of occasional black crush. In most content there is very little to no black crushing. Yes, if you go to very dark shows like Ozark, you will find black crushing, but that’s just Ozark being too dark for darkness sake, not a TV fault.
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Ok thx. I went ahead and ordered the 75 inch..hopefully I love it and get a good panel.
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Does Starz channel stream in 4k HDR? We just subscribed to Starz for their 6 month promotion and downloaded Starz channel on Roku. However all the shows only stream in HD. Can’t someone confirm? Because if this is what it is, I’d rather get my money back.
They are #9 on this list
https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/4k...ming-services/

Then there is a conflicting article that says they don't have 4k.
https://www.finder.com/internet-tv/s...eaming-service

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I found 1.8 to destroy not only black crush, but also inky blacks. In many shows night scenes no longer have pure black where there is no light source. Got my taste, I switched back to Gamma 2.2 in BRIGHTER-HDR Dark video move to restore only blacks, even if it comes at cost of occasional black crush. In most content there is very little to no black crushing. Yes, if you go to very dark shows like Ozark, you will find black crushing, but that’s just Ozark being too dark for darkness sake, not a TV fault.
That’s interesting. Have gamma on anything but 1.8 makes my tv almost unwatchable. And not just Ozarks. Almost all content is way too dark and I lose tons of dark/shadow detail. And it doesn’t kill my blacks. My 65 inch with 1.8 gamma is the closet to my OLEDs. I still get depth out of this world and the punch from the brightness makes it a joy.
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