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I would like to know the diff between the 85x900h and the 85x950h
were talking $1500 price diff!
do either have next gen tuner?
different processors?
Sony X950H 85" $4,999.99 MSRP, Sony X900H 85" TBA.

Processor and tuner info:

https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/news/eeac274

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Sony X950H 85" $4,999.99 MSRP, Sony X900H 85" TBA.

Processor and tuner info:

https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/news/eeac274
thanks for that,now according to these specs the cheaper 900h will have firmware update to make it nextgen compatible but no mention of the more expensive 950h having such compatibility,also what is mid range full array compared to full range array,key diff between the two?
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thanks for that,now according to these specs the cheaper 900h will have firmware update to make it nextgen compatible but no mention of the more expensive 950h having such compatibility,also what is mid range full array compared to full range array,key diff between the two?
X900H seems more attractive to me, and without X-Wide Angle. "Mid-range full array"? ha ha All will be revealed, drip, drip, drip.

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Hello....realize this is total speculation....but...given the available info....how do you think that the 2020 950H will compare to the Z9F....specifically in 65 inch...do we think that the 950H will "correct" some the criticized aspects?...i.e. black bar blooming and the sound?. I totally get that the Z9F is, overall, excellent...just wondering if worth waiting.

Thanks for any thoughts....

Oh...and on Amazon...you can find the 950H in 49 inches...and if you click on the 65 inch...there is no pricing...but there are photos...and one photo shows the TV with the stand turned inward alot...to better fit on smaller stands. (It does show this on Sony's website also, though hard to find)
X950H will most likely have fewer dimming zones than the Z9F, so I don't imagine it will suddenly get rid of the blooming seen on both the X950G and Z9F.

A different dimming algorithm could produce different results, like how Samsung prioritize minimal blooming at the expense of shadow detail. Sony do it the other way around, which I think is preferable all things considered.

The sound will be much improved over both the Z9F and X950G, but just how good we don't yet know!

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thanks for that,now according to these specs the cheaper 900h will have firmware update to make it nextgen compatible but no mention of the more expensive 950h having such compatibility,also what is mid range full array compared to full range array,key diff between the two?
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X900H seems more attractive to me, and without X-Wide Angle. "Mid-range full array"? ha ha All will be revealed, drip, drip, drip.
I think "mid-range full array" simply means the X900H will have less advanced local dimming/fewer dimming zones, since it's positioned as the lower-end set compared to the X950H.
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the issue here is that I think Sony never mentioned the words "HDMI 2.1" in regard to 900H


everywhere I saw it says "4K @ 120 compatibility pending a future fw update" - note the wording

but HDMI 2.0 18 gbps can also do 4K-120 .. at 4:2:0 (which is what CX is also getting), so maybe 900H is just getting that (like an experimental feature) and not 48 gbps
for 900H to have 48 gbps - it needs the actual hardware HDMI 2.1 48 gbps chip inside .. and it would be extremely weird for 900H to have such a chip already, but for 950H and 2020 OLEDs to not have one ..
and if 900H has the chip inside - why would it even need a fw update to have 4K-120 ? 48 gbps enable 4K-120 by default
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I would like to know the diff between the 85x900h and the 85x950h
were talking $1500 price diff!
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thanks for that,now according to these specs the cheaper 900h will have firmware update to make it nextgen compatible but no mention of the more expensive 950h having such compatibility,also what is mid range full array compared to full range array,key diff between the two?
I guess we will have to wait for reviews to see how they test. Lets face it, not much difference from the 900F to the 950G.
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I guess we will have to wait for reviews to see how they test. Lets face it, not much difference from the 900F to the 950G.
Exactly, the 900F is too cheap right now to give a crap about the 950G in my opinion.
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the issue here is that I think Sony never mentioned the words "HDMI 2.1" in regard to 900H


everywhere I saw it says "4K @ 120 compatibility pending a future fw update" - note the wording

but HDMI 2.0 18 gbps can also do 4K-120 .. at 4:2:0 (which is what CX is also getting), so maybe 900H is just getting that (like an experimental feature) and not 48 gbps
for 900H to have 48 gbps - it needs the actual hardware HDMI 2.1 48 gbps chip inside .. and it would be extremely weird for 900H to have such a chip already, but for 950H and 2020 OLEDs to not have one ..
and if 900H has the chip inside - why would it even need a fw update to have 4K-120 ? 48 gbps enable 4K-120 by default
This thread link may be helpful, particularly Rasmus Larsen posts.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/flatfor...=13394&p=18801
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This thread link may be helpful, particularly Rasmus Larsen posts.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/flatfor...=13394&p=18801
thats actually super helpful yes
I guess that confirms 900H will indeed have 48gbps


