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So by looking at Samsung's page on the 2020 Q80T, I did a comparison on the Q80R. The 2020 Q80T has no mention of the Ultra Viewing Angle that is on the 2019 version and the Direct Full Array is 8X as compared to the 12X on the 2019 version. It will be interesting to see how the 2020 TV will perform with less dimming zones than the 2019 version. The 2020 does have "Local Power Distribution" but who knows if that will compensate for less zones.

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So by looking at Samsung's page on the 2020 Q80T, I did a comparison on the Q80R. The 2020 Q80T has no mention of the Ultra Viewing Angle that is on the 2019 version and the Direct Full Array is 8X as compared to the 12X on the 2019 version. It will be interesting to see how the 2020 TV will perform with less dimming zones than the 2019 version. The 2020 does have "Local Power Distribution" but who knows if that will compensate for less zones.

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-Direct Full Array 12X
-Quantum HDR 12X
-Quantum Processor 4K
-Real Game Enhancer+
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-Active Voice Amplifier
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-Object Tracking Sound
-Multi View

65 Q80R (2019)
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-Quantum HDR 12X
-Quantum Processor 4K
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-Ambient Mode
-Ultra Viewing Angle
I'm in the market for a new set. My 4 year, 3 month JS7000, one of the first Samsungs with Quantum Dot,
is, surprisingly, on its last legs - upper backlighting is beginning to fail! UGH!

This replaced a day-old 6300 that kept turning itself off and/or changing inputs.

So, have been doing a lot of research in helping to decide upon a new set.

My only Samsung choice will be buying a 2019 80R at a clearance price.

I have no interest in the new 2020 Samsung models - the company has "dumbed down" its range of sets.

The 2020 90 will be more like a 2019 80; the new 80T will be more like at 70R, etc.

Yes, there will be a few new things added, but what a "price" to pay.

At least Sony, also without any new major innovations, will be standing pat with their new models, they
won't be going down a notch.

If you want a better than average 2020, LED Samsung, you have to buy an 8K.

No, thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm in the market for a new set. My 4 year, 3 month JS7000, one of the first Samsungs with Quantum Dot,
is, surprisingly, on its last legs - upper backlighting is beginning to fail! UGH!

This replaced a day-old 6300 that kept turning itself off and/or changing inputs.

So, have been doing a lot of research in helping to decide upon a new set.

My only Samsung choice will be buying a 2019 80R at a clearance price.

I have no interest in the new 2020 Samsung models - the company has "dumbed down" its range of sets.

The 2020 90 will be more like a 2019 80; the new 80T will be more like at 70R, etc.

Yes, there will be a few new things added, but what a "price" to pay.

At least Sony, also without any new major innovations, will be standing pat with their new models, they
won't be going down a notch.

If you want a better than average 2020, LED Samsung, you have to buy an 8K.

No, thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was in the same position as you doing lots of research and ended up with the 2019 Q90R

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Sony seems to have done the same thing with their 2020 models. Very minor tweaks at best
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Sony seems to have done the same thing with their 2020 models. Very minor tweaks at best
Minor tweaks, yes - but Sony hasn't downgraded models the way Samsung has!

That's why I won't consider buying a 2020 Samsung LED.
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Dumb question. What’s the difference between the Q90T and the Q95T? Is it just a different model for a different region?


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Dumb question. What’s the difference between the Q90T and the Q95T? Is it just a different model for a different region?


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This is from a German website, so things may be a bit different here in U.S.

Only the Q95ST supports "Q-Symphony" technology which combines the TV's speaker along with a compatible soundbar.

And only this model employs the "One Connect Box."

Hope this helps.
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Sony seems to have done the same thing with their 2020 models. Very minor tweaks at best
You need to make a technology change all together to make the kind of change most people want Like OLED for example, it will probably be baby steps till the end of time, except the roll-able version...
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zero mention of HDMI 2.1/4K-120

so I have to assume it wont be included (the chipset hardware either is 48 gbps or it isnt ..)



which makes the 2020 QLED line-up not only pointless, but actually worse than the 2019 line-up (Q90/95T has the same number of zones as Q80R did ..)
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zero mention of HDMI 2.1/4K-120

so I have to assume it wont be included (the chipset hardware either is 48 gbps or it isnt ..)



