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Samsung TVs at CES 2020 Including Q950TS, Micro-LED, Sero, The Frame

Samsung's First Look event is at 6:30 PM PT tonight And at that time you can expect news on a variety of Samsung TVs, monitors and soundbars.

The company has lifted the embargo on news about its new flagship, the 8K Q950. This is a nearly bezel-free QLED TV that features a very slim profile yet has a FALD backlight array.

A key feature of the Q950 is there's no gap between the image and the ultra-thin 2.3mm bezel. I had a chance to see a mockup of the "Infinity Screen" Q950 and from an aesthetic point of view, it is the slickest looking FALD-LCD ever.

Here's the full press release on the Q950TS


"QLED 8K TV (Q950TS): We live in the age of streaming; Americans stream eight billion hours of content a month. With award-winning content and movie premieres coming right to our living rooms, a hyper-immersive 8K TV with crisp and detailed picture quality is key to the experience. In 2020, Samsung offers this and more with its 8K QLED lineup, including the flagship Q950TS. The design is all new, with a nearly-bezel-less Infinity Screen that ensures there’s nothing distracting you from your favorite streaming shows. No matter the native resolution, your favorite content’s picture quality is more stunning than ever with machine and new deep-learning-based 8K AI upscaling, local peak brightness, and adaptive picture. The Smart UX has also been redesigned, so it’s easier to find and stream the TV and movies you love. And in 2020, Samsung Health is coming to the TV, so you can accomplish your health and wellness goals at home, on the biggest screen in your home and on your own schedule."


In addition to 8K QLED, Samsung says it has made progress with the exciting micro-LED technology that promises to usher in a new era of TV picture quality. The company says it has increased production and is introducing a variety of new screen sizes.


From the press release:

"MicroLED: Over the past two years, Samsung has pioneered the development of MicroLED technology as the next generation of displays. New advancements for 2020 have allowed for larger-scale production of fixed screen sizes, including new 88,” 93,” 110,” and 150” sizes (in addition to prior years’ 75,” 146,” and 219” sizes). And as seen in a new 292” iteration of The Wall, MicroLED’s uniquely modular structure and sleek design allow for an unparalleled and easily customizable entertainment experience. From production to installation, Samsung’s MicroLED technology will transform our expectations for the experience of owning a TV."


But that's not all. Samsung is introducing several lifestyle TV models. For example the Sero, a TV that can switch from horizontal to vertical orientations and features robust built-in sound:

From the press release:

"The Sero: The Sero is a TV designed for the mobile generation. It sports an automated rotating display that switches between horizontal and vertical orientations, and other mobile-friendly features. Simply sync The Sero to your Galaxy phone and it automatically rotates to match the orientation of the content so you can watch video the way it was meant to be seen on the largest 4K display screen in the home in either portrait or landscape mode."


The Frame is going strong. For 2020 the popular line of TVs that display art when not showing TV or movies and are designed to look like wall-handing framed pictures, gets new sizes.

From the press release:

"The Frame: The Frame TV re-invented the TV experience for consumers by being a TV when it is on and art when it is off. In 2020, Samsung continues to evolve The Frame as a TV that effortlessly blends into your home through its innovative design. The 2020 edition of The Frame will be available in new 32” and 75”sizes—resulting in a total of six different sizes. New in 2020 are the beige and burgundy bezels, along with accessories like the No-Gap Wall Mount and One Invisible Connection, turning the Frame into a truly elegant decorative piece. The Frame’s 4K UHD resolution and Dual LED back panel ensure a super sharp image, while the improved sensors on the bottom of the device help to optimize the image based on ambient light conditions. And when it’s not being used as a TV, the Frame makes an elegant design statement. With Art Mode 3.0’s auto curation, you can get personalized recommendations based on your specific tastes from the more than 1,200 artwork options available (via paid subscription) in the Samsung Art Store."

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Please get the MSRP for the 88" (or is it 85?)

Also, what do you mean by "no gap between the image and the...bezel"? Is there usually a gap? I think of the image as going right to the bezel no?

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Looks like its getting ATSC 3.0 tuner as well.


https://news.samsung.com/global/sams...led-8k-line-up

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Please get the MSRP for the 88" (or is it 85?)

Also, what do you mean by "no gap between the image and the...bezel"? Is there usually a gap? I think of the image as going right to the bezel no?
There usually is a small gap where it's black, no image, yes. At least on TVs with ultra-thin bezels.

