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You should phone Sony and ask. They told me it is 65 inch and above.
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You should phone Sony and ask. They told me it is 65 inch and above.
It's right on the press release in the first page of this thread:

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X950H [85" class (84.6" diag.), 75" class (74.5" diag.), 65" class (64.5" diag.), 55" class (54.5" diag.) and 49" class (48.5" diag.) models] 4K LED TV features:

·         Offers Sony's best-ever picture and sound quality for 4K LED TVs
·         Utilizes Picture Processor X1 Ultimate to provide crisp, high contrast
·         Full Array LED brings more realistic peaks of brightness, more accurate shadow detail and deeper blacks than standard LED TVs
·         X-Wide Angle technology, which provides vivid real-world colors from any angle while retaining more color and brightness, will be expanded to 55" and 65" for this model
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Am I missing something, or in addition to Sony's (yet again) lackluster TV announcements have they also failed to release any new home theater equipment? No bluray players, no soundbars, no speakers?
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Your name is literally "Cleveland Plasma" and you are telling us that a display won't degrade over time? Ok.
Degradation and burn-in have been known issues on [O]LED since the beginning of that tech. Plenty of reports of burn-in. Not sure what you're expecting for proof here. With TVs, the entire industry side, even dealers, are always pretending there are literally no problems to solve. It's gotten less bad, but it's still a real problem. Far more so than LCD. Maybe less than plasma, at least. I bought a Panasonic G10 years ago. Worst decision I ever made as far as TV purchases go.
Everything degrades over time, except probably for Trex decking...lol. I am taking about things like the light engine of Sony projectors and Rear projection TV's. Literally after random times of use, could be under 10 hours, People can loose like 25% brightness.....
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Sony Z8H is not a master series. Seems like a big downgrade over Z9G.

Why would you say that? I am curious because I am interested in this TV.
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Not shure. 75Z9F had 288 local zones to improve blacks/contrast. X950G is MUCH worse with 60 zones

It appears from the video the Z8H has 360 zones. maybe I am just hopeful
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Be advised on Sony Blu Rays: My 4K X800 failed one month out of warranty. Sent to United Radio, per Sony instructions, for out of warranty repair. After set arrived there, got e-mail saying in-warranty repairs will be shipped replacement, but no spare parts, so no out of warranty repairs to X800. My Sony BR player prior to the X800 was a flimsy piece and when it failed shortly after warranty expired, I just trashed it. I thought differently about the seemingly robust X800. Fool me once....

Man I hope I don't have issues, just bought a nearly new x700 off a guy for $75. Everything I read about both the X700 and X800 were glowing except that the 700 could do DV where you had to get the X2 to get the DV
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Everything degrades over time, except probably for Trex decking...lol. I am taking about things like the light engine of Sony projectors and Rear projection TV's. Literally after random times of use, could be under 10 hours, People can loose like 25% brightness.....
Even LG knows it's a issue(the degrading) with OLED's.



We aren't saying its not worse for OLED's than LED's are we?

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Why would you say that? I am curious because I am interested in this TV.

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Be advised on Sony Blu Rays: My 4K X800 failed one month out of warranty. Sent to United Radio, per Sony instructions, for out of warranty repair. After set arrived there, got e-mail saying in-warranty repairs will be shipped replacement, but no spare parts, so no out of warranty repairs to X800. My Sony BR player prior to the X800 was a flimsy piece and when it failed shortly after warranty expired, I just trashed it. I thought differently about the seemingly robust X800. Fool me once....
Sorry to hear that.

Fortunately, I've never had a problem with Sony BD players since I started buying them back in 2008. From the early day players like the S350 and S550, then the likes of the S470 and S790 and now with my current X800 and X1000ES. Although I must admit the 4K players do have their quirks at times, but nothing major.
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Whats up with the "Full Array Local Dimming" being highly advertised and being pushed forward as a feature by SONY. SONY has been using it for years now and have not marketed it as a main feature till now. Did I miss something or has SONY completely lost it. What does it mean that we are using Full Array Local Dimming which enables us to have brighter images with deeper blacks, whom are they advertising this to. If they had to do they should have done years ago were they sleeping till now.
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Whats up with the "Full Array Local Dimming" being highly advertised and being pushed forward as a feature by SONY. SONY has been using it for years now and have not marketed it as a main feature till now. Did I miss something or has SONY completely lost it. What does it mean that we are using Full Array Local Dimming which enables us to have brighter images with deeper blacks, whom are they advertising this to. If they had to do they should have done years ago were they sleeping till now.
Sounds more like you haven't seen their brochures the last couple of years? Of course they should market this, it's the only way to make HDR halfway decent on an LCD set. So if you are talking about years and years ago then this new focus on FALD is tied into the introduction of HDR.
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It appears from the video the Z8H has 360 zones. maybe I am just hopeful
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Sounds more like you haven't seen their brochures the last couple of years? Of course they should market this, it's the only way to make HDR halfway decent on an LCD set. So if you are talking about years and years ago then this new focus on FALD is tied into the introduction of HDR.