which makes the 2020 QLED line-up not only pointless, but actually worse than the 2019 line-up (Q90/95T has the same number of zones as Q80R did ..)
I am on the fence for a 2019 Q90R, I see Samsung has a Q90T and Q95T as possible replacements. I am confused as the review I just read on Tech Radar today list the Q95T as Samsung's top 4K unit. What would be the difference between the Q90T and Q95T?
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I am on the fence for a 2019 Q90R, I see Samsung has a Q90T and Q95T as possible replacements. I am confused as the review I just read on Tech Radar today list the Q95T as Samsung's top 4K unit. What would be the difference between the Q90T and Q95T?
only One Connect Box I think (not confirmed)


and Q90R has well more zones than Q90T
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looks like the 85 q950ts will sell for around $12,999 ($15K MSRP) and arrive mid March.

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looks like the 85 q950ts will sell for around $12,999 ($15K MSRP) and arrive mid March.

I haven't seen anything on pricing yet. Can you post a link?


I just saw Vincent's introductory video for the Q950, Q900, and Q800 and it was disconcerting to see that the new displays do 4K/120 @ 8 bit 4:2:0 which strongly implies that Samsung still doesn't have full bandwidth HDMI 2.1 this year. I sincerely hope this is nothing more than a bit of miscommunication. I'm prepared to pay premium prices, but thirteen large is a big ask for something that doesn't include the whole enchilada.

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I haven't seen anything on pricing yet. Can you post a link?


I just saw Vincent's introductory video for the Q950, Q900, and Q800 and it was disconcerting to see that the new displays do 4K/120 @ 8 bit 4:2:0 which strongly implies that Samsung still doesn't have full bandwidth HDMI 2.1 this year. I sincerely hope this is nothing more than a bit of miscommunication. I'm prepared to pay premium prices, but thirteen large is a big ask for something that doesn't include the whole enchilada.
it could be a case of nothing at the moment can do 4k 120 at 10bit because of no devices having 2.1 yet. But even 2019 8k tv's have one full hdmi 2.1 capable of 8k 60 10 bit. The q90r might be limited because of no actual 2.1 for 4k 120 10 bit, but we have to wait for devices I think.

https://www.avforums.com/news/ces-20...fication.17002

*page 145 of the 2019 q900 user manual states it can do 4k 120 @ 10 bit -rgb 4:4:4/ycbcr4:4:4/ycbcr4:2:2/ycbcr4:2:0 &
8k/60 10 bit ycbr4:2:0

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Uh oh! Flatpanelshd reporting the Q950TS will only have around 300 zones. Looks like Sammy may be going the way of Sony and downgrading their LCD lines. That’s too bad.
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Uh oh! Flatpanelshd reporting the Q950TS will only have around 300 zones. Looks like Sammy may be going the way of Sony and downgrading their LCD lines. That’s too bad.
Wow! How are they going to compete with the marketing for mini-LED models that cost much less? You'd have to really want the aesthetics of the Q950TS.

The Q950TS is a beautiful TV and based on the one dark-room demo with a pro mastering display as the reference, IMO its picture quality stands up well... regardless of zone count (wide viewing angles and anti-reflective coatings are legit factors in its favor).

But, with the potential for tens of thousands of zones from highly mini-LED affordable TVs, and dual-layer LCD tech TVs that have OLED contrast coming later this year from Hisense, getting by on "good looks" alone is no longer an option and it seems that if the Chinese companies made that much progress in three short years then it's time for the South Koreans to prepare to have their lawn mowed, just like they mowed Japan's lawn and Japan mowed the U.S.'s lawn. It seems inevitable now, especially judging by what I saw at CES 2020 (diminished TV presence from Japan and Korea, hugely beefed up TV presence with models destined to U.S. markets from TCL, Hisense, Konka and Skyworth.
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Uh oh! Flatpanelshd reporting the Q950TS will only have around 300 zones. Looks like Sammy may be going the way of Sony and downgrading their LCD lines. That’s too bad.
" ... may be going the way ..." ????

It has!

Every 2020 Samsung model has regressed a notch down.

For example, the 90T = the 80R; the 80T = 70R; the 70T = 60R, etc.

The push is for 8K - higher profit margins.

At least Sony practices inertia - making minimal changes from its 2019 line to the 2020 sets -
no dumbing-down!

