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Hopefully, Samsung is using their "no bezel" sets to gather expertise for future more-affordable versions of the "Wall". I'd like to see a matrix of four 4K 48" panels to make a 96" 8K display for something close to the cost of four of today's 48" displays. Or better still, four 65" panels to make a 130" display. I would guess that the electronics to integrate four 4K panels is pretty well the same whatever the size of the individual 4K panels. And, possibly not cost any more than four times the cost of the electronics for a single display. If these no bezel sets get us closer to working out "no seam" panel integration, go for it Samsung!
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It sounds like they still are going to be missing Dolby Vision. We will see if that is indeed the case.

No Dolby Vision and no HDMI 2.1 for 4K.

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I’ll be looking very hard at the Q950TS. Dolby vision is a non issue for me at this point but it must have HDMI 2.1 that’s for sure.


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No Dolby Vision and no HDMI 2.1 for 4K.
What are they even doing? They have great looking sets that lack important features.

Even Vizio has Dolby Vision and HDMI 2.1.
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if both Samsung and Sony 4K sets lack 4x HDMI 2.1 ports in 2020 then they are pretty much forcing me to go for C9 or CX



literally thowing away sales
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Hoping that Samsung adds Dolby Vision is like hoping Apple might sell phones with Android installed. Samsung patented HDR10+, the one and only competitor to Dolby Vision. Why would they ever install a feature that negates their own proprietary format? To make customers happy? That's not how corporations work.
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wheeeere is the Q80T/Q90T info ????
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wheeeere is the Q80T/Q90T info ????
In an article stating that the Q90T&Q950 has reduced local dimming to 96 zone, I do not know if this is true

Also i don't know if it is a good move, or Cheap movement

But they should not make the larger sizes tv go to 96 dimming zone

They state that the energy transfer efficiency of LED lighting has become more efficient, effective and responsive

Which boosted the peak brightness and contrast to 20%

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In an article stating that the Q90T&Q950 has reduced local dimming to 96 zone, I do not know if this is true

Also i don't know if it is a good move, or Cheap movement

But they should not make the larger sizes tv go to 96 dimming zone

They state that the energy transfer efficiency of LED lighting has become more efficient, effective and responsive

Which boosted the peak brightness and contrast to 20%

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.avc...millesime-2020
well some of it sounds great
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Finally, Samsung representatives told us to work on G ‑ Sync compatibility, without specifying its availability. Last precision, QLED Ultra HD 4K / 8K TVs Samsung 2020 offer the simultaneous display of two contents with the MultiView function through two windows on the screen: the first with the signal of a TV channel or a connected source on TV, the second with the screen of a user's smartphone. There are fourteen display possibilities, going from the classic PIP to having two adjacent windows. Of course, as with the Samsung Q800T / Q950T 8K UHD TVs, the HDMI 2.1 standard is required.
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if both Samsung and Sony 4K sets lack 4x HDMI 2.1 ports in 2020 then they are pretty much forcing me to go for C9 or CX



literally thowing away sales
Same, did you notice the news that TCL will push an update which will allow eARC and VRR on it 2019 6 Series

And he is Samsung and Sony like doing nothing.
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In an article stating that the Q90T&Q950 has reduced local dimming to 96 zone, I do not know if this is true

Also i don't know if it is a good move, or Cheap movement

But they should not make the larger sizes tv go to 96 dimming zone

They state that the energy transfer efficiency of LED lighting has become more efficient, effective and responsive

Which boosted the peak brightness and contrast to 20%

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.avc...millesime-2020
well some of it sounds great
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Finally, Samsung representatives told us to work on G ‑ Sync compatibility, without specifying its availability. Last precision, QLED Ultra HD 4K / 8K TVs Samsung 2020 offer the simultaneous display of two contents with the MultiView function through two windows on the screen: the first with the signal of a TV channel or a connected source on TV, the second with the screen of a user's smartphone. There are fourteen display possibilities, going from the classic PIP to having two adjacent windows. Of course, as with the Samsung Q800T / Q950T 8K UHD TVs, the HDMI 2.1 standard is required.
hope its all true
It could be excellent

The number of local dimming may not matter much than the local dimming system itself

LED lighting itself is not as accurate as a laser light

LED lighting may interfere with each other led in the backlight, which hinders high contrast ratio Because the number of local dimming is too much

