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CES 2020 less than 2 weeks out-anyone have leaked info or predictions?

All I can find so far is Samsung will be releasing their high end LCDs without a bezel.

My speculation is Vizio's next X series will be micro-LED and hit 4000 nits for the same price as the current model retail. We may see several micro-LEDs on market soon.

Top emission OLED a very distinct possibility this year.

82" and 85" options from TCL, Hisense, and Vizio at the highest end.

5G built into some top end models.
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My speculation is Vizio's next X series will be micro-LED and hit 4000 nits for the same price as the current model retail. We may see several micro-LEDs on market soon.
I'm sure you mean Mini LED. Micro LED is nowhere close to being commercialized for the consumer market.
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Vizio Micro LED OLED will hit the market in 2020.
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1567171106
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Lots of mini-LED I think will be coming out. It'd be nice to see at least one Micro-LED though. Rumors of Samsung having a consumer size Micro-LED will be introduced.
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Samsung acquires industry's first '8K HDMI 2.1' TV certification

This certification is expected to apply HDMI 2.1 certification to new TVs to be released in 2020 next year and to provide consumers with a more realistic and dynamic experience through the expansion of the 8K ecosystem.

http://www.zdnet.co.kr/view/?no=20191225100531
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We will see a lot of Mini-LED's and more 8K's in 2020 but in 2021 we will see smaller consumer 1080p Micro-LED's and other new technologies. I'm more excited about 2021 than 2020!
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We will see a lot of Mini-LED's and more 8K's in 2020 but in 2021 we will see smaller consumer 1080p Micro-LED's and other new technologies. I'm more excited about 2021 than 2020!
I would be very surprised to see a 1080p Micro LED display, in 2021 or at any time in the future. When consumer Micro LED does finally arrive, I expect it will be quite expensive, and there's no way manufacturers will try to sell a 1080p set in the premium market.

On the other hand, a 1080p Micro LED would be well suited for a high performance FALD backlight behind a 4k/8k LCD panel. Next step after Mini LED backlights, maybe.
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I would be very surprised to see a 1080p Micro LED display, in 2021 or at any time in the future. When consumer Micro LED does finally arrive, I expect it will be quite expensive, and there's no way manufacturers will try to sell a 1080p set in the premium market.

On the other hand, a 1080p Micro LED would be well suited for a high performance FALD backlight behind a 4k/8k LCD panel. Next step after Mini LED backlights, maybe.
BOE said they could start making consumer 1080p Micro-LED's by 2021. We might hear more about this at CES 2020. Right now they can not make smaller 4K Micro-LED TV's, they can only make 1080p Micro-LED's.
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BOE said they could start making consumer 1080p Micro-LED's by 2021. We might hear more about this at CES 2020. Right now they can not make smaller 4K Micro-LED TV's, they can only make 1080p Micro-LED's.
Again though, no one is going to launch a new high end TV that's limited to 1080p. The press release for the BOE-Rohinni joint venture from a few days ago talks about "LCD display backlights, direct-emission displays and display-related sensors for high-performance televisions, video walls and other large-format end products," or in other words, mostly things that are not consumer Micro LED TVs. I expect Mini-/Micro LED backlighting and/or video wall product previews, with maybe a tech demonstrator for a true Micro LED TV, at best.
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I looks to me like mini LED models introduction is going very slow. Also it looks like they put not that much zones in it at first.

Just a few days ago MSI introduced the worlds first miniLED laptop, 17 inch with only 240 zones.
https://www.msi.com/news/detail/cc7d...b9419877dfc81f

As stated in the C|NET article Hisense aims to bring a dual layer LCD 65-inch production model to the market "as early as possible" in 2020. They plan to introduce it in the USA next year.
https://www.cnet.com/news/are-dual-l...s-to-find-out/

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Maybe there will be some sets with built in 3.0 atsc turners.
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I just hope that most, if not all, 2020 TVs and monitors will have HDMI 2.1. Then I will finally feel comfortable upgrading.
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I'm just hoping the high-end LCDs will continue to improve and address some of the current shortcomings. I feel like in many ways 2019 was a step backwards for LCDs.
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I'm just hoping the high-end LCDs will continue to improve and address some of the current shortcomings. I feel like in many ways 2019 was a step backwards for LCDs.
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I'm just hoping the high-end LCDs will continue to improve and address some of the current shortcomings. I feel like in many ways 2019 was a step backwards for LCDs.


