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Sony Z9G Owners Thread (No Price Talk)

I thought it was time for someone to begin this thread - and how better to start if not with pictures like these attached
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I take it the one on the cabinet is the 85Z9G. What kind of TV is the one on the ground?
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It's smaller brother 65" ZD9
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Could some of the owners provide default value for gamma on custom - I do not want to reset to default if I don't have to...
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It's smaller brother 65" ZD9
Oh now I know why it looks better than the big one.
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It's smaller brother 65" ZD9
Nice!

I see you've hooked up the same source to both sets. Did you by any chance played dark content and/or content with letterbox bars in HDR and checked how the Z9G holds up with regards to blooming control when compared to the 65Z9D?
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Could some of the owners provide default value for gamma on custom - I do not want to reset to default if I don't have to...
Gamma 0 for HDR, Gamma -2 for SDR

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Nice!

I see you've hooked up the same source to both sets. Did you by any chance played dark content and/or content with letterbox bars in HDR and checked how the Z9G holds up with regards to blooming control when compared to the 65Z9D?

Yes same source: netflix, hbogo, cable TV (this was a hassle to setup - Onkyo AVR saved the day here)
I haven't done a lot's of settings tweeking - just running Custom (netflix calibrated for netflix), changed Motion, Reality creation, brightness and color temp (and offed that stupid stupid light sensor)
First I must say pictures are taken in front of Z9D and on little angle to Z9G (cause it can take it )
Also important is that my phone is obviously confused(and I'm no expert neither) with this setup and do not know what to focus - so if it focus on D than D looks better, if it focus on G than G is better (visavi sharpness). To my eye, they are preety the same - D is smaller so picture looks sharper, but when I bring it a little bit closer than G - than they are very very close (again I'm talking only of sharpness here)
I manage to take a quick look at bunch of different things but will continue for weekend
As far as blooming in letterbars in HDR/DV content - G is worse than D (in SDR not an issue for both)
But blooming in content itself - around letters on screen (credits, subtitles) - strangely seems better on G
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Gamma 0 for HDR, Gamma -2 for SDR
Tnx, I unforunatelly learned it the hard way - I had to factory reset cause netflix started to misbehaive - it was repeatedly pausing
At the end - it wasn't the TV - it was stupid Onkyo and stupid HDMI split (when I disconected D I didn't stop Onkyo from outputting still to both Sub and MAIN HDMI output - changing this made netflix to work normal again - that was an hour of my life I could spent better )

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Yes same source: netflix, hbogo, cable TV (this was a hassle to setup - Onkyo AVR saved the day here)
I haven't done a lot's of settings tweeking - just running Custom (netflix calibrated for netflix), changed Motion, Reality creation, brightness and color temp (and offed that stupid stupid light sensor)
First I must say pictures are taken in front of Z9D and on little angle to Z9G (cause it can take it )
Also important is that my phone is obviously confused(and I'm no expert neither) with this setup and do not know what to focus - so if it focus on D than D looks better, if it focus on G than G is better (visavi sharpness). To my eye, they are preety the same - D is smaller so picture looks sharper, but when I bring it a little bit closer than G - than they are very very close (again I'm talking only of sharpness here)
I manage to take a quick look at bunch of different things but will continue for weekend
As far as blooming in letterbars in HDR/DV content - G is worse than D (in SDR not an issue for both)
But blooming in content itself - around letters on screen (credits, subtitles) - strangely seems better on G
Thanks for the findings in your reply. I take it as far as HDR brightness goes, the Z9G looks amazing (even more so than the Z9D)!

Obviously, PQ itself can never be judged by looking at these photographs. They're just for fun and it sure looks nice having an 85" set in your living room along with a 65" next to it.

You're not keeping the latter for the bedroom then?
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Thanks for the findings in your reply. I take it as far as HDR brightness goes, the Z9G looks amazing (even more so than the Z9D)!

Obviously, PQ itself can never be judged by looking at these photographs. They're just for fun and it sure looks nice having an 85" set in your living room along with a 65" next to it.

You're not keeping the latter for the bedroom then?