I think you dint get my point there. I said they have using FALD for a long time now(so obviously included in their brochures) but they never showed special interest in pushing it up as a special feature the way they are doing this year.
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CES 2020:The new Sony TVs for 2020. First impressions with OLED and LCD


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For gaming where picture quality is not the main concern I highly recommend LG OLED if you plan on swapping out the TV in every 5-7Yrs. Reason is simple it has low latency, great HDR experience and supports HDMI2.1 since past year. But the main reason is their warranty service which in many countries they are providing 2Yr warranty out of the box and even if it is 1Yr in some countries they are providing additional 3Yr coverage for extremely minimal cost(unlike SONY) this gets total warranty coverage to good 4-5Yrs. If there is Burn-in or panel degradation then it gets replaced no questions asked.
Wait, OLED TV's only last 5 years? 10+ years should be the absolute minimum that is acceptable for any display. Do they really have such a short lifespan? What about LG's claim of 100,000 hours?

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And what? Do you want to use tv for eternity?
I don't wanna babysit my display. With that low input lag and 4k/120 I wanna have my PC,Next Gen consoles hooked up and use them often without worry plus I want over 1000 nits!
OLED no matter how we spin it looks dim compared to nice FALD's.


Buy a warranty? Why go through the trouble?
These manufactures know the issues with the tech and should cover them with the option of additional coverage.
Can't speak to OLED, but I bought a Plasma for use as a gaming TV. Best decision I ever made. Has lasted me nearly a decade, no burn-in or other issues, and in some ways it still looks better than the 4K LCDs I've tried. It's why I have been looking at OLED over LCD, although I do have concerns over their supposed lifespans.


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If the 900 and 950 will have HDMI 2.1 I will probably buy one of those myself. Been waiting on HDMI 2.1 for so dang long. I will need to make sure QMS, QFT, VRR and Freesync (two technologies that do the same thing) are all supported based on my personal requirements.







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Did I miss some posts showing OLED degrade over intense usage?

Your name is literally "Cleveland Plasma" and you are telling us that a display won't degrade over time? Ok.


Degradation and burn-in have been known issues on [O]LED since the beginning of that tech. Plenty of reports of burn-in. Not sure what you're expecting for proof here. With TVs, the entire industry side, even dealers, are always pretending there are literally no problems to solve.


It's gotten less bad, but it's still a real problem. Far more so than LCD. Maybe less than plasma, at least. I bought a Panasonic G10 years ago. Worst decision I ever made as far as TV purchases go.
What do you mean? What happened to your Plasma? No "degradation" or issues of any kind in my Panasonic ST30 from 2011...
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Wait, OLED TV's only last 5 years? 10+ years should be the absolute minimum that is acceptable for any display. Do they really have such a short lifespan? What about LG's claim of 100,000 hours?



Can't speak to OLED, but I bought a Plasma for use as a gaming TV. Best decision I ever made. Has lasted me nearly a decade, no burn-in or other issues, and in some ways it still looks better than the 4K LCDs I've tried. It's why I have been looking at OLED over LCD, although I do have concerns over their supposed lifespans.




What do you mean? What happened to your Plasma? No "degradation" or issues of any kind in my Panasonic ST30 from 2011...
Not only was burn in a concern but phosphor trails and blacks getting greyer over time were Plasma issues.

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Off topic/thread question: I am unable to find the discussion thread on projectors introduced at CES 2020 from sony and others. Can someone point it out to me? Thanks
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Wait, OLED TV's only last 5 years? 10+ years should be the absolute minimum that is acceptable for any display. Do they really have such a short lifespan? What about LG's claim of 100,000 hours?