But if we distribute Efficiently each region to include a domain space Custom A higher contrast ratio can be achieved

In addition, Samsung mentioned enhancing the energy transfer to the LED lighting, and this response will achieve a beautiful return

Better control over all LED lights without interfering with other area led lighting

Banding can improve as well as the peak brightness in Small space of the scene and contrast Ratio

The shadow detail also may be better due to the new distribution local dimming

The requirement that the number of local dimming areas correspond to the size of the TV In large sizes and not just 96 zone

The rest of the task goes to native contrast ratio

I hope I have not been very optimistic
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In an article stating that the Q90T&Q950 has reduced local dimming to 96 zone, I do not know if this is true

Also i don't know if it is a good move, or Cheap movement

But they should not make the larger sizes tv go to 96 dimming zone

They state that the energy transfer efficiency of LED lighting has become more efficient, effective and responsive

Which boosted the peak brightness and contrast to 20%

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.avc...millesime-2020
well some of it sounds great
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Finally, Samsung representatives told us to work on G ‑ Sync compatibility, without specifying its availability. Last precision, QLED Ultra HD 4K / 8K TVs Samsung 2020 offer the simultaneous display of two contents with the MultiView function through two windows on the screen: the first with the signal of a TV channel or a connected source on TV, the second with the screen of a user's smartphone. There are fourteen display possibilities, going from the classic PIP to having two adjacent windows. Of course, as with the Samsung Q800T / Q950T 8K UHD TVs, the HDMI 2.1 standard is required.
hope its all true
Luckily The models in the article are 4k
After checking again
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Hopefully, Samsung is using their "no bezel" sets to gather expertise for future more-affordable versions of the "Wall". I'd like to see a matrix of four 4K 48" panels to make a 96" 8K display for something close to the cost of four of today's 48" displays. Or better still, four 65" panels to make a 130" display. I would guess that the electronics to integrate four 4K panels is pretty well the same whatever the size of the individual 4K panels. And, possibly not cost any more than four times the cost of the electronics for a single display. If these no bezel sets get us closer to working out "no seam" panel integration, go for it Samsung!
The problem with the notion of a more affordable version of the Wall is installation. Check out the Wall owners thread (it's in the $20k+ subforum) and read the posts about the installation process. It's a total bear and may literally not ever be do-able by consumers. Getting the panels aligned just right is both critical and extremely difficult.
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1. there are rumors that Samsung released screens in 2020 with HDMI 2.1
Without eARC ?

2. which Blue Ray 4K will play HDMI 2.1 ?
has anyone seen CES 2020 ?

3. why didn't Samsung bring screens with HDR12+ ?
Or screens with 12 color BIT ?

4. which Samsung format works on its screen 4: 4: 4
RGB or YCBCR ?

5. is the 4K 120FPS HDR Game Mode suitable for movies? Improves movies? and what ? Or why not?
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The problem with the notion of a more affordable version of the Wall is installation. Check out the Wall owners thread (it's in the $20k+ subforum) and read the posts about the installation process. It's a total bear and may literally not ever be do-able by consumers. Getting the panels aligned just right is both critical and extremely difficult.
I'm sure it is. As an engineer, I would be developing a "frame" that the four panels would attach to and it's the frame that gets hung with four different fiber optic/power cables for the four panels coming from a single one connect box. My wish is that Samsung is figuring out how to do it with these zero edge TV's. I'll go over and look at the rich guys forum to see how the Wall is put together. I remember a thread on that forum a number of years ago where a poll was taken on the "employment" of the denziens of the over $20K forum. Much to my surprise, the majority of the responders were not the Lawyers and Medical types I expected. It was people that had restaurants and multiple franchises of fast food joints. I know nothing about the Wall and am happy to know that it's being covered on a forum. Thanks for giving me a heads up. I'll be interested to see how many of these panels get aligned to make a Wall. I bet it's a lot more than four.

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Does the upcoming 75" Samsung micro-LED 4K set slated to be available for sale on the 3rd quarter (according to the manufacturer) use the same modular design as the larger models or does it consist of a single sheet of micro-LEDs, just as all current LCD/OLED panels use a single sheet ?