I wouldn’t say it was a step backwards but IMO they didn’t improve enough. They all should have had HDMI 2.1 and 120hz panels. I bought a 75 inch TCL due to its low cost and performance but wifey just gave me some cash for Christmas for a TV for our other living area. I’m going to be patient until the spring/summer.


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https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1577434086

"Sony's model numbers for 2020 have leaked. Amongst them is the Z8H (ZH8) range in 75 and 85 inches, which could be a more affordable range of 8K TVs. The leak also reveals new A9H (AH9) and A8H (AH8) OLED models."

Meh...
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https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1577434086

"Sony's model numbers for 2020 have leaked. Amongst them is the Z8H (ZH8) range in 75 and 85 inches, which could be a more affordable range of 8K TVs. The leak also reveals new A9H (AH9) and A8H (AH8) OLED models."

Meh...
i see a XBR65X950H !!!
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i see a XBR65X950H !!!
I wonder if they'll discontinue the 900F? Might get some cheap ones if that happens.
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i see a XBR65X950H !!!
There's XH90 series as well. Perhaps we will finally see a proper successor for XF90.
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Can they release a successor to the XE93? It was a successful model, they should build upon it instead of forgetting it.
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If the Z models aren’t mini-LED or dual layered who cares???
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Samsung Electronics is expected to showcase a new micro LED TV at the event, with LG Electronics widely anticipated to introduce another innovative display like the rollable TV unveiled last year.

https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20191229000800320
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Sony says "Future is coming", I hope that means Z9H going Micro LED. Surely, 8k is old news now.

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TCL to Showcase Next Generation Mini-LED Technology at CES 2020


TCL Electronics announced that it will showcase the next generation of Mini-LED technology at CES 2020 in Las Vegas, January 7–10, 2020.


https://www.ledinside.com/news/2019/...iniled_ces2020
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Really happy wit the 75 inch TCL I got over the holiday.

https://www.techradar.com/nz/news/tc...w-mini-led-tvs
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I just hope that most, if not all, 2020 TVs and monitors will have HDMI 2.1. Then I will finally feel comfortable upgrading.
Yeah, I'm pretty happy with the downward price trend of large TVs. My next upgrade needs to be 80+", so the fact 85" and 86" inch good-quality LCDs got below $3000 this year was a fantastic.


So, all I'm waiting on right now is HDMI 2.1 to be standard on all of them. If so, 2020 will be upgrade time. My current TV is 12 years old, so I can wait. No upgraditis here. Still annoyed that 3D was removed as a feature on new TVs. The thing is we all KNOW it will make a comeback now that TVs are getting big enough, bright enough and high resolution enough to make passive 3D an awesome experience.
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Yeah, I'm pretty happy with the downward price trend of large TVs. My next upgrade needs to be 80+", so the fact 85" and 86" inch good-quality LCDs got below $3000 this year was a fantastic.


So, all I'm waiting on right now is HDMI 2.1 to be standard on all of them. If so, 2020 will be upgrade time. My current TV is 12 years old, so I can wait. No upgraditis here. Still annoyed that 3D was removed as a feature on new TVs. The thing is we all KNOW it will make a comeback now that TVs are getting big enough, bright enough and high resolution enough to make passive 3D an awesome experience.
I'm in a similar boat. I've loved my 82" Mitsubishi DLP since 2009 but it will soon be time to upgrade. To be honest, the picture still looks very nice when watching in a dark room. I need at least 75" that can handle reflections well in a bright room, which makes Samsung's Q90 the best bet if it weren't so expensive and didn't lack Dolby Vision. I'm anxiously awaiting CES 2020.

I disagree with you on 3D. I don't think it is an awesome experience and don't see it making any kind of comeback. Time will tell, I guess...
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To be honest the only thing that would matter is a viable dual layer LCD otherwise it will be more of the same. Everything else has pretty much plateaued. I doubt we will see micro-led at an affordable consumer level this year. If we dont see dual layer we will just be showered with uninspiring televisions such as; 1 Billion K display, . .999999 micron thick bezel, HDMI 500 point 0!
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I cant expect anything magical to happen this year. Hopefully just driving prices down and maybe more zones for LCD tvs.
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TCL to Showcase Next Generation Mini-LED Technology at CES 2020


TCL Electronics announced that it will showcase the next generation of Mini-LED technology at CES 2020 in Las Vegas, January 7–10, 2020.


https://www.ledinside.com/news/2019/...iniled_ces2020
I hope they bring Mini-LED to a wider range of sizes. And just bring Local Dimming to their entire lineup to compete with Vizio and Hisense (even though Hisense doesn't offer Local Dimming below 50 inches).
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