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New video review of the H8G!
https://youtu.be/gwG0dH9iRIg
He likes it - thinks it's a good value TV. He's more of an audio guy, but says this hits the mark (since he probably wouldn't overpay for video anyway). Fair assessment, but not detailed on the technical side. More of a "as I see it" type review.

The good news in all this is the pricing. HiSense laying down the gauntlet on the value end.
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How does the H8G differ from the H9G ?
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He lost me when he claimed it was a 240 Hz panel - it’s 60 Hz. He didn’t mention HDR10+ or Dolby Vision content? He’s testing in a bright room so of course Theater Bright is more accurate, but is it still better in dark room watching?
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How does the H8G differ from the H9G ?
H9G: 120 Hz native panel so better motion; 1000 nits and 2x more dimming zones so better HDR performance
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New video review of the H8G!
https://youtu.be/gwG0dH9iRIg
I'm not sure he knows what he's on about, lol. He's saying to turn OFF the local dimming? Also saying it's the worst local dimming, along with the H8F? LOL okay there. I mean the LD is not the greatest on the H8F but it's competent IMO, and why you'd turn off that feature makes no sense. Just buy a cheaper set w/o LD then like a TCL 5 or the cheaper Hisense R7? One of the improvements to the H8F was more zones and the LD is a significant part of what you're paying for here. If you want to turn that off, just buy a cheaper TV so you're not paying for something that, as this guy basically says, sucks.

I dunno I'm confused, if you think about what he says in the review, he makes it sound like a crap TV even though he pretends like it's amazing in the conclusion At the end he talks about how Vizio P is too bright and then goes on about how the H8G is as good as X900 (F?), X950G ..."and on par with LG Nanocell". Has this guy been doing too many drugs? LOL.

"LG Nanocell" describes more than one model to begin with and LG almost purposely makes crap LCDs and even SM9000 is nowhere even near X950G; SM9500 is better but still... LG makes IPS LCD TVs which are good for off-centre/on-angle vieiwing, yay, but IPS never really makes for a good TV otherwise. It's almost like he's scoring these TVs on colour reproduction and nothing else...either that or too many drugs.

Then he's talking about how these TVs (the whole lot of X900F, X950G, "LG Nanocell", and H8G) are all about the same price , with perhaps the Sony and LG being "a little bit more". A little bit? Oh yeah man 75X950G getting towards the end its model run and is selling for $1000 more on sale, than the just-to-market day-one basically-MSRP price of the 75H8G...but that's just a little bit right?

Okay definitely, definitely too many drugs for this guy I think. I mean he doesn't look like the type perhaps but something is very wrong here. There is no way this TV is gonna be near to an X900/X950 and the price can't be even close. X950G is more like 2x the price, and will be closer to the 3x once the Hisense loses its "new model" price premium. Even by his own review, how can a TV with "the worst local dimming" he's ever seen be "close to" an X900F? And how is an LG LCD TV even mentioned here? Maybe if he brought Samsung in that would make sense but what the heck is he gonna say then, it's close to a Q80R? :lol:

I'm sorry but my head hurts after watching that, I dunno whether to laugh, SMH, or try to figure out what this guy is on or what. Will remember never to watch another review from this guy though.

Guess we'll still have to wait for a real review though it sounds like it's very similar to the H8F with minor improvements which means it should be great for the money. You know as opposed to terrible and amazing all at once, while also being up there with the upper level Sonys

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H9G: 120 Hz native panel so better motion; 1000 nits and 2x more dimming zones so better HDR performance
Thanks. In post 1 by imagic, it does not list a 75" option for the H9G. The H9G will not be offered in a 75" version ?
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I'm not sure he knows what he's on about, lol. He's saying to turn OFF the local dimming? Also saying it's the worst local dimming, along with the H8F? LOL okay there. I mean the LD is not the greatest on the H8F but it's competent IMO, and why you'd turn off that feature makes no sense. Just buy a cheaper set w/o LD then like a TCL 5 or the cheaper Hisense R7? One of the improvements to the H8F was more zones and the LD is a significant part of what you're paying for here. If you want to turn that off, just buy a cheaper TV so you're not paying for something that, as this guy basically says, sucks.

I dunno I'm confused, if you think about what he says in the review, he makes it sound like a crap TV even though he pretends like it's amazing in the conclusion At the end he talks about how Vizio P is too bright and then goes on about how the H8G is as good as X900 (F?), X950G ..."and on par with LG Nanocell". Has this guy been doing too many drugs? LOL.

