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The Z8H could be a winner if the blacks and contrast are at least respectable and blooming is at a minimum, cause name an LCD LED that doesn’t have some. I didn’t see anyone mention if it does have X wide either? Also if it has 2.1 hdmi on all 4 ports, I could live with 2 personally! ATSC 3.0 is not a deal breaker! You still have some broadcast channels at 720p, it will be awhile for 4K broadcast on a regular basis and you can always buy an external tuner cheap down the road. I’m thinking this will hit high nits at least somewhere between the F and G and hopefully the 75 inch gets enough dimming zones. The backlight is a question too? No one mentioned BMD which is also not a deal breaker for me. The Z9F is a very good looking tv despite not having it. Maybe that’s where they are saving the money to get it at a below 8K Master Series price point?
I haven’t seen any 1st impressions yet from anyone who is at CES.
I’m kinda getting tired for waiting for thee perfect TV! I probably would have gotten the Z9G if they made it in 75 inch.
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The Z8H could be a winner if the blacks and contrast are at least respectable and blooming is at a minimum, cause name an LCD LED that doesn’t have some. I didn’t see anyone mention if it does have X wide either? Also if it has 2.1 hdmi on all 4 ports, I could live with 2 personally! ATSC 3.0 is not a deal breaker! You still have some broadcast channels at 720p, it will be awhile for 4K broadcast on a regular basis and you can always buy an external tuner cheap down the road. I’m thinking this will hit high nits at least somewhere between the F and G and hopefully the 75 inch gets enough dimming zones. The backlight is a question too? No one mentioned BMD which is also not a deal breaker for me. The Z9F is a very good looking tv despite not having it. Maybe that’s where they are saving the money to get it at a below 8K Master Series price point?
I haven’t seen any 1st impressions yet from anyone who is at CES.
I’m kinda getting tired for waiting for thee perfect TV! I probably would have gotten the Z9G if they made it in 75 inch.
It does have X-Wide (darn): https://www.sony.com/electronics/tel...xbr-z8h-series
I haven't see how many ports
It does not have BMD: https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...ent-4747966704
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It does have X-Wide (darn): https://www.sony.com/electronics/tel...xbr-z8h-series
I haven't see how many ports
It does not have BMD: https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...ent-4747966704
I really really wanted a Z9G in 75"


I think we’ll see the Z9G announced in the summer and out in the fall. They did that timeline before with one of the Z’s. I have a 65z9d and I’d definitely be tempted with a 75z9g. After owning the Z9D, I don’t wanna settle for less and it seems like the Z8H will be less if it doesn’t have the BMD.


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I think we’ll see the Z9G announced in the summer and out in the fall. They did that timeline before with one of the Z’s. I have a 65z9d and I’d definitely be tempted with a 75z9g. After owning the Z9D, I don’t wanna settle for less and it seems like the Z8H will be less if it doesn’t have the BMD.


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I think we’️ll see the Z9G announced in the summer and out in the fall. They did that timeline before with one of the Z’️s. I have a 65z9d and I’️d definitely be tempted with a 75z9g. After owning the Z9D, I don’️t wanna settle for less and it seems like the Z8H will be less if it doesn’️t have the BMD.


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curious what the difference of BMD vs no BMD. The contrast ratio on the Z9F left more to be desired.
Some of the backlit drives before BMD we’re pretty good like on the 940C contrast and blacks were really good!
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Some of the backlit drives before BMD we’re pretty good like on the 940C contrast and blacks were really good!
Rasmus from FlatPanelsHD said something similar: https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...ent-4747966704

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Some of the backlit drives before BMD we’re pretty good like on the 940C contrast and blacks were really good!
It may be that LED based sets are all price point driven now. Which is unfortunate for those of us with concerns about burn in.
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curious what the difference of BMD vs no BMD. The contrast ratio on the Z9F left more to be desired.
That's because it was the first iteration of the x-wide and the limited zones. BMD is magical because its individual beams are controlled separately, as opposed to a typical zonal count in a regular FALD display. In other words, the LEDs are more precise in the BMD. This is very helpful for blooming in 1000 + nits of content(HDR). The best non-BMD set was the x940e and depending on the content could compete with the z9d.
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I'm looking at the 900H or the 950H 65 inch. Waiting for more info on them.
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Read in some youtube comments that there may be a Ultimate X1 ii processor in a mid-2020 Z9 series set. Granted this is a YouTube comment with no source but figured I’d add to the hype and speculation... naturally, I’ve been googling like crazy for the next Z9

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The Z8H could be a winner if the blacks and contrast are at least respectable and blooming is at a minimum, cause name an LCD LED that doesn’t have some. I didn’t see anyone mention if it does have X wide either? Also if it has 2.1 hdmi on all 4 ports, I could live with 2 personally! ATSC 3.0 is not a deal breaker! You still have some broadcast channels at 720p, it will be awhile for 4K broadcast on a regular basis and you can always buy an external tuner cheap down the road. I’m thinking this will hit high nits at least somewhere between the F and G and hopefully the 75 inch gets enough dimming zones. The backlight is a question too? No one mentioned BMD which is also not a deal breaker for me. The Z9F is a very good looking tv despite not having it. Maybe that’s where they are saving the money to get it at a below 8K Master Series price point?
I haven’t seen any 1st impressions yet from anyone who is at CES.
I’m kinda getting tired for waiting for thee perfect TV! I probably would have gotten the Z9G if they made it in 75 inch.