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If this is true, how much more could HDMI 2.;1 cost, 5 bucks a TV? Well have to wait and see, remember everything at CES is a prototype......
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Hoping that Samsung adds Dolby Vision is like hoping Apple might sell phones with Android installed. Samsung patented HDR10+, the one and only competitor to Dolby Vision. Why would they ever install a feature that negates their own proprietary format? To make customers happy? That's not how corporations work.
To support the HDR version that Apple TV+ and Netflix have decided is superior by their support of it.
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To support the HDR version that Apple TV+ and Netflix have decided is superior by their support of it.
They haven’t cared yet. They won’t care in the future. This is about ownership and competition, not picture quality. Samsung isn’t licensing HDR10+; they own it. Samsung wants Dolby Vision to die and have every TV use only HDR10+. You may as well hold out hope for a Ford Camaro.
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Samsung wants Dolby Vision to die and have every TV use only HDR10+.

Not going to happen...

And every other TV manufacturer uses Dolby Vision.

Samsung (being pigheaded or not) is loosing sales because of this.

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Not going to happen...

And every other TV manufacturer uses Dolby Vision.

Samsung (being pigheaded or not) is loosing sales because of this.

Stockholders don't like pigheaded companies losing money.


Contrary to popular myths on AVS, Samsung is actually not losing sales by not having Dolby Vision. Their sales numbers are holding steady. The average Joe does not only not care about Dolby Vision, they don't know what it even is. Samsung sold more Qled tvs than oled tvs combined worldwide for 2019. It was like 6.5 million to 5 million.

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Not going to happen...

And every other TV manufacturer uses Dolby Vision.

Samsung (being pigheaded or not) is loosing sales because of this.

Stockholders don't like pigheaded companies losing money.
Oh, I'm not arguing that DV on Samsung shouldn't happen. I truly wish it would -- I'd love DV on my Q9FN! I'm just guessing it won't.

The other factor beyond corporate pigheadedness is that as TVs get brighter and AI gets smarter at processing metadata, perhaps Dolby Vision may become less necessary? I have no idea. I'm sure more technical minds have better insight into that area.
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The other factor beyond corporate pigheadedness is that as TVs get brighter and AI gets smarter at processing metadata, perhaps Dolby Vision may become less necessary?

I've been saying this for a long time now. As it currently stands the biggest bang for your buck with Dolby Vision comes on lower brightness displays. It would certainly be nice if Samsung would stop fighting this and get on the same page as every other major manufacturer, but it's pretty easy to make the argument that on the super high luminance displays that Samsung targets at the higher end of their lineup the impact that Dolby Vision currently has is fairly negligible. I expect that will change eventually as display tech becomes more sophisticated but for now it is what it is.
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Looks like the above article may be correct, Samsung is dropping the Zone count on the Q90T to 96, will be reserving the higher zone count for the 8k models. Good news is the 8K models will launch at substantially less than they did in 2019.

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Looks like the above article may be correct, Samsung is dropping the Zone count on the Q90T to 96, will be reserving the higher zone count for the 8k models. Good news is the 8K models will launch at substantially less than they did in 2019.

Thats not good. Very few (if any) even wants a 8k tv, its something they are forcing on us. Not to mention the drawbacks of having a 8k vs a 4k tv, you have to do even more upscaling.
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The lack of HDMI 2.1 isn't a deal breaker for me for a 4K TV. 4K sets began selling in 2012/2013 and 8 years later we still have minimal 4K content that's worth watching. I'm not going to worrying about not having the proper bandwidth to view 8K content (the biggest benefit of HDMI 2.1). If your a gamer you may want to wait for HDMI 2.1 as the next generation consoles should offer HDMI 2.1 which would allow 4K games to run at 120 FPS compared to 60 FPS with HDMI 2.0.
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Thats not good. Very few (if any) even wants a 8k tv, its something they are forcing on us. Not to mention the drawbacks of having a 8k vs a 4k tv, you have to do even more upscaling.
That's a nonexistent drawback. If anything, the improvements in processing power in modern TVs have resulted in significant advances in upscaling capability.
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Looks like the above article may be correct, Samsung is dropping the Zone count on the Q90T to 96, will be reserving the higher zone count for the 8k models. Good news is the 8K models will launch at substantially less than they did in 2019.
Hopefully they improve over last years 900. I remember looking at them in best buy and could spot the milky blacks and blooming from 40 ft away... with showroom lights on everywhere

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