Can't speak to OLED, but I bought a Plasma for use as a gaming TV. Best decision I ever made. Has lasted me nearly a decade, no burn-in or other issues, and in some ways it still looks better than the 4K LCDs I've tried. It's why I have been looking at OLED over LCD, although I do have concerns over their supposed lifespans.




What do you mean? What happened to your Plasma? No "degradation" or issues of any kind in my Panasonic ST30 from 2011...
Not only was burn in a concern but phosphor trails and blacks getting greyer over time were Plasma issues.
Hmm, I see. Can't say I ever ran into any of these issues tho. For me it is the best display I have ever owned, and still going strong. I mainly just feel the need to replace because of the new Consoles coming out.
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Not only was burn in a concern but phosphor trails and blacks getting greyer over time were Plasma issues.
But blacks looking greyer on LCD is a problem since day one
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Wait, OLED TV's only last 5 years? 10+ years should be the absolute minimum that is acceptable for any display. Do they really have such a short lifespan? What about LG's claim of 100,000 hours?



Can't speak to OLED, but I bought a Plasma for use as a gaming TV. Best decision I ever made. Has lasted me nearly a decade, no burn-in or other issues, and in some ways it still looks better than the 4K LCDs I've tried. It's why I have been looking at OLED over LCD, although I do have concerns over their supposed lifespans.




What do you mean? What happened to your Plasma? No "degradation" or issues of any kind in my Panasonic ST30 from 2011...
I have similar opinion with Plasmas. The colors and image consistency looks fantastic.. and motion.

Really miffed with dark corners and random streaks on most FALD tvs I've seen plus I find skin tones looking weird even 15 degrees off axis.

Loved the 1080p upscaling of Sony though.

I really hope the 950H has all motion interpolation settings available unlike X950G where 900F has all. Yes, more on FOMO as I rarely use SoE but I'd like to have that option.
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Wait, OLED TV's only last 5 years? 10+ years should be the absolute minimum that is acceptable for any display. Do they really have such a short lifespan? What about LG's claim of 100,000 hours?



Can't speak to OLED, but I bought a Plasma for use as a gaming TV. Best decision I ever made. Has lasted me nearly a decade, no burn-in or other issues, and in some ways it still looks better than the 4K LCDs I've tried. It's why I have been looking at OLED over LCD, although I do have concerns over their supposed lifespans.




What do you mean? What happened to your Plasma? No "degradation" or issues of any kind in my Panasonic ST30 from 2011...
I have similar opinion with Plasmas. The colors and image consistency looks fantastic.. and motion.

Really miffed with dark corners and random streaks on most FALD tvs I've seen plus I find skin tones looking weird even 15 degrees off axis.

Loved the 1080p upscaling of Sony though.

I really hope the 950H has all motion interpolation settings available unlike X950G where 900F has all. Yes, more on FOMO as I rarely use SoE but I'd like to have that option.
Yeah, definitely, Plasma is just so consistent and uniform. I do have a few reservations towards OLED however (mainly over lifespan compared to Plasma), which has led to me looking at Sony's 2020 TV's as an alternative option. From my research, it seems that Sony LCD's offer the best overall picture quality and uniformity of modern LCD's (Samsung is close, better even in some ways, but no Dolby Vision turns me off to them). Really frustrated with Sony's current line-up tho. I would want the 950H too, but seemingly only the 900H has the HDMI 2.1 features I want, but it's a step down in other respects, specifically the processor. 😞
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I do have a few reservations towards OLED however (mainly over lifespan compared to Plasma), which has led to me looking at Sony's 2020 TV's as an alternative option. From my research, it seems that Sony LCD's offer the best overall picture quality and uniformity of modern LCD's (Samsung is close, better even in some ways, but no Dolby Vision turns me off to them). Really frustrated with Sony's current line-up tho. I would want the 950H too, but seemingly only the 900H has the HDMI 2.1 features I want, but it's a step down in other respects, specifically the processor. 😞
Im in the exact same boat


i want my 2020 TV to be:
- a 950H / 900H
- or a Q80T / Q90T
- or a C9 / CX


but whatever it is - it HAS to have HDMI 2.1 48 gbps x4 and (40-120 4K) HDMI-VRR (the same one that RTX GPUs and LG 2019 OLEDs currently have)
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