"LG Nanocell" describes more than one model to begin with and LG almost purposely makes crap LCDs and even SM9000 is nowhere even near X950G; SM9500 is better but still... LG makes IPS LCD TVs which are good for off-centre/on-angle vieiwing, yay, but IPS never really makes for a good TV otherwise. It's almost like he's scoring these TVs on colour reproduction and nothing else...either that or too many drugs.

Then he's talking about how these TVs (the whole lot of X900F, X950G, "LG Nanocell", and H8G) are all about the same price , with perhaps the Sony and LG being "a little bit more". A little bit? Oh yeah man 75X950G getting towards the end its model run and is selling for $1000 more on sale, than the just-to-market day-one basically-MSRP price of the 75H8G...but that's just a little bit right?

Okay definitely, definitely too many drugs for this guy I think. I mean he doesn't look like the type perhaps but something is very wrong here. There is no way this TV is gonna be near to an X900/X950 and the price can't be even close. X950G is more like 2x the price, and will be closer to the 3x once the Hisense loses its "new model" price premium. Even by his own review, how can a TV with "the worst local dimming" he's ever seen be "close to" an X900F? And how is an LG LCD TV even mentioned here? Maybe if he brought Samsung in that would make sense but what the heck is he gonna say then, it's close to a Q80R? :lol:

I'm sorry but my head hurts after watching that, I dunno whether to laugh, SMH, or try to figure out what this guy is on or what. Will remember never to watch another review from this guy though.

Guess we'll still have to wait for a real review though it sounds like it's very similar to the H8F with minor improvements which means it should be great for the money. You know as opposed to terrible and amazing all at once, while also being up there with the upper level Sonys
Why not leave him some constructive criticism in the comments so he can improve? Maybe not the drugs part.
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Why not leave him some constructive criticism in the comments so he can improve? Maybe not the drugs part.
LOL well another thought came to my head afterwards--you know other than drugs :P



Perhaps he got the TV free from Hisense, or he got the TV free and was additionally uh compensated by Hisense? Because first off, I don't put that beyond Hisense as they have some fairly questionable marketing to begin with. Secondly, that's the kind of thing reviews with free products and/or compensation tend to bring about. A "read between the lines" aspect that is saying the product is not good, with a conclusion saying it's "excellent" and stating spectacular things (like, you know, it's as good as X950G ). I mean not even Hisense would have expected someone to say something like that!



I'd comment on YT but seems like a waste of time for such a zany "review". I mean what else is there to do but ask what kind of drugs he's on or accuse him of shilling?
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Why not leave him some constructive criticism in the comments so he can improve? [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG] Maybe not the drugs part.
LOL well another thought came to my head afterwards--you know other than drugs 😛
Perhaps he got the TV free from Hisense, or he got the TV free and was additionally uh compensated by Hisense? Because first off, I don't put that beyond Hisense as they have some fairly questionable marketing to begin with. Secondly, that's the kind of thing reviews with free products and/or compensation tend to bring about. A "read between the lines" aspect that is saying the product is not good, with a conclusion saying it's "excellent" and stating spectacular things (like, you know, it's as good as X950G <img src="https://www.avsforum.com/forum/images/AVSForum/smilies/tango_face_smile_big.png" border="0" alt="" title="Laugh" class="inlineimg" /> ). I mean not even Hisense would have expected someone to say something like that!

I'd comment on YT but seems like a waste of time for such a zany "review". I mean what else is there to do but ask what kind of drugs he's on or accuse him of shilling?
Ahhhh good point about being paid for the review.

I’m expecting an honest review from this gentlemen once he gets his H8G from Amazon. https://youtu.be/JyT09a6PRQE
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I'm not sure he knows what he's on about, lol. He's saying to turn OFF the local dimming? Also saying it's the worst local dimming, along with the H8F? LOL okay there. I mean the LD is not the greatest on the H8F but it's competent IMO, and why you'd turn off that feature makes no sense. Just buy a cheaper set w/o LD then like a TCL 5 or the cheaper Hisense R7? One of the improvements to the H8F was more zones and the LD is a significant part of what you're paying for here. If you want to turn that off, just buy a cheaper TV so you're not paying for something that, as this guy basically says, sucks.

