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2020 mini-LED LCDs

2020 mini-LED LCD TVs will become consumer products. Unfortunately there are mini-LED LCD product demos with folks making all sort of claims without launching an actual product, the Samsung 85'' Q9S is a example of that. Post only mini-LED LCDs for sale/pre order/on manufacturers site in 2020 here...

- TCL 8 Series mini-LED LCD Owner thread AVS. For sale in the USA. 8 series are 65Q825 and 75Q825 which has approximately 1,000 zones.
- TCL 65X10 mini-LED LCD at TCLcom For sale in Germany currently. 65X10 has 768 zones (probably the same number of zones as the 65Q825)

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Here's a review of the TCL 65X10 with comparisons to the Samsung Q90R.
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Any difference between Mini and Micro LED displays or are they both the same ? TIA !

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Any difference between Mini and Micro LED displays or are they both the same ? TIA !
this is actually becoming a complicated question and is getting more into some murky waters.


As we know it today, micro led is emissive and is completely different.

mini led i just a backlight of thousands and thousands of leds that gets split down into dimming zones and still uses an LCD panel.


Heres where it gets murky and most people probably wont care. But according to some in the micro led industry, in order to qualify as being micro led, the leds need to be a certain size. And they are claiming that Samsungs Micro Led known as "the wall" and its smaller sizes, have leds that are too large to qualify as micro led, even though the technology is emissive in nature, they claim this means the leds are mini and not micro. So maybe super technically, its an emissive mini led tv? lol FYI, believe they said it needs to be 50um or 15um to qualify, and Samsung is using 135um sizes.
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A mini-LED LCD is basically a LCD that uses very tiny LEDs instead of normal sized LEDs. Even tinier are micro-LEDs which are basically used in a new TV tech called microLED TV which is self-emissive like OLED and Plasma.

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this is a link I have posted in another thread long time ago

https://www.ledinside.com/news/2018/...d_and_mini_led
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this is actually becoming a complicated question and is getting more into some murky waters.


As we know it today, micro led is emissive and is completely different.

mini led i just a backlight of thousands and thousands of leds that gets split down into dimming zones and still uses an LCD panel.


Heres where it gets murky and most people probably wont care. But according to some in the micro led industry, in order to qualify as being micro led, the leds need to be a certain size. And they are claiming that Samsungs Micro Led known as "the wall" and its smaller sizes, have leds that are too large to qualify as micro led, even though the technology is emissive in nature, they claim this means the leds are mini and not micro. So maybe super technically, its an emissive mini led tv? lol FYI, believe they said it needs to be 50um or 15um to qualify, and Samsung is using 135um sizes.
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A mini-LED LCD is basically a LCD that uses very tiny LEDs instead of normal sized LEDs. Even tinier are micro-LEDs which are basically used in a new TV tech called microLED TV which is self-emissive like OLED and Plasma.

Thank you for your response. After posting my question I stopped being lazy and looked into this myself and came across this article which answered my question :
https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...d-vs-mini-led/

It looks like I will holding on to my 4K TV for another year or two !

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In the US TCL launched the 65''/75'' 8 series (Q825) mini-LED LCDs Rtings Q825 review

It looks like the 8 series and the X10 were launched end 2019. The 8 series seems to be for the US market and the X10 for the european market (as well as Japan etc..). They look different and have slightly different specs.
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Here's a review of the TCL 65X10 with comparisons to the Samsung Q90R.
Very curious to see what happens when Vidrian is released. I hope they announce before April and have some reviews out because I'm likely going to get an CX or C9 around that time. I was hoping to check out Vidrian before I buy the TV I'm gonna own for the next 4 to 5 years!

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All of this just has to do with the backlighting, not the actual LCD panel?
IOW's the same narrow VA viewing angle?

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All of this just has to do with the backlighting, not the actual LCD panel?
IOW's the same narrow VA viewing angle?
Yes. It is like a modernised version of a FALD.
Mini-LED Katzmaier C|NET
''from what i've seen of the 8-series (1,000 zones), they do lead to better picture quality. The main reason seems to be because the smaller LEDs are able to be grouped into more local dimming zones.''
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Very curious to see what happens when Vidrian is released. I hope they announce before April and have some reviews out because I'm likely going to get an CX or C9 around that time. I was hoping to check out Vidrian before I buy the TV I'm gonna own for the next 4 to 5 years!
I wouldn't expect Vidrian until the end of the year. Similar to when the 8 Series came out.

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Yes. It is like a modernised version of a FALD.
Mini-LED Katzmaier C|NET
''from what i've seen of the 8-series (1,000 zones), they do lead to better picture quality. The main reason seems to be because the smaller LEDs are able to be grouped into more local dimming zones.''
If I remember correctly, the new version of Mini LED sets that TCL will debut this year called Vidrian, uses a different manufacturing process where the Mini LEDs are fused to the glass? Have to watch the interview again. Think it was supposed to help with viewing angle, brightness, and thinness.

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If I remember correctly, the new version of Mini LED sets that TCL will debut this year called Vidrian, uses a different manufacturing process where the Mini LEDs are fused to the glass? Have to watch the interview again. Think it was supposed to help with viewing angle, brightness, and thinness.
That's exactly right. I've watched everything i could on that. But based on the release date, I'll (they'll) miss that purchasing window.

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According a avforums article posted today

The company’s latest iteration of the technology sees the brand name Vidrian emerge as a reference to the Mini LEDs being directly applied to the glass to minimise the filters between the backlight and the LCD. Vidrian also incorporates a switch from passive matrix to active matrix technology which allows more energy to be delivered, resulting in higher brightness, better contrast and higher screen uniformity.
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According a avforums article posted today

The company’s latest iteration of the technology sees the brand name Vidrian emerge as a reference to the Mini LEDs being directly applied to the glass to minimise the filters between the backlight and the LCD. Vidrian also incorporates a switch from passive matrix to active matrix technology which allows more energy to be delivered, resulting in higher brightness, better contrast and higher screen uniformity.
Don't care that much about even higher brightness but some decent screen uniformity from TCL would be nice plus dimming algorithms that can properly control all those zones.
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