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I think we’ll see the Z9G announced in the summer and out in the fall. They did that timeline before with one of the Z’s. I have a 65z9d and I’d definitely be tempted with a 75z9g. After owning the Z9D, I don’t wanna settle for less and it seems like the Z8H will be less if it doesn’t have the BMD.


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If you guys are considering BMD of Z9G to be exceptional then you guys will be disappointed. I was excited at the launch of Z9G and when I visited SONY showroom to check it out after being displayed, I was disappointed as hell. I played two movies Avengers Infinity War and The Dark Knight Rises. Both had fair share of dark scenes to check out and in some scenes blooming was clear but as in all SONY TVs it had no loss of shadow detail(thankfully).


Specially slowcarboost you will be disappointed the most as going from Z9D you can easily notice the difference and feel the dissatisfaction and have unease feeling.


If you guys have not checked the Z9G personally then visit a local store and test it out using a movie you are used to watching and know what to expect. Then decide if it is worth the expenditure even if it had been launched at 75".
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If you guys are considering BMD of Z9G to be exceptional then you guys will be disappointed. I was excited at the launch of Z9G and when I visited SONY showroom to check it out after being displayed, I was disappointed as hell. I played two movies Avengers Infinity War and The Dark Knight Rises. Both had fair share of dark scenes to check out and in some scenes blooming was clear but as in all SONY TVs it had no loss of shadow detail(thankfully).


Specially slowcarboost you will be disappointed the most as going from Z9D you can easily notice the difference and feel the dissatisfaction and have unease feeling.


If you guys have not checked the Z9G personally then visit a local store and test it out using a movie you are used to watching and know what to expect. Then decide if it is worth the expenditure even if it had been launched at 75".
Do you think it’s possible that the Z8H will be better? I’m definitely going to check it out at my local Magnolia.

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Do you think it’s possible that the Z8H will be better? I’m definitely going to check it out at my local Magnolia.

On paper it is not looking that promising. But can only be sure after checking it out when released. Will not be disappointed nor surprised if it is no good.
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I don't have any hopes left for a "real" premium high end (traditional) LCD model by Sony anymore. The only way that could happen, is if they would bring back the OG BMD while ditching the wider viewing angle tech in the process. Personally, I wish Sony would have expanded on the Z9D and continued to improve upon it by releasing newer models, but that ship has sailed unfortunately.

The wait for a Sony MiniLED continues...
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I'm looking at the 900H or the 950H 65 inch. Waiting for more info on them.

The X950H is using the X1 Ultimate Processor, which is the same used in the X950G. The X900H is using the standard X1 Processor. That is a pretty big downgrade there.
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That is a pretty big downgrade there.
It does means nothing. Processor is not bottleneck for shure in Sony TVs.
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Sony will have really dropped the ball if 950H doesnt have 48 gbps and HDMI-VRR ...
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I don't have any hopes left for a "real" premium high end (traditional) LCD model by Sony anymore. The only way that could happen, is if they would bring back the OG BMD while ditching the wider viewing angle tech in the process. Personally, I wish Sony would have expanded on the Z9D and continued to improve upon it by releasing newer models, but that ship has sailed unfortunately.

The wait for a Sony MiniLED continues...

No point in Sony doing MiniLED. The only one who's done it so far is TCL and it was a big disappointment. The Z9D is far superior to it, as are some other traditional FALD LCD sets.

Again, it's not about the number of zones, it's about how good the software is to control them. Like you said, if Sony were to ever have interest again in creating a reference-level LCD, they would simply bring back the BMD. The reason they don't include it today is because it's not cost effective and they have far more interest in OLED.

Sony's future is Crystal LED (MicroLED) and until then OLED is their stop gap. LCD is dead.
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Again, it's not about the number of zones,
it is definitely question about number of zones. 2018-2019 Sony line-up is good enough in many regards but black/contrast is Achilles' heel.
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No point in Sony doing MiniLED. The only one who's done it so far is TCL and it was a big disappointment. The Z9D is far superior to it, as are some other traditional FALD LCD sets.

Again, it's not about the number of zones, it's about how good the software is to control them. Like you said, if Sony were to ever have interest again in creating a reference-level LCD, they would simply bring back the BMD. The reason they don't include it today is because it's not cost effective and they have far more interest in OLED.

Sony's future is Crystal LED (MicroLED) and until then OLED is their stop gap. LCD is dead.

You missed the point that Z9D was first Mini-LED display released to public, yes it was not marketed as Mini-LED as we all know how screwed up SONY marketing department have been to a extent that some times it feels like it is non existent. So is the case with Quantum-Dot technology as SONY was again first to bring in that technology and coined it as Triluminous display and SONY initially never marketed it as Quantum-Dot or Quantum-LED technology and simply stated it to cover wider color range and thats it.