I dunno I'm confused, if you think about what he says in the review, he makes it sound like a crap TV even though he pretends like it's amazing in the conclusion At the end he talks about how Vizio P is too bright and then goes on about how the H8G is as good as X900 (F?), X950G ..."and on par with LG Nanocell". Has this guy been doing too many drugs? LOL.

"LG Nanocell" describes more than one model to begin with and LG almost purposely makes crap LCDs and even SM9000 is nowhere even near X950G; SM9500 is better but still... LG makes IPS LCD TVs which are good for off-centre/on-angle vieiwing, yay, but IPS never really makes for a good TV otherwise. It's almost like he's scoring these TVs on colour reproduction and nothing else...either that or too many drugs.

Then he's talking about how these TVs (the whole lot of X900F, X950G, "LG Nanocell", and H8G) are all about the same price , with perhaps the Sony and LG being "a little bit more". A little bit? Oh yeah man 75X950G getting towards the end its model run and is selling for $1000 more on sale, than the just-to-market day-one basically-MSRP price of the 75H8G...but that's just a little bit right?

Okay definitely, definitely too many drugs for this guy I think. I mean he doesn't look like the type perhaps but something is very wrong here. There is no way this TV is gonna be near to an X900/X950 and the price can't be even close. X950G is more like 2x the price, and will be closer to the 3x once the Hisense loses its "new model" price premium. Even by his own review, how can a TV with "the worst local dimming" he's ever seen be "close to" an X900F? And how is an LG LCD TV even mentioned here? Maybe if he brought Samsung in that would make sense but what the heck is he gonna say then, it's close to a Q80R? :lol:

I'm sorry but my head hurts after watching that, I dunno whether to laugh, SMH, or try to figure out what this guy is on or what. Will remember never to watch another review from this guy though.

Guess we'll still have to wait for a real review though it sounds like it's very similar to the H8F with minor improvements which means it should be great for the money. You know as opposed to terrible and amazing all at once, while also being up there with the upper level Sonys

TBH my head hurts reading your post.

I do agree about the local dimming being a puzzle. I was thinking surely he can't be advising us to leave the local dimming off. Hang on what the heck is dynamic local dimming?
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LOL well another thought came to my head afterwards--you know other than drugs :P



Perhaps he got the TV free from Hisense, or he got the TV free and was additionally uh compensated by Hisense? Because first off, I don't put that beyond Hisense as they have some fairly questionable marketing to begin with. Secondly, that's the kind of thing reviews with free products and/or compensation tend to bring about. A "read between the lines" aspect that is saying the product is not good, with a conclusion saying it's "excellent" and stating spectacular things (like, you know, it's as good as X950G ). I mean not even Hisense would have expected someone to say something like that!



I'd comment on YT but seems like a waste of time for such a zany "review". I mean what else is there to do but ask what kind of drugs he's on or accuse him of shilling?
He makes it clear at the beginning of the video that Hisense sent him the TV to review after being impressed with his review of last years relevant model.
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Ahhhh good point about being paid for the review.

I’m expecting an honest review from this gentlemen once he gets his H8G from Amazon. https://youtu.be/JyT09a6PRQE
Yeah that should be the soonest one too I guess since he says he already ordered. I think his expectations are a little too high though.

He talks about the colour and brightness of the H8F being a step down from the R62x, which is true but not all that important in the real world. For example the colour is better on the R62x than the R61x, due to the QD filter, but that's not really cited as a huge improvement; and the reality is the R61x and R62x are very similar and most people won't even see much difference with real-world content. I don't think the H8G will be any better in terms of brightness because of the QD filter...he seems to think it will be but even Hisense themselves are not really making a big deal about the brightness on the H8G--700 nits is decent for its price range/market segment but nothing great.

QD-filtered LCDs can also have "better colour" than OLEDs but this doesn't really dissuade people from buying OLED TVs--perhaps the burn/degredation and price do, but certainly not this minor tidbit. The truth is with actual content the colour advantage of so-called "QLED" TVs isn't really realised by the average consumer.

To me the way the 6-series stacks up against the H8F is more that the 6-series gets brighter, is better for HDR. The colour may be better but that is negligible. TCL has better response time so has better motion, along with better LD. All of which may seem like a landslide victory for TCL but then you have to consider a few other things. Android v. Roku. I think it's fair to say most people prefer the latter (again on the TCL) but personally I like the idea and potential of Android more. Roku is more proprietary and at least with Android there are ways to do things like "sideload". Next is DSE. DSE is much more of a problem for TCL and their consistency in that area leaves a lot to be desired. Many have returned 6-series sets for what is described as "awful DSE", whereas those kind of complaints don't seem to hit Hisense too often. Also price. I don't think the 6-series has come down as low as the same-size H8Fs and if they have, it's not as often that they sell that low.