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It sounds like they still are going to be missing Dolby Vision. We will see if that is indeed the case.
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how about 4K,mini-led,any news?
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My mind tells me these beautiful tv and powerful speakers in the Q950TS Missing supports Dolby atmos, DTS or DTSX
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No news on any new 4k sets? Looking for successor to the Q90R with HDMI 2.1 and further improvements.
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yeah, i only care about Q90R successor
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No news on any new 4k sets? Looking for successor to the Q90R with HDMI 2.1 and further improvements.
It looks like Samsung is trying to jebait consumers. New 4k lineup: Q60T, Q70T, Q80T and Q90T. RU8000 becomes the Q60T(?) and Q70T isn't FALD this year. Q80T might be the Q70R - no wider viewing angle and has FALD. Marketing seems to be focusing on useless gimmicks.

https://www.whathifi.com/news/samsun...ne-up-for-2020
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need details on Q80T and Q90T


at the very least it needs to have 4x HDMI 2.1 48 gbps
but official support for HDMI-VRR like on C9 would be good also
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There's so many things Samsung really should improve. I'd really like to see Samsung get rid of the 120 Hz PWM crap they have on everything except movie mode without auto motion. And it would be nice if the auto motion was actually usable and not a stuttering mess. Better banding and noise reductions would be nice as well. And the sub-pixel rendering that lowers effective resolution...
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@imagic see if you can get an MSRP on the 98" 800 model please

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I just saw Vincent Teo's video of the Q950 from the showroom floor and it only took me 2 minutes to realize that the Q950 is a no go for me this year. I get it that it's probably due to weight, but the goofy lean of the TV on the stand makes it a complete non starter for me. Disappointing.

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It says the Q80T is where the direct full array panels start. Does that mean the new Q70T will not have FALD ?
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I think the most interesting thing about this TV is that they're bringing back Picture-in-Picture ("multi-view modes" that are mentioned in some of the articles covering the Q950TS, such as Steve Withers on Pocket-Lint.com).

I remember when my old Panasonic CRT TV had PIP. What a time to be alive!
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has HDMI 2.1 48gbps been confirmed for Q800T ?
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When are prices normally announced? March or so? This is the year I'm pulling the trigger on a new set.
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Is it me or is there absolutely no information on the Q90T or how the 2020 line up stacks up against the 2019 models in terms of features.

There has been horrible coverage, reviewers are only focused on the Q950 and glaze over the rest of the lineup. Frustrating since I have Q90R which has a bad pixel wondering if I should return and wait or just exchange.
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I'm here at CES. I generally am not a big fan of Samsung but their LCDs for 2020 are quite impressive. Of course they are bright, but they measure ambient light and adjust gamma actively to preserve shadow detail yet maximize contrast given the conditions you happen to be watching TV in while adjusting in real time... and it actually works! That combined with the anti-reflection properties of the screen and good off axis viewing make this by far my favorite display here for a multi-use room.

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I'm here at CES. I generally am not a big fan of Samsung but their LCDs for 2020 are quite impressive. Of course they are bright, but they measure ambient light and adjust gamma actively to preserve shadow detail yet maximize contrast given the conditions you happen to be watching TV in while adjusting in real time... and it actually works! That combined with the anti-reflection properties of the screen and good off axis viewing make this by far my favorite display here for a multi-use room.

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Great feedback, I am new Samsung myself been a big Sony fan for processing. Do you know which models you were looking at?
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Is it me or is there absolutely no information on the Q90T or how the 2020 line up stacks up against the 2019 models in terms of features.



There has been horrible coverage, reviewers are only focused on the Q950 and glaze over the rest of the lineup. Frustrating since I have Q90R which has a bad pixel wondering if I should return and wait or just exchange.
You usually here more a few weeks after CES in terms of details and lineups. Seems like that's how it has worked for the past couple of years with all the vendors.

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For those at CES, is there any talk of Samsung's zone count? I'm guessing by the radio silence on that front, it's the exact same configuration as last year. If so, Samsung is allowing TCL to leapfrog them technologically on the Mini LED front while they are busy solving nonexistent problems. I have a Q9FN, and at no point have I looked at the TV and been bothered by the bezels. In fact, when the TV's on, it looks pretty damn close to being bezel-free. I have, however, been bothered by light bleeding into letterbox bars on 2:1 format. That's something that might have been helped by mini LEDs and more zones. Guess I'll have to start a hedge fund and buy a The Wall.
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You usually here more a few weeks after CES in terms of details and lineups. Seems like that's how it has worked for the past couple of years with all the vendors.

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Make sense, now to figure out whether to return and wait, or just replace.
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Does the follow-up to the Q90R have HDMI 2.1?

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It says the Q80T is where the direct full array panels start. Does that mean the new Q70T will not have FALD ?
Looks like the Q60T and Q70 TV will be using samsungs new edge lit technology called Dual Led. They claim this new technology will improve blacks and contrast

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Great feedback, I am new Samsung myself been a big Sony fan for processing. Do you know which models you were looking at?
It was the new 2020 8K QLED. They didn't provide the model number. The guy mentioned the software enhancements should make their way down to the higher end 4K 2020 QLED TVs, too (e.g. the 2020 equivalent of the Q90R).

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either Q80T or Q90T could be viable purchases, just need more damn info on them .. (48 gbps, HDMI-VRR etc.)


one thing I like is that Q80T doesnt have Ultra-Wide Angle and Q90T does (and they are both FALD) .. so you can choose depending on if you sit center or not (Ultra-Wide for QLEDs also introduces some sub-pixel dithering or something like that and contrast takes a marginal hit as usual, so for center sitters Q80T may actually be better .. ?)
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