my only question then is - if indeed in second half of 2020 Sony will roll out more TVs, which will have HDMI 2.1 - obviously some of those would be OLEDs
but how likely would it to get another HDMI 2.1 4K higher-end LCD later in 2020 ? Im thinking very low, since 950H will already be out and it seems Sony abandoned Premium LCD segment in favor of OLEDs, so no Z9F successor (Im not counting Z8H since its 8K)




and another thing to consider - would 900H get 4x HDMI 2.1 ports or only 1-2 ?
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Anyone who saw the 75" Z8H 8K at CES know if the screen finish is matte, semi-glossy or glossy? Thank you
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thats actually super helpful yes
I guess that confirms 900H will indeed have 48gbps


my only question then is - if indeed in second half of 2020 Sony will roll out more TVs, which will have HDMI 2.1 - obviously some of those would be OLEDs
but how likely would it to get another HDMI 2.1 4K higher-end LCD later in 2020 ? Im thinking very low, since 950H will already be out and it seems Sony abandoned Premium LCD segment in favor of OLEDs, so no Z9F successor (Im not counting Z8H since its 8K)




and another thing to consider - would 900H get 4x HDMI 2.1 ports or only 1-2 ?
Based on how they've done things the last few years, I agree that it's unlikely they'll release that many additional TVs later in the year. We know the A9H is coming for sure, and if it's accompanied by an LCD, then that'll be a Master Series Z9H at most. The more "mainstream" sets that are relatively more affordable to more people, those are usually announced at CES.
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Sony details HDMI 2.1 in 2020 OLED & LCD TVs

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thats actually super helpful yes
I guess that confirms 900H will indeed have 48gbps . . . my only question then is - if indeed in second half of 2020 Sony will roll out more TVs, which will have HDMI 2.1 - obviously some of those would be OLEDs?

Flatpanelshd news - Sony details HDMI 2.1 features in its 2020 OLED & LCD TVs:

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1581346800


A9H: 48", 55", 65" and 77" estimated USA launch at V E is September 2020

2019 A9G vs. the 2020 A9H:
- Sony's A9H Master Series OLED TV will have HDMI 2.1
- Advanced algorithms and more powerful new processor
- New 2 way pedestal stand
- New Slim wall-mount compatible
- Acoustic Auto Calibration w/room correction
- New backlit premium remote, silver finish
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Sony details HDMI 2.1 features in its 2020 OLED & LCD TVs:

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1581346800


A9H: 48", 55", 65" and 77" estimated USA launch at V E is September 2020

2019 A9G vs. the 2020 A9H:
- Sony's A9H Master Series OLED TV will have HDMI 2.1
- Advanced algorithms and more powerful new processor
- New 2 way pedestal stand
- New Slim wall-mount compatible
- Acoustic Auto Calibration w/room correction
- New backlit premium remote, silver finish
yeah, thats expected, but i have 0 interest in Sony OLEDs .. if I decided on an OLED I buy C9 or CX with 0 hesitation


for LCD its exactly the opposite - LGs Nanocell IPS are awful, Sony LCDs are still good .. except they abandoned the premium for OLED and they didnt put HDMI 2.1 on 950H ...
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Flatpanelshd news - Sony details HDMI 2.1 features in its 2020 OLED & LCD TVs:

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1581346800
Yikes, so that confirms they've just redeployed their entire LCD line up from last year except the X900H.


Pretty sad.


Anyone holding off buying an X950G for an X950H has just been released from waiting. :P

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Yikes, so that confirms they've just redeployed their entire LCD line up from last year except the X900H.

Pretty sad.

Anyone holding off buying an X950G for an X950H has just been released from waiting. :P
Not yet, some may want the X-wide angle filter on the 65" or 55" models and it's yet to be known how many dimming zones it has, how many nits, it's contrast ratio, etc.

Although it's unlikely to be much different from the X950G, it does appear to potentially be brighter according to someone that set up the 49" X950H. However since this model has no X-wide angle filter, it may be brighter than ones with it.

https://www.facebook.com/ValueElectr...1215158267974/

Also, I found this video of the X950H for anyone still interested in it but it's in french:


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Sony X95h vs Sony X95g differences

Hi, I wonder what the differences are between Sony x95g vs the new Sony x9500h.

I would be happy if there's side by side comparison.

Note: Sony x9500h (Asian version) is different and seems better than Sony x95h in term of features added.
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I'm sure once the TV is released there will be a comparison. Just looking at what is known as of now, there isn't any real difference.

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Sony X95H

This year, even the 55-inch and 65-inch models feature the X-Wide Angle technology, which was previously reserved for the bigger-sized TVs. Each is powered by a Picture Processor X1 Ultimate and has a Full-Array LED backlighting. The rest of the features include improved Acoustic Multi-Audio, Sound-from-Picture Reality, XBalanced Speaker, Flush Surface design, Ambient Optimization of image and sound, Triluminos Display, Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos support, hands-free capabilities; connectivity with Apple AirPlay 2, HomeKit, Amazon Alexa enabled devices and Android TV (Android 9.0 Pie) support.