For another point of reference, you guys don't get some models over there that we get here in Canada. So just as a story, Hisense released two nearly-identical to each other models here known as the Q8809 and Q7809. (NB: Here the name for the H8F is the H8809 and the H9F is called the Q9809.) So anyway the "Q" naming in Canada tells that it has a QD filter on it. The Q8809 is then therefore somehow positioned as a model "above" the H8809 because of the QD filter on it. So this kind of serves as an example of a QD Hisense that's not at the top end (like the H9F/Q9809).

Well I bought a 55Q8809 as it was a seemingly great price on sale ($500 CAD). The Q8809 also has local dimming but it's a rather weak 10 or 12 "zones" (and the LD didn't even work until fw upgrade). Now I bought that TV and and H8F/H8809. Again they market the TV as being higher than the H8F here and the MSRP is higher but curiously the 55H8809 never drops below $550 here, while the 55Q8809 has come down to $500 on several occasions, along with the nearly-identical Q7809. When you put these two TVs beside each other, the H8F and the Q8809...there really isn't a thing better about the Q8809 set. It's more cheaply built, has less HDMIs (and some of them aren't 2.0), is thicker but somehow lighter weight, no film/dejudder mode, and then the PQ... The low-zone LD makes it similar to a Vizio M6 and not really comparable to the H8F. Also the QD implementation seems to make the viewing angle really bad. And by that I mean I know VA panels are not good in that regard, but it was really bad off-centre or at even a slight angle. So, even the lower end features aside, even just looking at the mighty "quantum dot" aspect, it couldn't hold up to the H8F overall, as a TV. I kept the H8F, returned the Q8809.

The above is how I can't see the H8G being all that much better than the H8F. I've no doubt that it will be better (both TCL and Hisense seem to improve every year) but I don't think it will be a huge difference. Going off the Q8809, the viewing angle may become worse; the addition of more zones should be welcome though. That last part considering you don't follow the advice of "that guy" and turn it off completely, thus making it a waste of money.

I really doubt the H8G will be close to the H9F TBH, meaning its doubtful it will top the R62x never mind the upcoming miniLED 6-series (which is either gonna be late this year or possibly even next year due to you know what going on in the world). The TV simply isn't designed or marketed (even by Hisense marketing who like to play games) as being up to last year's H9F, so the improvements from the H8F are going to be incremental.


In terms of pricing I also think people have forgotten just how much/how fast the H8F was discounted over its life cycle, which is not really a long period of time. In spite of the $100 increase in MSRP for the 65", I don't think it will be long before sales bring it down in general, which will make it even more attractive against 1st tier set prices. Still, I believe it will still be duking it out with the 6-series more than any kind of KO by Hisense.

The H9G I expect to be similarly incremental--improvements on what is already a fantastic set.

Where anyone should be truly excited is the XD9G. The price will be high for a Hisense but that is the impressive tech they have to showcase, but that's not until last this year...again if not next year now.
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LOL that's all well and good and you're entitled to your opinion too. But, at least I'm not getting paid by anyone to provide my opnions. And there are a lot of things that don't make any sense at all in that review, and yes I could have just said that but then surely someone would come along and asked, "what kind of things don't make sense?" So there you have it.

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He makes it clear at the beginning of the video that Hisense sent him the TV to review after being impressed with his review of last years relevant model.
Yeah but sent to him to return or sent to him as a "present"? Also was there an envelope with some cash in the box too? :lol: See this is why sites like Rtings, as much as they may not do amazingly financially, they buy all their own sets...from stores. They're not provided with review samples and aren't paid anything by the manufacturers. Plus, you know, they actually provide empircal data and objective information, in addition to opinion. Their scoring system may have its flaws depending on how you look at it or what you consider important but they also make it easy to use their information to score TVs on your own, with their fairly robust filter/compare system.

So yeah I trust those reviews way more than some yahoo on YT going on about how the LD sucks, must be turned off...oh and BTW it's as good as X950G!
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I bought the Vizio M series from Best Buy a couple weeks ago and returned it last weekend after reading about the H9G.

