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Looking to upgrade from a 60" set. To go 75" or 85"?

For quite a while I wanted upgrade from my old '14 60" Vizio M (1080p). I was thinking my next step would be to go up to a 70" but being the 70" size is almost none existent and they all seem pretty basic. I am now considering 75" sets, but after watching a couple recent reviews and remembering what guys were saying back when I purchased my M is to go as big as you can afford or can accommodate. After doing a little research I started to really like the LG OLED sets. But when you go over 65" the prices start to sky rocket and I dont think 65" is quite big enough for my situation. Long story short I haven't even been looking much into 75" sets since the 85" panels do not seem like a whole lot more money. The TV I had my eye on was the 86" Nano 9 Series offering from LG. But there is also a nice discount from Best Buy on the 85" Samsung Q70. The Sony X900F is also the same price. My question is do any one of these TV's stand out from the other? Or would it be wise to consider a "nicer" TV in a 75" size?
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Never buy an LG LCD. #1 rule of thumb. 77" oleds are very popular and have awesome pictures. So the question becomes do you want to lose picture quality to gain 8" of screen is your choice.
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The TV I had my eye on was the 86" Nano 9 Series offering from LG. But there is also a nice discount from Best Buy on the 85" Samsung Q70. The Sony X900F is also the same price. My question is do any one of these TV's stand out from the other? Or would it be wise to consider a "nicer" TV in a 75" size?
I'm guessing you were looking at the LG 86SM9070PUA, which is an FALD IPS panel TV. LG's FALD implementation doesn't work very well, and that coupled with the low native contrast ratio of an IPS panel will not be very good in darker scenes especially in a dark room. Both the Samsung Q70R (2019 model) and Sony X900F (2018 model) are FALD VA panels with high contrast ratios for deep blacks and both of better working FALD systems.
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Never buy an LG LCD. #1 rule of thumb. 77" oleds are very popular and have awesome pictures. So the question becomes do you want to lose picture quality to gain 8" of screen is your choice.
One is $5000 and the W9 is $10,000. I wont be buying either in the 77" size..

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I'm guessing you were looking at the LG 86SM9070PUA, which is an FALD IPS panel TV. LG's FALD implementation doesn't work very well, and that coupled with the low native contrast ratio of an IPS panel will not be very good in darker scenes especially in a dark room. Both the Samsung Q70R (2019 model) and Sony X900F (2018 model) are FALD VA panels with high contrast ratios for deep blacks and both of better working FALD systems.
Yes the 9070PUA is the one. Thats basically what I was wondering, if the Q70 and the X900F were in a fact a bit nicer. There is the X950G but that is $1000 more then the TV's mentioned..

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One is $5000 and the W9 is $10,000. I wont be buying either in the 77" size..


If you go to the oled section and go to the deals section, you can get them a little cheaper than that if you can shop online and avoid Best Buy, same goes for LCDs if you keep eyes on the deals sections. it comes down to preference for what you want in a picture and viewing environment too. Open Box can also net some gems too. Someone recently scored an 82Q90 open box for $2750 at his local best buy.

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Yes the 9070PUA is the one. Thats basically what I wondering, if the Q70 and the X900F were in a fact a bit nicer. There is the X950G but that is $1000 more then the TV's mentioned.
Both the Samsung Q70R and Sony X900F have better PQ than the LG SM9070.

Regarding the Sony X950G. The larger sizes (75" & 85") of the Sony X950G have the X-Wide angle layer for IPS-like wide off angle viewing. The Samsung Q70R and Sony X900F are standard narrow angle VA panels. To get wide angle viewing from a Samsung, you need to go up to the Q80R or Q90R.
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I'm going from an old 60" Vizio E series to a 75" Sony 950g....it should be delivered tomorrow. I, too, wondered about going to an 85". However at 9" feet away, in a pretty small basement room with lower ceilings, I think the difference will be massive. I'll let you know! Hope I don't regret it. The price diff stepping up to an 85" 950g was $1000 so that's pretty substantial for me.
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I'm going from an old 60" Vizio E series to a 75" Sony 950g....it should be delivered tomorrow. I, too, wondered about going to an 85". However at 9" feet away, in a pretty small basement room with lower ceilings, I think the difference will be massive. I'll let you know! Hope I don't regret it. The price diff stepping up to an 85" 950g was $1000 so that's pretty substantial for me.
Damn Dawg, no consideration on the 85-900f. Go big or go home I always say.

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I'm going from an old 60" Vizio E series to a 75" Sony 950g....it should be delivered tomorrow. I, too, wondered about going to an 85". However at 9" feet away, in a pretty small basement room with lower ceilings, I think the difference will be massive. I'll let you know! Hope I don't regret it. The price diff stepping up to an 85" 950g was $1000 so that's pretty substantial for me.
Damn Dawg, no consideration on the 85-900f. Go big or go home I always say.

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You think I’ll regret it huh?
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You think I’ll regret it huh?

At 9 ft. You'll be fine. Anything less than 4k quality will look absolutely terrible on an 85" from that close, especially if you watch cable TV.

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Looking to upgrade from a 60" set. To go 75" or 85"?

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You think I’ll regret it huh?


Hard to argue against the 85” 900F vs the 75” -insert set here-. The 900F in 85” is a no brainer given the price.

I’d be willing to downgrade my 940E (75”) for a 900F in 85”.

The Samsung 82” Q70 is at a nice price point as well and worth considering.

I push my couch to 7ft on my 75”, then it mysteriously moves itself back to 12ft. Gotta look into that...


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99% of my viewing is cable TV and sports. Xwide would also benefit me so I def wanted to go to the 950g.
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Hard to argue against the 85” 900F vs the 75” -insert set here-. The 900F in 85” is a no brainer given the price.