I didn't understand the new features added to Sony x95h like

1- Voice Zoom

2- Ambient Optimization of image and sound

3- hands-free capabilities

4- X-Balanced Speaker


Could you please explain them
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Is there a LCD/LED TV that's coming out that has both Quantum Dots and Dolby Vision?
Wouldn't hold my breath on Sony. Even so, they'd probably only make it available in 75" or larger. (For awhile Sony only made their flagship available in 65" or larger, but seem to be pushing it ever larger). Really disappointing because 55" is the sweet spot for many homes, and it definitely benefits from the all the same improvements (as proven by previous flagship models).
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Is there a LCD/LED TV that's coming out that has both Quantum Dots and Dolby Vision?
There are tons. Hisense, TCL both have them. Sony's "Triluminos"-branded LCD sets have been QD since a while too I'm pretty sure; Z9D for example is QD, they just don't call it that "Samsung name".


The only tricky part is Sony has used Triluminos to mean various things over various display types over the years. It once meant the backlight was RGB; it has been used to refer to QD technology; has been used differently for mobile-phone screens; and is even stated on their OLED sets. So it seems to be a name they throw around loosely, however I'm pretty sure for LCD TVs, it has meant the same thing as what "quantum dot" is, for around the past 5 years or so.
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Triluminous isnt QD
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Triluminous isnt QD
The author of the following linked article seems to think it is.

"What is Sony’s Triluminos technology and how does it make Sony TVs better?"

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At the heart of Sony’s Triluminos and quantum dot technology are quantum dots. These are basically light emitting nanoparticles (and quite small at 2 to 10 nanometres) that emit a very specific hue of light when excited either electrically or another external source of light. The ones used in Sony TVs enhanced with the company’s Triluminos tech have the latter kind of quantum dots that are excited by a special backlight. In Triluminos branded Sony TVs, the standard LED backlight is replaced by special LED backlight arrays that emit monochromatic blue light instead of white light.
https://www.mysmartprice.com/gear/20...os-technology/

Re QLED or Triluminos or other tech/manufacturing, I'm more interested in which TV companies are using lead-free quantum dots.

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Triluminous isnt QD
Indeed it doesn't appear to be. If Sony is using QD under the Triluminous label it would be surprising because imo it's easily observable that current models' color systems pale in comparison to the 900A from 2013 (which does have QD, and was marketed as such). Also, the color gamut and volume numbers from the last few years do not suggest Sony is using QD (easily checked and compared on rtings.com). Been waiting several years now for a proper upgrade.
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Indeed it doesn't appear to be. If Sony is using QD under the Triluminous label it would be surprising because imo it's easily observable that current models' color systems pale in comparison to the 900A from 2013 (which does have QD, and was marketed as such). Also, the color gamut and volume numbers from the last few years do not suggest Sony is using QD (easily checked and compared on rtings.com). Been waiting several years now for a proper upgrade.
Sony uses Phosphors instead of QD under the Triluminous label. There were only two models that used QD to my knowledge.

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thanks for that,now according to these specs the cheaper 900h will have firmware update to make it nextgen compatible but no mention of the more expensive 950h having such compatibility,also what is mid range full array compared to full range array,key diff between the two?
"Mid range" full array is everything Sony has put out sine the "E" series. Full range full array would be the older 940e and Z9D. Sony hasn't made a high end LCD since the 940e...It's all been mid range. The 900f was the last reasonable LCD Sony made. Everything else has been a joke since then. Shame, they used to make the best...Glad I got my 75 Z9D when I did. No LCD has been able to match that set...Certainly nothing Sony has put out.
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The author of the following linked article seems to think it is.

"What is Sony’s Triluminos technology and how does it make Sony TVs better?"
There are also several more articles that mention it:
https://www.tedpublications.com/en/s...os-what-is-it/
https://www.theverge.com/2013/1/16/3...h-quantum-dots
https://www.engadget.com/2013/01/14/...-dot-qdvision/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantu...ancement_layer


"QLED" is just a Samsung tradename. While it is less nonsensical than "LED TV" (also thought up by Samsung), it's more a term they are using for QD tech, than anyone else. The term "quantum dot" has been otherwise used by other makers (Hisense, TCL, probably others) but it seems Sony has used the "Triluminos" name to encompass it. Granted the name has been used to describe various technologies to enhance colour but it seems in this day and age, on LCDs, it would be referring to QD implementation.


If we're saying instead that Sony did use QD on past sets but not now, that still leaves the aforementioned Hisense and TCL which are using QD and have DV (which is what the original question was).

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