I LOVE android TV and the idea of having a bezel-built in Google Assistant.

The Vizio M series produced really great picture, but I really like the idea of getting a 2020 tv with really great specs for just a couple hundred bucks more than that 2019 M series.

Still haven't seen if it has HDMI 2.1 yet, hopefully it does.

Does anyone have any guesses on when it will come out? I called Hisense and they said it will be soon, but it all depends on when the manufactures ship to their warehouses.

Since the H8G hit Amazon last week, I would assume the H9G should be available within the next couple of weeks.

Anyone else agree? I'm super anxious to get it!
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Will the H9G be available in a 75" ?
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Doesn't seem like it.

"Both the 55- and 65-inch variants of the H9G cost $100 more than 2019’s H95 models, though. Coming in April 2020, the 55-inch H9G is priced at $699.99 while the 65-inch version is $999.99."

Source: https://www.tomsguide.com/news/hisense-2020-tv-lineup
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Doesn't seem like it.



"Both the 55- and 65-inch variants of the H9G cost $100 more than 2019’s H95 models, though. Coming in April 2020, the 55-inch H9G is priced at $699.99 while the 65-inch version is $999.99."

Source: https://www.tomsguide.com/news/hisense-2020-tv-lineup

If the H9G had HDMI 2.1 it’s would be worth buying it doesn’t. Also having tested a H9F it’s Processors and UI were un useable that’s how slow and cheap the CPU and GPU inside are.

TCL and Hisense didn’t release their models into the market until August or October last year. This year will be the same since they have the same Logistic channels same contracts and same factories.
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If the H9G had HDMI 2.1 it’s would be worth buying it doesn’t. Also having tested a H9F it’s Processors and UI were un useable that’s how slow and cheap the CPU and GPU inside are.

TCL and Hisense didn’t release their models into the market until August or October last year. This year will be the same since they have the same Logistic channels same contracts and same factories.
I'm considering the 75H8G as a replacement for my Sony XBR-65X850D.

One thing I really like is that apparently you can defeat any and all processing if you like. My Sony WILL NOT allow you to shut off adv contrast etc.

I wish it were 120HZ and had 2.1 HDMI, but otherwise, in all respects, it feels like an upgrade to me.

I could afford a more expensive TV, but I am a big bang for buck guy and I consider the law of diminishing returns.

I was also looking at the TCL 8 Series, but I can't get any word on the 2020 availability, plus it is ridiculously expensive comparatively.

I game, but not seriously and I think for $1300 the 75H8G seems like a great value proposition.

As far as the bad FALD, I mean is it really a bad idea to disable it, if it gets near perfect blacks with calibration?

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Where anyone should be truly excited is the XD9G. The price will be high for a Hisense but that is the impressive tech they have to showcase, but that's not until last this year...again if not next year now.

Yup and it's barely mentioned in the first post... lol. Doesn't even cover the tech being used or the gains.


For me I find it really odd when the 1st actual new LCD tech to arrive in YEARS doesn't get more attention. It *finally* puts LCD on the same playing field as OLED without tricks like FALD which have short comings. It'll also be brighter than OLED with no risk of image retention. The only gain OLED might have is viewing angle.

I would think this should should be crazy exciting to all of the videophiles who like LCD tech... even if you're not a fan of Hisense.

IMO it shows how out of touch the majority is to new tech unless someone is pushing/mentioning it. I watched the review that someone posted of the H8G it was horrible; the guy doing it doesn't understand the tech he's talking about. The only thing he did well was talk with a good cadence. Anyway; hopefully Hisense gets it close to right and it gets fairly reviewed by many who know what they are talking about. Right now everyone doing reviews is focused on adding 6000~ leds to the FALD system and sheet brightness. Although FOMO did give it a mention.
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So I was just taking a look at the Amazon listing for the H8G, there are now over 30 questions/answers listed.

Several people asked if this unit has HDMI 2.1 and several Hisenes reps have answered YES.

I'm not sure what to believe at this point.

A couple of interesting things in the Questions/Answers section according to Hisense Reps:

-Same amount of dimming zones across all H8G, only difference is TV Size.
-Android 9 preinstalled
-Four HDMI 2.1 ports
-Supports HDR10+ (is listed in spec sheet)
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So I was just taking a look at the Amazon listing for the H8G, there are now over 30 questions/answers listed.

