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I noticed that, too. Mine's shipped, expecting soon. Yours still good?
Yes I like the set the color is outstanding has better contrast than my e series from 2018 also . I want to add that there are conflicting reports on Vizio's offerings for next year I have seen a couple of ads showing Vizio offering the 43 inch M again next year also. If you look at the promo on Vizio's website for the 2020 collection it shows the M in a 43 inch version also.
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Visio really seems to have stepped up this year with the display technology. 3000 nits and 85% REC 2020 are really leading stats!
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Really liking the lineup this year and the addition of an 85" size. Hope the 85 becomes more mainstream in the next year or two and becomes available in the P or M series, that'll probably be my next living room TV upgrade to go with the new consoles. I'm quite happy with the 65" M8 I've got there right now, especially for the price.

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Yes I like the set the color is outstanding has better contrast than my e series from 2018 also . I want to add that there are conflicting reports on Vizio's offerings for next year I have seen a couple of ads showing Vizio offering the 43 inch M again next year also. If you look at the promo on Vizio's website for the 2020 collection it shows the M in a 43 inch version also.
Thanks for that heads-up. It wouldn't make sense to discontinue it after being named (by rtings) best TV in 40" - 43" category.

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Visio really seems to have stepped up this year with the display technology. 3000 nits and 85% REC 2020 are really leading stats!
I believe the 2019 Quantum X model already claimed these same stats?

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I believe the 2019 Quantum X model already claimed these same stats?

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I was going by what rtings measured at 2373 peak brightness (10% hdr window) and 76.4% color volume for the 2019 Quantum X. I did not realized they claimed 3k nits on the 2019 model.
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I believe the 2019 Quantum X model already claimed these same stats?

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I was going by what rtings measured at 2373 peak brightness (10% hdr window) and 76.4% color volume for the 2019 Quantum X. I did not realized they claimed 3k nits on the 2019 model.

It just goes you the variance from panel to panel. I have the 2018 quantum which rtings measured 80% rec. 2020 and 2400 nits. I do think there measured in calibrated mode instead of vivid(torch mode).
I dont think the color or brightness will change much when reviewed. To me it's more about improved processing and upscaling as well as hdmi 2.1. Hopefully the new engine will improve upscaling, fald flicker as well as all the banding issues seen the last couple of years. If so I wouldn't mind picking up a 75 or if I can convince the wife 85 inch quantam X.
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I'll keep my eye on this, mainly to see what dithering and/or subpixel shenanigans they try to pull.

TCL, for example, is hideous. Dithering so bad that it effectively cuts the screen resolution straight in half. Samsung TVs do just about the same thing—slightly less awful, and it can be (partially) defeated under some circumstances, which is the only reason I kept my Q70R.

Sony is the only maker who seems immune to this crap. And given that not even the most persnickety of professional review sites ever grade a TV for its dithering, I have to wonder just what's in it for them. Perhaps if the day finally comes that somebody puts their foot down and raises a decent fuss, Sony will be able to truthfully say they're the only ones who ever made 4K TVs that actually gave you all 4K.
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In my opinion, Vizio had by far the best CES 2020.


  • HDMI 2.1 on *EVERY* TV. Even the low-end. Everyone else was very obtuse about HDMI 2.1 availability. Even LG just has it on their high-end sets.
  • The Quantum X in 85" with all those dimming zones. All that brightness and color gamut. The best value big TV by far.
Now, put this against Sony, LG, Samsung and others being very coy about the exact specs of their entire lineup or the exact status of HDMI 2.1, and they look even better. I really don't give a damn about $60,000 rollup OLEDS or even 8K TVs for which there is now and will not be for awhile any content. I also don't care about micro or mini LED sets that aren't coming out this year or will be too expensive to consider.


What a breath of fresh air to have a company like Vizio come out and give us all the specs and models on an easy to read sheet like the one in the first post. Thank you, Vizio!


Pretty happy I didn't settle for that dim bloomfest LG 9070 this year. It was the only large affordable TV with full HDMI 2.1 this year.
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In my opinion, Vizio had by far the best CES 2020.