UGH!!!!!
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Ive already more or less decided on a Sony 900H to hold me off until Micro-LED / Dual-layer / ULED or whatever great new (non burn-in) tech is next and matured


it will have Sony motion etc., decent overall PQ (Im not in a full dark room and i sit head on), cheap (relatively) and should have at least 1 full HDMI 2.1 port
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" ... may be going the way ..." ????

It has!

Every 2020 Samsung model has regressed a notch down.

For example, the 90T = the 80R; the 80T = 70R; the 70T = 60R, etc.

The push is for 8K - higher profit margins.

At least Sony practices inertia - making minimal changes from its 2019 line to the 2020 sets -
no dumbing-down!

UGH!!!!!
Sorry but Sony already dumbed down a few years ago. The remarkable and high zone count 2016 Z9D was replaced by the decidedly inferior 2018 Z9F, which was replaced by the 2019 8K Z9G. Meanwhile the high end 2017 X940E simply disappeared so no current high end 4K Sony LCD exists on the market. But the mid level 2017 X900E continues -> 2018 X900F -> 2020 X900H. Plus, for whatever reason, they added another mid level, the 2019 X950G which goes to the 2020 X950H. And with LG only producing mediocre LCDs, the Koreans and Japanese have ceded the LCD market to the Chinese who have a complete disregard for Quality Control. But many here buy only paying attention to the cool specs, brightness, contrast and local dimming while ignoring the more salient characteristics of PQ, screen uniformity, lack of DSE, and lack of visible banding which plague all the Chinese LCDs.
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the 65 inch is 336 zones as reported by John Archer,larger sizes will have more zones

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#57edcca625ef

what matter's more is the precise dimming control ,not the zones count.
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Sorry but Sony already dumbed down a few years ago. The remarkable and high zone count 2016 Z9D was replaced by the decidedly inferior 2018 Z9F, which was replaced by the 2019 8K Z9G. Meanwhile the high end 2017 X940E simply disappeared so no current high end 4K Sony LCD exists on the market. But the mid level 2017 X900E continues -> 2018 X900F -> 2020 X900H. Plus, for whatever reason, they added another mid level, the 2019 X950G which goes to the 2020 X950H. And with LG only producing mediocre LCDs, the Koreans and Japanese have ceded the LCD market to the Chinese who have a complete disregard for Quality Control. But many here buy only paying attention to the cool specs, brightness, contrast and local dimming while ignoring the more salient characteristics of PQ, screen uniformity, lack of DSE, and lack of visible banding which plague all the Chinese LCDs.
Actually, isn't the 950G the true successor to the X900F? I think the 900H is a dumbed down version from the 900F, whereas the 950G was the incremental improvement expected of the 900F successor.
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Wow! How are they going to compete with the marketing for mini-LED models that cost much less? You'd have to really want the aesthetics of the Q950TS.

The Q950TS is a beautiful TV and based on the one dark-room demo with a pro mastering display as the reference, IMO its picture quality stands up well... regardless of zone count (wide viewing angles and anti-reflective coatings are legit factors in its favor).

But, with the potential for tens of thousands of zones from highly mini-LED affordable TVs, and dual-layer LCD tech TVs that have OLED contrast coming later this year from Hisense, getting by on "good looks" alone is no longer an option and it seems that if the Chinese companies made that much progress in three short years then it's time for the South Koreans to prepare to have their lawn mowed, just like they mowed Japan's lawn and Japan mowed the U.S.'s lawn. It seems inevitable now, especially judging by what I saw at CES 2020 (diminished TV presence from Japan and Korea, hugely beefed up TV presence with models destined to U.S. markets from TCL, Hisense, Konka and Skyworth.
Or you'd really want the 8K resolution of the Q900T to pay $5,500 MSRP (just checked Value Electronics) as it only has the aesthetics of last year's Q80R (no One Connect Box, no zero bezel frame).
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what matter's more is the precise dimming control ,not the zones count.
Precise dimming control is impossible without larger ammount of zones. Physics
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Precise dimming control is impossible without larger ammount of zones. Physics
Exactly, why not have both? Precise dimming control with MORE ZONES, they are absolutely not mutually exclusive unless you are budget constrained...
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Precise dimming control is impossible without larger ammount of zones. Physics
1000 zones will be totally useless,if there's no proper dimming control,I'd rather a fewer zone count with better control than more zones with poor control
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here are the specs for 2020 lineups

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