Several people asked if this unit has HDMI 2.1 and several Hisenes reps have answered YES.

I'm not sure what to believe at this point.

A couple of interesting things in the Questions/Answers section according to Hisense Reps:

-Same amount of dimming zones across all H8G, only difference is TV Size.
-Android 9 preinstalled
-Four HDMI 2.1 ports
-Supports HDR10+ (is listed in spec sheet)
I never understood why people make HDMI 2.1 out to be the bestest thing evar...since sliced bread What's HDMI 2.1 going to do for you on a 4K TV anyway? Next to nothing, that's what!

DSC and higher bandwidth those are only useful for 8K+ and these are not 8K TVs we're talking about...

Things like HFR, VRR and ALLM, I'm pretty sure those are optional features as has always been the case with HDMI standards. I remember this exact same nonsense going on back with HDMI 1.3 when people refused to buy anything the year it was coming, unless it was 1.3...when that really didn't mean much at all. Folks there are HDMI 2.0 devices today that don't have CEC, which was a [optional] feature of HDMI 1.3 (lookin' at you Xbone!)! So just slapping "2.1" on something while supporting none of the "ooh ahh" features some people think are automatically gonna be there? Doesn't. Mean. Anything.

There are also many TVs that already haveALLM and VRR without being HDMI 2.1. I have ALLM on my relatively cheap TCL 5-series. Yeah it's nice to have but it's not some end-all/be-all feature that everyone "must" have.

Hmm, let's see what else? eARC. That could be useful for some but pretty sure there are also already non-2.1 sets that have that. Not sure if that one is mandatory but it probably will be pretty standard among manufacturers, along with ALLM (these are easy to implement). Stuff like VRR and HFR though? I doubt it. Majority of 4K TVs aren't even 120Hz panels so don't see HFR being a standard feature among anyone.

What's the big deal about HDMI 2.1 on a 4K set?
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I never understood why people make HDMI 2.1 out to be the bestest thing evar...since sliced bread What's HDMI 2.1 going to do for you on a 4K TV anyway? Next to nothing, that's what!

DSC and higher bandwidth those are only useful for 8K+ and these are not 8K TVs we're talking about...

Things like HFR, VRR and ALLM, I'm pretty sure those are optional features as has always been the case with HDMI standards. I remember this exact same nonsense going on back with HDMI 1.3 when people refused to buy anything the year it was coming, unless it was 1.3...when that really didn't mean much at all. Folks there are HDMI 2.0 devices today that don't have CEC, which was a [optional] feature of HDMI 1.3 (lookin' at you Xbone!)! So just slapping "2.1" on something while supporting none of the "ooh ahh" features some people think are automatically gonna be there? Doesn't. Mean. Anything.

There are also many TVs that already haveALLM and VRR without being HDMI 2.1. I have ALLM on my relatively cheap TCL 5-series. Yeah it's nice to have but it's not some end-all/be-all feature that everyone "must" have.

Hmm, let's see what else? eARC. That could be useful for some but pretty sure there are also already non-2.1 sets that have that. Not sure if that one is mandatory but it probably will be pretty standard among manufacturers, along with ALLM (these are easy to implement). Stuff like VRR and HFR though? I doubt it. Majority of 4K TVs aren't even 120Hz panels so don't see HFR being a standard feature among anyone.

What's the big deal about HDMI 2.1 on a 4K set?
It doesn't matter to me personally, but it's a big draw for many it seems.
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It doesn't matter to me personally, but it's a big draw for many it seems.
I think it's a big draw only because people are expecting certain things to be there (like VRR) however as with past HDMI standards these features are often optional features meaning "HDMI 2.1" on its own, may not necessarily mean anything. More importantly it might not mean what they want it to mean. Then they get all bent out of shape when they realise..."What do you mean no VRR, it says "HDMI 2.1" in the spec sheet!" :facepalm:

Some people just think "waiting for" and insisting upon "future proof" features is something important when in reality it might not be nearly as important as they make it out to be. Remember all the people that went on about "wait for Kaby Lake!" How'd that turn out for them? lol What about people that made sure to get SATA-Express ports on motherboards