  • HDMI 2.1 on *EVERY* TV. Even the low-end. Everyone else was very obtuse about HDMI 2.1 availability. Even LG just has it on their high-end sets.
  • The Quantum X in 85" with all those dimming zones. All that brightness and color gamut. The best value big TV by far.
Now, put this against Sony, LG, Samsung and others being very coy about the exact specs of their entire lineup or the exact status of HDMI 2.1, and they look even better. I really don't give a damn about $60,000 rollup OLEDS or even 8K TVs for which there is now and will not be for awhile any content. I also don't care about micro or mini LED sets that aren't coming out this year or will be too expensive to consider.


What a breath of fresh air to have a company like Vizio come out and give us all the specs and models on an easy to read sheet like the one in the first post. Thank you, Vizio!


Pretty happy I didn't settle for that dim bloomfest LG 9070 this year. It was the only large affordable TV with full HDMI 2.1 this year.
Vizio is usually a year or two behind when it comes to fully supporting all the current features found on other TV's. Extremely surprised how they appear to be back in the game this year. Looking forward to reviews and whether or not features performing as intended. This year I am disappointed they only reached 65" on the OLED's but the 85" QX should perform very close I hope.
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I hope they fixed the bad upscaling and banding on their TVs.
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I hope they fixed the bad upscaling and banding on their TVs.
Pray their OLEDs aren't like their LEDs.
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I've generally been pleased with Vizio. They aren't perfect, and rarely are they the "best", but value tends to be outstanding--and they do they make tradeoffs in areas where Samsung, Sony, etc., try to use to justify their under-performing overpriced TVs--style and form factor. I have no problem NOT paying for form factor (i.e. super thin, etc.). "Good enough" is the only criteria on form factor that I care about. Further, they're the only major manufacturer that continues to update their TV software in models as far back as 2016, TBOMK. Sony and LG... meh... one and done it seems for most model years, before they move on to only improving the current year's model. I imagine this may change with TCL Roku TVs. But that longer term support on software upgrades has impressed me enough to prefer Vizio to other brands--and since I'm ready for another upgrade, definitely pleased to see the 2020 options--particularly the 85" BEAST!

And while I can't disagree with some of the banding issues observed or the criticisms for the sub-par OS, let's not forget they've been using the same processor they had in their 2016 models--which were excellent for the price at the time, and, imo, the best 4k HDR value available (P-Series) back then. They obviously needed to improve the processor to keep up with the increasing demands of the OS and to maximize the panel capabilities. Hopefully, the updated processors in the 2020 models will solve some of the aforementioned issues.
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I was going by what rtings measured at 2373 peak brightness (10% hdr window) and 76.4% color volume for the 2019 Quantum X. I did not realized they claimed 3k nits on the 2019 model.
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I've generally been pleased with Vizio. They aren't perfect, and rarely are they the "best", but value tends to be outstanding--and they do they make tradeoffs in areas where Samsung, Sony, etc., try to use to justify their under-performing overpriced TVs--style and form factor. I have no problem NOT paying for form factor (i.e. super thin, etc.). "Good enough" is the only criteria on form factor that I care about. Further, they're the only major manufacturer that continues to update their TV software in models as far back as 2016, TBOMK. Sony and LG... meh... one and done it seems for most model years, before they move on to only improving the current year's model. I imagine this may change with TCL Roku TVs. But that longer term support on software upgrades has impressed me enough to prefer Vizio to other brands--and since I'm ready for another upgrade, definitely pleased to see the 2020 options--particularly the 85" BEAST!

And while I can't disagree with some of the banding issues observed or the criticisms for the sub-par OS, let's not forget they've been using the same processor they had in their 2016 models--which were excellent for the price at the time, and, imo, the best 4k HDR value available (P-Series) back then. They obviously needed to improve the processor to keep up with the increasing demands of the OS and to maximize the panel capabilities. Hopefully, the updated processors in the 2020 models will solve some of the aforementioned issues.