I’d be willing to downgrade my 940E (75”) for a 900F in 85”.

The Samsung 82” Q70 is at a nice price point as well and worth considering.

I push my couch to 7ft on my 75”, then it mysteriously moves itself back to 12ft. Gotta look into that...


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Thats a major downgrade. With a TV that size, the blooming and bad blacks will be in your face.

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99% of my viewing is cable TV and sports. Xwide would also benefit me so I def wanted to go to the 950g.
I'd stick with the 950g there.
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You think I’ll regret it huh?
Don't matter what I think Dawg, size it up, seeing is believing.

Goin' 85 myself on a 900F, there will be no regrets here...just sayin'.

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Nice thread. A couple of questions...

Has Sony fixed their under-powered menu system in current TV models? I have a 900E that makes me wince any time that menu system is used. It's pretty bad. If the OP is considering Sony, checking out the menus on the showroom floor is time well spent. Might be fine now. Or maybe not.

I vaguely recall reading that 75" is kind of a sweet spot for 4K picture quality, that larger sets tend to drop off pq-wise making 8K look important. Does anyone here have direct experience with, say, 75" vs. 82"/85"? Curious to find out if you agree or think it's totally off base. There probably is a size where things diminish but I have no clue what that magic number would be.

Are there any rumors / press releases about features that are coming in the new year? Given the cost, I'm in wait mode hoping for a couple of features that would help me move on from a 65" set that doesn't look big any more.


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Nice thread. A couple of questions...

Has Sony fixed their under-powered menu system in current TV models? I have a 900E that makes me wince any time that menu system is used. It's pretty bad. If the OP is considering Sony, checking out the menus on the showroom floor is time well spent. Might be fine now. Or maybe not.

I vaguely recall reading that 75" is kind of a sweet spot for 4K picture quality, that larger sets tend to drop off pq-wise making 8K look important. Does anyone here have direct experience with, say, 75" vs. 82"/85"? Curious to find out if you agree or think it's totally off base. There probably is a size where things diminish but I have no clue what that magic number would be.

Are there any rumors / press releases about features that are coming in the new year? Given the cost, I'm in wait mode hoping for a couple of features that would help me move on from a 65" set that doesn't look big any more.
Here’s a nice in depth review of the 85” 900F. I’d definitely go with the 85” 900F over the 75” 950G any day of the week.

https://www.avsforum.com/sony-x900f-...nitely-better/
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Nice thread. A couple of questions...

Has Sony fixed their under-powered menu system in current TV models? I have a 900E that makes me wince any time that menu system is used. It's pretty bad. If the OP is considering Sony, checking out the menus on the showroom floor is time well spent. Might be fine now. Or maybe not.

I vaguely recall reading that 75" is kind of a sweet spot for 4K picture quality, that larger sets tend to drop off pq-wise making 8K look important. Does anyone here have direct experience with, say, 75" vs. 82"/85"? Curious to find out if you agree or think it's totally off base. There probably is a size where things diminish but I have no clue what that magic number would be.

Are there any rumors / press releases about features that are coming in the new year? Given the cost, I'm in wait mode hoping for a couple of features that would help me move on from a 65" set that doesn't look big any more.
The 950G has a faster SoC, X1 Ultimate and is quite snappy. It also just got the Android 9 Pie update. The UI overall is very good including an updated remote. As far as size, bigger is always better. Depends on your seating distance and the space you have available
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Bklynblaze, sjm817,

Thanks for the link and for sharing your insights. Good to hear the menu stuff has improved. Any idea if Sony also fixed the external audio source challenges? Specifically, when my home theater that includes a 900E is powered up, the TV insists on turning on the built-in TV speakers, then it flips over to the home theater rig via ARC. It would be preferable to configure once to use the external gear and never use the built-in speakers, but that's not an option. Even worse, about 10% of the time it refuses to recognize the HT gear and insists on using the TV speakers. This could be related to the under-powered menu system not being timely enough to do the right handshakes. Not sure about the cause but it's definitely annoying.

Regardless, I've always liked the picture on my 900E. It seems like like a good idea to give Sony another look.

I like the point about seating distance and size. That makes a lot of sense. My couch is about 12' from a 65" set which is dictated by the room... and begs for a larger screen.


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Never buy an LG LCD. #1 rule of thumb. 77" oleds are very popular and have awesome pictures. So the question becomes do you want to lose picture quality to gain 8" of screen is your choice.
I've got an LG LCD and I went with the highest end one they sold model year 2017. I love everything about it except the picture. Their LCD picture quality is worlds behind everyone and IPS panels absolutely suck. The interface, speed and build quality of the tv however is top notch. I've got a 75" model and love how much actual metal is in the construction of the tv.

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I'm guessing you were looking at the LG 86SM9070PUA, which is an FALD IPS panel TV. LG's FALD implementation doesn't work very well, and that coupled with the low native contrast ratio of an IPS panel will not be very good in darker scenes especially in a dark room. Both the Samsung Q70R (2019 model) and Sony X900F (2018 model) are FALD VA panels with high contrast ratios for deep blacks and both of better working FALD systems.
To add more to this the Sony and the Samsung are great in PQ. You really dont want the LG unless you're in a room with tons of light all the time and movie watching is something you absolutely dont care about. For my eye i'd say the 900f looks the best.

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Image size vs. overall image quality is always a hot topic because we all have our own personal sweet spot where a smaller, higher quality image trumps a larger, lower quality image and vice versa. This varies from person to person so there's never universal agreement or consensus on where that sweet spot is. No one can really know where their own personal sweet spot is without a lot of trial and error.
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