As you correctly stated TCL Mini-LED 8 series is a fail as it has little more zones than what Z9D had and yet unable to utilize that local dimming capability in a proper way.



That is the reason we were expecting to see Mini-LED SONY TV at this CES as price of production has gone down as technology evolved since the launch of Z9D which was a full 4 long Years ago.
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You missed the point that Z9D was first Mini-LED display released to public, yes it was not marketed as Mini-LED as we all know how screwed up SONY marketing department have been to a extent that some times it feels like it is non existent. So is the case with Quantum-Dot technology as SONY was again first to bring in that technology and coined it as Triluminous display and SONY initially never marketed it as Quantum-Dot or Quantum-LED technology and simply stated it to cover wider color range and thats it.



As you correctly stated TCL Mini-LED 8 series is a fail as it has little more zones than what Z9D had and yet unable to utilize that local dimming capability in a proper way.



That is the reason we were expecting to see Mini-LED SONY TV at this CES as price of production has gone down as technology evolved since the launch of Z9D which was a full 4 long Years ago.

Right, and if they ever have a reason to bring the BMD back, they will. But since there's no demand for it (videophiles much prefer OLED at that price range), they won't. Crystal LED is their future and where they're spending the majority of their R&D budget. They have no interest in trying to innovate anything where LCD is concerned. That ship has long sailed.
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it is definitely question about number of zones. 2018-2019 Sony line-up is good enough in many regards but black/contrast is Achilles' heel.

Well yes agreed it is.



The point of SONY holding back is due to lack of competition. As bad as the 2018-19 models of SONY are they are still the best in providing accurate and lossless visual experience. The one area they were lacking was in low latency and high frame rate handling which Z950G improved a lot. But as it is SONY has no competition to push it to its limits. Literally SONY can easily get away simply by re-badging already existing models and providing better software implementation. That is what they are doing.
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It's the Z8H so it's not a master series (whatever that means). Are you saying the X-Wide Angle reduces DSE?
I'm talking about Z9H (potential future Z9 version that may be skipped like Z9E was skipped)
No, I'm not saying that - I'm saying that nobody reported DSE on Z9G

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Right, and if they ever have a reason to bring the BMD back, they will. But since there's no demand for it (videophiles much prefer OLED at that price range), they won't. Crystal LED is their future and where they're spending the majority of their R&D budget. They have no interest in trying to innovate anything where LCD is concerned. That ship has long sailed.

Crystal-LED will take long like at-least another 5Yrs Before we see them ready for consumer market at a meaningful price. Till then they should work on improving the tech they already had success in developing.
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Crystal-LED will take long like at-least another 5Yrs Before we see them ready for consumer market at a meaningful price. Till then they should work on improving the tech they already had success in developing.

5 years isn't as long as it seems. And as I mentioned, OLED is their stop gap until Crystal LED is ready. Sony has a long history with OLED and they're very comfortable with it.

My best advice is to buy one of their OLEDs and enjoy it until Crystal LED arrives. It will hold you over just fine and you'll be more than thrilled with it. Or if you're that stuck on buying an LCD for some reason, get a used Z9D and let that be your holdover set.
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5 years isn't as long as it seems. And as I mentioned, OLED is their stop gap until Crystal LED is ready. Sony has a long history with OLED and they're very comfortable with it.

My best advice is to buy one of their OLEDs and enjoy it until Crystal LED arrives. It will hold you over just fine and you'll be more than thrilled with it. Or if you're that stuck on buying an LCD for some reason, get a used Z9D and let that be your holdover set.

I would have purchased SONY OLED if they had better warranty and service system. 1Yr initial warranty and extremely high price for extended additional 2Yr warranty which brings total of only 3Yr warranty is not good enough as I intend to use it for a long period of time lets say around a decade or more(not as my main TV) before I retire it. For that purpose OLEDs are not suitable for me or for majority of general public. Even if there may or may not be risk of Burn-in there definitely is high risk of panel degradation no matter what SONY or LG claim.
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Yep agree. Got LG OLED and will be waiting till MicroLED or other superior technology will appear on stage.
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I understand making another Z9D is not cost effective, it is a business after all ofcourse.

But for me personally, there are plenty of reasons to prefer another Z9D over any OLED.

Guess I'll be holding on to my Z9Ds until they die or when Sony releases one of their new tech models (whatever and whenever that might be).
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I understand making another Z9D is not cost effective, it is a business after all ofcourse.

But for me personally, there are plenty of reasons to prefer another Z9D over any OLED.

Guess I'll be holding on to my Z9Ds until they die or when Sony releases one of their new tech models (whatever and whenever that might be).
Z9D or for matter of fact any LED TV is good for a decade, no issues there unlike OLED. Yes there will definitely be a better TV launching in coming few years if not this year.
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Why are Sony refusing to upgrade to HDMI 2.1 on their OLED sets?.
Can't understand the logic, as a casual gamer I'm going to get both the PS5 and the Xbox Series X and I was looking forward to their 2020 lineup, but now I will have to get an LG set instead.

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