Yeah, in agreement on all of that. People forget that back in 2016, the Vizio brains were pretty damn good and their TVs were amazing regardless of price. In the past 4 years, that tech has got really long in the tooth and it's hurt them. If this new CPU with HDMI 2.1 turns out well and fixes the current issues... watch out.



My wife is going to be so mad when that giant 85" TV appears on the living room wall one day. Hopefully I can keep it in the settlement.
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I hope they fixed the bad upscaling and banding on their TVs.
This is the only concern I have and the reason I went with Sony 900F for den. If Vizio addresses and improves upscaling the 2020 85” Quantum X will be mine for my man cave.

It looks like..according to videos I’ve seen, that Vizio has also improved their OS. It seems much snappier and smoother now. Fingers crossed.
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When does Vizio typically release their new TVs ?
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When does Vizio typically release their new TVs ?
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In my opinion, Vizio had by far the best CES 2020.


  • HDMI 2.1 on *EVERY* TV. Even the low-end. Everyone else was very obtuse about HDMI 2.1 availability. Even LG just has it on their high-end sets.
  • The Quantum X in 85" with all those dimming zones. All that brightness and color gamut. The best value big TV by far.
Now, put this against Sony, LG, Samsung and others being very coy about the exact specs of their entire lineup or the exact status of HDMI 2.1, and they look even better. I really don't give a damn about $60,000 rollup OLEDS or even 8K TVs for which there is now and will not be for awhile any content. I also don't care about micro or mini LED sets that aren't coming out this year or will be too expensive to consider.


What a breath of fresh air to have a company like Vizio come out and give us all the specs and models on an easy to read sheet like the one in the first post. Thank you, Vizio!


Pretty happy I didn't settle for that dim bloomfest LG 9070 this year. It was the only large affordable TV with full HDMI 2.1 this year.
Vizio seems to be running circles around the higher end manufacturer's LCD sets this year. Samsung still doesn't want to support Dolby Vision, and is actually reducing the number of FALD zones in their QLED sets.

From what I know now, I would get a Vizio P-Series Quantum X or take a chance on burn in and get a LG CX.
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For those that have seen the 85" PX model, how did it handle off axis viewing and reflections? Samsung is dealing with both very well albeit at a MUCH higher price, and they have finally addressed black crush (I saw the 950TS). I really hope Vizio has improved panel to panel consistency, DSE, banding and their processing. If those 4 things along with off axis viewing and better reflection control have improved then they will have a real winner.

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Dithering so bad that it effectively cuts the screen resolution straight in half. Samsung TVs do just about the same thing—slightly less awful, and it can be (partially) defeated under some circumstances, which is the only reason I kept my Q70R.
how can it be defeated ?


and also - is dithering on Samsung only on the models with Ultra Wide Viewing Angles (like the Q90R) or on all QLEDs ?
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Seems everyone is talking about the panels and zone count when I think the biggest deal here is the claim of better processing and upscaling with new chips. That should offer more real world benefit for common sources than any of the mechanical tech tweaks other than hopefully correcting any jail bars. These sort of artifacts etc are a lot more distracting when viewing than ultimate brightness or contrast unless those aspects are clearly not competitive. For me, fixing what's kinda broken was a lot more important than ramping up zone counts, etc.

I still don't like 2 different spec M series. I still think it's poor (form) marketing move that will confuse consumers. Guess which one they'll send for reviews and which will be the lead seller for unsuspecting joe average/
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By chance, does anyone know the actual size measurements (including bezel) for the 85 inch P series set? I haven't been able to locate it anywhere but I have a somewhat tight space to fit this set into.

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By chance, does anyone know the actual size measurements (including bezel) for the 85 inch P series set? I haven't been able to locate it anywhere but I have a somewhat tight space to fit this set into.

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should be similar in size as the competitors 85" screens... Sony and LG.
depth will be the biggest difference...
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Cool

Depending on the official specs of this year's game consoles, I might be in the market for a new TV this time next year. I'll definitely be keeping an eye (and ear) on the 85".

By spring time of 2021, not only will there be plenty of reviews but I'm sure the TV will have seen several price reductions.

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