Yes, I took those just for fun (I have bunch of them more) - but no they are not real represenatation of PQ
So here is my short comparison of the two
To my eyes in these couple of days I could say those two are damn close (I know there are many that cannot believe this based on what one can find on internet):
- Obviously HDR highlights pops more on G (but it depends on what are you watching this is not so often as one could think)
- Blacks on G are way better than I expected based on info available on Internet or seing it in store (But I guess Vincent was closest when he measured black levels of G alpari with D(around 0,03 for both I think on 4x4 checkerboard))
- so blacks seem to be comparable in blackness - only thing I managed to see is lack of details in blacks on G (but only in extreme situations, and only if you look only at that small part of the screen, and only if black part is not big(I guess cause intesity of surrounding brightness)) - I will try to see if I can remedy this via Gama/Brightness(or maybe ACE or something similar which I may have enabled on some sources on D and not yet on G) but not influecing the overall black darkness
- whites are way more white on G (not only brighter(HDR) but also whiter(SDR)) - this maybe related to the fact I like to use clearness 1 (and it seems it not only lovers the brightness but changes the white tone aswell - but not so on G as on D - I guess cause of that "partial frame motion interpolation" on G)
- no DSE(maybe some hints of it in very rear situations, but I mean hints, not clasic DSE, more like DSE that is transparent(I know this sounds crazy - but I'm very sensitive on this)) as oposed to mine Z9D which has some visible classic DSE(especially when watching footbal)
- watching sports way beter on G solely cause of the very clean panel
- motion is the same or a little bit better on G
- OS way better, snapier and layout is more logical on G
- built quality - way better on G - no flimsy panel - everything is rock solid - TV could be mounted on a tenk(and used as front lights pushing 3600nits)
- blooming:
in menus - way worse on D
in letterboxes - worse on G
in content (subtitles, credits) - worse on D

I must admit I took this time just to be able to see if the PQ that I could see with my eyes is in the same ballpark as D
So it's like D was a reference monitor and I tryed to get the G to look as closest as it can - and so far I can say it can look very close (not looking to the things I know G is better(angles, nits, size etc))
And this is true on all of my available sources that I can double on two screens simultaneosly (practically everytihng except PS4PRO(stupid Onkyo do not do HDR/DV passthrow so I cannot do what I did with cableTV))
Only thing I still havent been able to acomplish is those Black details in certain situations and bloming in letter boxes (but neiher of this I'm to sensitive to)


And yes, I know what you're all thinking - 20" more would make everything seem to look beter than it actually is - this concernes me too, and hope honeymoon period will be over for weekend so I can do some objectiv comparison

The decission about bedroom (55930D currently) is still not made (in my bedroom setup depth of the TV is an issue) - although for everything else Z9D would be a great bedroom TV (darkness, view from dead center)
To be honest decission of keeping the G is still not made - but so far it feels good - hope I will made final decission after this weekend
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Thanks again for your detailed post and nice pictures.

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Are you using the same picture settings you used on Z9D? Could you post what you changed or what you used? My Z9G has shipped and I am awaiting in anticipation to finally go bigger after 2 years and replace my Z9D

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Are you using the same picture settings you used on Z9D? Could you post what you changed or what you used? My Z9G has shipped and I am awaiting in anticipation to finally go bigger after 2 years and replace my Z9D

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Yes, preety much, although I haven't changed much: picture mode custom, motion (clearness 2), brightness (actually settled back on default 35), noise reduction (to low) for cable TV (SDR HD) and HBOGO
For netflix I use netflix calibrated mode with just brightness and motion changed
For HDR gaming I just use game mode for now, just finished last Lara Croft and everything looked great without changing anything (I tryed to play with motion a little bit but there was really no need, I think I ended up with off, or custom with everything on min, I cannot tell for sure)
Light sensor to off (I realy do not like it)
You need to enable enhanced mode on HDMI in order to receive HDR (just like you had to do on Z9D)
I have done professional calibration(calMAN) since I took all those pictures (got those two new pro picture modes) - but I think if I retook all those pictures you couldn't see any difference (cause pictures are not exact representation of how TV looks, and changes that had been done weren't big)
Your Z9D is 75" or 65"? mine is 65 and going to 85 is really joyable experience

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Yes, preety much, although I haven't changed much: picture mode custom, motion (clearness 2), brightness (actually settled back on default 35), noise reduction (to low) for cable TV (SDR HD) and HBOGO
For netflix I use netflix calibrated mode with just brightness and motion changed
For HDR gaming I just use game mode for now, just finished last Lara Croft and everything looked great without changing anything (I tryed to play with motion a little bit but there was really no need, I think I ended up with off, or custom with everything on min, I cannot tell for sure)
Light sensor to off (I realy do not like it)
You need to enable enhanced mode on HDMI in order to receive HDR (just like you had to do on Z9D)
I have done professional calibration(calMAN) since I took all those pictures (got those two new pro picture modes) - but I think if I retook all those pictures you couldn't see any difference (cause pictures are not exact representation of how TV looks, and changes that had been done weren't big)
Your Z9D is 75" or 65"? mine is 65 and going to 85 is really joyable experience
What device do you use for streaming? Do you use the internal apps on tv for netflix and amazon? I have been using first gen samsung 4k bluray player to play movies as well as stream everything else on.