Some features may end up being useless (like SATA-Express) or are useless to the individual. Like why would one "need" VRR if they never do any gaming? Why would eARC be needed if currently they have their AVR handling all the inputs/switching and the TV connected to its output and everything already works fine? Even saying "oh that way you can get eARC from TV apps." Well yeah sure but if Netflix, Amazon, Disney, never implement higher-quality audio, that's not meaningful (and I doubt they will). Are there cases where eARC is good/necessary? Sure but not everybody has to have it, it shouldn't automatically be a "don't buy" if it's a feature that's never going to be used/useful to the buyer anyway. But that's unfortunately the mentality some folks have. "Oh it's not 2.1? I'm not buying that!" Then they jump on the wait for Kaby Lake train, to nowheresville

What's more important here is if the features someone wants are there, whether it be HDMI "2.1" or not. If and all one is looking for are eARC and ALLM...well pretty sure there are "2.0" sets out there that have those things. Either way just make sure what you're buying has those things. OTOH if they buy a set blindly just because it says "2.1" on it and it doesn't have those things? Well there's only themselves to blame.
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I have the 50" of the HG8 and it has an annoyingly bright standby light that you can't turn off. Seems a bit of an oversight to not give you a setting for this, especially as I put this one in a master bedroom.



Off to find the black electrical tape....


Apart from that, I'm still evaluating the TV but it has a very nice picture. Seems dimmer than my Vizios (last two gens of P75) but I haven't played with the colors much on this one yet.


For those stuck with TV speakers, this one is really good for sound. I am puzzled how it sounds so good for just 2x 10 watt speakers. Says it does Atmos but obviously won't compete with a proper surround system. Still, good effort in my opinion.
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That’s some positive news, thanks for sharing! Looking forward to your additional thoughts.

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I have the 50" of the HG8 and it has an annoyingly bright standby light that you can't turn off. Seems a bit of an oversight to not give you a setting for this, especially as I put this one in a master bedroom.



Off to find the black electrical tape....


Apart from that, I'm still evaluating the TV but it has a very nice picture. Seems dimmer than my Vizios (last two gens of P75) but I haven't played with the colors much on this one yet.


For those stuck with TV speakers, this one is really good for sound. I am puzzled how it sounds so good for just 2x 10 watt speakers. Says it does Atmos but obviously won't compete with a proper surround system. Still, good effort in my opinion.
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Looks like the H9G is available for preorder now under MSRP prices.

Hisense 65H9G Quantum Series 65-Inch Android 4K ULED Smart TV with Alexa Compatibility (2020) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B087FDSRV9..._lkJOEbAWF5VW5
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I'm considering the 75H8G as a replacement for my Sony XBR-65X850D.

One thing I really like is that apparently you can defeat any and all processing if you like. My Sony WILL NOT allow you to shut off adv contrast etc.

I wish it were 120HZ and had 2.1 HDMI, but otherwise, in all respects, it feels like an upgrade to me.

I could afford a more expensive TV, but I am a big bang for buck guy and I consider the law of diminishing returns.

I was also looking at the TCL 8 Series, but I can't get any word on the 2020 availability, plus it is ridiculously expensive comparatively.

I game, but not seriously and I think for $1300 the 75H8G seems like a great value proposition.

As far as the bad FALD, I mean is it really a bad idea to disable it, if it gets near perfect blacks with calibration?
TCL 8 becomes TCL 6 this year. Expect better pricing, HDMI 2.1, and some performance improvements. If they get QA right, could be the best TV this year.
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TCL 8 becomes TCL 6 this year. Expect better pricing, HDMI 2.1, and some performance improvements. If they get QA right, could be the best TV this year.
THANKS!

I am also looking at the Vizio Quantum X PX75-G1. I would really like to move away from supporting the Chinese Government as much as possible.

That being said, the 8 series was on my short list and if the 2020 6 IS this years 8 and the price is right, I may jump.

I can't get any info on new product line availability though. I know the supply chain is all messed up, but...
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Any comments on motion with the H8G? In fast moving scenes, sports, etc?

Last years model had a slow response time from what was reported.

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I have the 50" of the HG8 and it has an annoyingly bright standby light that you can't turn off. Seems a bit of an oversight to not give you a setting for this, especially as I put this one in a master bedroom.



Off to find the black electrical tape....


Apart from that, I'm still evaluating the TV but it has a very nice picture. Seems dimmer than my Vizios (last two gens of P75) but I haven't played with the colors much on this one yet.


For those stuck with TV speakers, this one is really good for sound. I am puzzled how it sounds so good for just 2x 10 watt speakers. Says it does Atmos but obviously won't compete with a proper surround system. Still, good effort in my opinion.
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