What your feelings about internal apps?

What your feelings on Dolby Vision? I find it to be very dark.

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Yes, preety much, although I haven't changed much: picture mode custom, motion (clearness 2), brightness (actually settled back on default 35), noise reduction (to low) for cable TV (SDR HD) and HBOGO
For netflix I use netflix calibrated mode with just brightness and motion changed
For HDR gaming I just use game mode for now, just finished last Lara Croft and everything looked great without changing anything (I tryed to play with motion a little bit but there was really no need, I think I ended up with off, or custom with everything on min, I cannot tell for sure)
Light sensor to off (I realy do not like it)
You need to enable enhanced mode on HDMI in order to receive HDR (just like you had to do on Z9D)
I have done professional calibration(calMAN) since I took all those pictures (got those two new pro picture modes) - but I think if I retook all those pictures you couldn't see any difference (cause pictures are not exact representation of how TV looks, and changes that had been done weren't big)
Your Z9D is 75" or 65"? mine is 65 and going to 85 is really joyable experience
I have a 75" now going to the 85"

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What device do you use for streaming? Do you use the internal apps on tv for netflix and amazon? I have been using first gen samsung 4k bluray player to play movies as well as stream everything else on.

What your feelings about internal apps?

What your feelings on Dolby Vision? I find it to be very dark.

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I'm using internal apps and I'm very satisfied. I was satisfied on D but on G they work even better. I'm getting Atmos from Netflix now
DV in internal Netflix app is extremely good, extremely bright, just this morning I watched Our Planet on Netflix in DV and it was bright as hell - subtitles where scorching - thanks Netflix for enabling us to use semi-transparent subs to resolve this
No blooming around semi-transparent subs aswell


On the other note - The Beast is finally on the wall (Vogels 50080) - it was a struggle to put it there but it was worth it - it looks amazing now even when off
Tnx to designers cause even thow one would think that so close to the wall (1") connecting cables would be impossible - that was actually preety easy cause of the design of the back of the TV (there is like a passage for the hand to get to the terminals)


I also really like new remote, maybe not so much color of it, but the way how it lays in hand

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I'm using internal apps and I'm very satisfied. I was satisfied on D but on G they work even better. I'm getting Atmos from Netflix now
DV in internal Netflix app is extremely good, extremely bright, just this morning I watched Our Planet on Netflix in DV and it was bright as hell - subtitles where scorching - thanks Netflix for enabling us to use semi-transparent subs to resolve this
No blooming around semi-transparent subs aswell


On the other note - The Beast is finally on the wall (Vogels 50080) - it was a struggle to put it there but it was worth it - it looks amazing now even when off
Tnx to designers cause even thow one would think that so close to the wall (1") connecting cables would be impossible - that was actually preety easy cause of the design of the back of the TV (there is like a passage for the hand to get to the terminals)


I also really like new remote, maybe not so much color of it, but the way how it lays in hand
Thanks for your response and input. I think I will start using internal apps as well

I am having a buddy who owns a welding shop build me a custom wall mount that's going to make the tv come out 30" into the room so it's the optimum viewing distance from the couch that's against the other wall.

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I'm using internal apps and I'm very satisfied. I was satisfied on D but on G they work even better. I'm getting Atmos from Netflix now
DV in internal Netflix app is extremely good, extremely bright, just this morning I watched Our Planet on Netflix in DV and it was bright as hell - subtitles where scorching - thanks Netflix for enabling us to use semi-transparent subs to resolve this
No blooming around semi-transparent subs aswell


On the other note - The Beast is finally on the wall (Vogels 50080) - it was a struggle to put it there but it was worth it - it looks amazing now even when off
Tnx to designers cause even thow one would think that so close to the wall (1") connecting cables would be impossible - that was actually preety easy cause of the design of the back of the TV (there is like a passage for the hand to get to the terminals)


I also really like new remote, maybe not so much color of it, but the way how it lays in hand
I just received mine today and have been watching it. I have noticed when I popped in La La Land in 4k bluray in the total dark scene at 113 when he's on stage, it shoots a spot light on him. The rest of the screen is dark grey like it's an edge lit tv. I couldn't believe it so I went out to garage and hooked up Z9D and rest of screen was total black and you couldn't make out what the edges were. Am I missing something? is this tv that much of a toilet?

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I'm using internal apps and I'm very satisfied. I was satisfied on D but on G they work even better. I'm getting Atmos from Netflix now
DV in internal Netflix app is extremely good, extremely bright, just this morning I watched Our Planet on Netflix in DV and it was bright as hell - subtitles where scorching - thanks Netflix for enabling us to use semi-transparent subs to resolve this
No blooming around semi-transparent subs aswell


On the other note - The Beast is finally on the wall (Vogels 50080) - it was a struggle to put it there but it was worth it - it looks amazing now even when off
Tnx to designers cause even thow one would think that so close to the wall (1") connecting cables would be impossible - that was actually preety easy cause of the design of the back of the TV (there is like a passage for the hand to get to the terminals)


I also really like new remote, maybe not so much color of it, but the way how it lays in hand
I figured it out. Something is wrong with local dimming. The setting High doesn't seem to be working. Does your local dimming work on "High". I set up my tv yesterday, there is no dif between settings of High and medium which makes tv look like it's edge lit cause you can see the light on the screen.

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I just received mine today and have been watching it. I have noticed when I popped in La La Land in 4k bluray in the total dark scene at 113 when he's on stage, it shoots a spot light on him. The rest of the screen is dark grey like it's an edge lit tv. I couldn't believe it so I went out to garage and hooked up Z9D and rest of screen was total black and you couldn't make out what the edges were. Am I missing something? is this tv that much of a toilet?

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The edges on my 75" Z9D are grey and ugly looking during that part from my 8 feet viewing distance because of the poor viewing angle of the Z9D. The black in that scene isn't supposed to be pure black, it's a near black which is why it looks like crap.
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The edges on my 75" Z9D are grey and ugly looking during that part from my 8 feet viewing distance because of the poor viewing angle of the Z9D. The black in that scene isn't supposed to be pure black, it's a near black which is why it looks like crap.
I went out to the garage and hooked up my z9d to the same scene and it's complete black. Can't see edges of screen. on z9g you can see everything...

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The edges on my 75" Z9D are grey and ugly looking during that part from my 8 feet viewing distance because of the poor viewing angle of the Z9D. The black in that scene isn't supposed to be pure black, it's a near black which is why it looks like crap.
I went out to the garage and hooked up my z9d to the same scene and it's complete black. Can't see edges of screen. on z9g you can see everything...

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Hi all –

New to the forum… I’m considering purchase of an 85Z9G after seeing it at Value Electronics last month.

My last panel was a 1080p Pioneer Kuro. Technology has changed massively. In the past, I routed all my inputs into the AV receiver and ran an HDMI cable to the panel.

With the processing power on the Z9G, would it now make more sense to route Ethernet, cable and Ultra Blu-Ray directly to the Z9G? If I purchase an eARC capable A/V receiver and understand what I read, the Z9G could feed the receiver audio over eARC HDMI.

Are there any flaws to a configuration like that?

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I went out to the garage and hooked up my z9d to the same scene and it's complete black. Can't see edges of screen. on z9g you can see everything...
That scene shouldn't be complete black though. Either you're crushing the blacks on your Z9D or the lighting in your garage is making it appear completely black.
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I figured it out. Something is wrong with local dimming. The setting High doesn't seem to be working. Does your local dimming work on "High". I set up my tv yesterday, there is no dif between settings of High and medium which makes tv look like it's edge lit cause you can see the light on the screen.



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There isn't a large difference between medium and high if it acts the same as my Z9F. It changes the nit output just slightly very small pattern which for SDR increases the contrast ratio by about 400.

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There isn't a large difference between medium and high if it acts the same as my Z9F. It changes the nit output just slightly very small pattern which for SDR increases the contrast ratio by about 400.

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I have noticed the local dimming does look better while watching other movies but not enough to justify the cost. Can't see any improvements over current Z9D It's being picked back up friday to go back to the liquidators, will just utilize my z9d closer to couch until the Vizio quantum 85" comes out...
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I recently bought a 75" Z9F that is being returned due to a boatload of dead pixels. I like the Z9F overall, but my biggest complaint far and away with that TV is the terrible blooming into the cinemascope bars, especially in HDR. Does the Z9G handle blooming, especially black bar blooming, better than the Z9F? The thought of watching Mad max fury road at nearly 4k nits gets me excited, but not if the bars turn dirty chalk board grey like my Z9F does. Anyone here have experience with both of these TV's?

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