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Please be real, please be real.

Also, please let the 85" be part of that launch!
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Pretty disappointing that we are just a few weeks away from being halfway done with 2020 and Vizio hasn't communicated anything about their 2020 lineup... that they announced in January...
Not announcing anything is a real sign of worry to me. That and Sony introducing the 85" 800, 900, & 950 at prices that were far below what I think Vizio was expecting really opens up the possibility that this TV will never be made and that Vizio's just moving onto the OLED front.
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Not announcing anything is a real sign of worry to me. That and Sony introducing the 85" 800, 900, & 950 at prices that were far below what I think Vizio was expecting really opens up the possibility that this TV will never be made and that Vizio's just moving onto the OLED front.
I completely agree. Sony was surprisingly competitive this year at the 85" level. Even right now on Slickdeals you can preorder the CX 77" OLED for $4K.

Looking at the pricing history, the Vizio Quantum X has always cost almost exactly the same as the Sony X900 series. I'm impressed with the price of the Sony X900H and Vizio will have to match it like they always have.
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Looking at the pricing history, the Vizio Quantum X has always cost almost exactly the same as the Sony X900 series. I'm impressed with the price of the Sony X900H and Vizio will have to match it like they always have.
I haven't heard any good things about the x900 series or even the newer X950 series..and has only like 24 dimming zones..

I'm holding out for the Vizio… hopefully the 85" Quantum X will be worth the wait...
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Define 'haven't heard anything good'...

I've seen the X900H and spent some time with it.

- Less blooming (basically not an issue compared with other models)
- ATSC 3.0 Tuner
- Wonderful accuracy and motion
- Bright enough especially at larger sizes
- VRR & ALL modes
- Super fast GUI
- 3 Year Warranty (or 5-7) from Costco
- $2799 for the 85"

I am willing to wait until 6/30 for the Vizio reveal and to check it out... but money is leaning HARD towards that X900H...

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I haven't heard any good things about the x900 series or even the newer X950 series..and has only like 24 dimming zones..

I'm holding out for the Vizio… hopefully the 85" Quantum X will be worth the wait...
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Looking at the pricing history, the Vizio Quantum X has always cost almost exactly the same as the Sony X900 series. I'm impressed with the price of the Sony X900H and Vizio will have to match it like they always have.
As to matching, I don't think they expected an immediate price reduction/change from Sony. Lots of catch-up for Vixio.
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I exercised restraint... and I hate myself for it! Samsung took back my 82” Q70R yesterday. A VERY VERY generous check is on the way. I could have placed the order for the 85” X900H. I am almost certain there’d be no regrets... but the damn much brighter Vizio 85” PQX with 800 zones and ALL HDR formats Supported is right around the corner. I’ve waited THIS long to get it right. I can wait a few more weeks. I have to see it. In the meantime, I put my old 55” 2015 Samsung 4k 3D set in the living room. It looks like a child’s toy or computer monitor now. But I can adjust for a few weeks.
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I exercised restraint... and I hate myself for it! Samsung took back my 82” Q70R yesterday. A VERY VERY generous check is on the way. I could have placed the order for the 85” X900H. I am almost certain there’d be no regrets... but the damn much brighter Vizio 85” PQX with 800 zones and ALL HDR formats Supported is right around the corner. I’ve waited THIS long to get it right. I can wait a few more weeks. I have to see it. In the meantime, I put my old 55” 2015 Samsung 4k 3D set in the living room. It looks like a child’s toy or computer monitor now. But I can adjust for a few weeks.
I did NOT exercise restraint... after I saw that Costco.com had the 85” 900H (or 90CH on the Costco model). I’ll still follow this thread to see how people like the 85” Vizio, because from the little we know it sounds like it sounds promising.
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I do not blame you not one bit! I put it in the cart, I put in credit card info... but I’ve had the Vizio on my brain since CES. The absolute TOP of their line with every feature we could want including 800 zones vs a mid-tier Sony with 32 zones and much less light output. Also the new gaming engine and processors on the PQX are VERY promising.

Some background: I had the Vizio P75-F1 in my house in 2018 testing next to a much higher caliber set from an S brand. It was damn close. Like WAY too close. And the Vizio mopped the floor with it on black levels and some other details. But that version of Smartcast was so slow it ultimately moved me away from it. This new TV could be a game changer. And it it isn’t, I do t expect Sony to RAISE the MSRP.

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I exercised restraint... and I hate myself for it! Samsung took back my 82” Q70R yesterday. A VERY VERY generous check is on the way. I could have placed the order for the 85” X900H. I am almost certain there’️d be no regrets... but the damn much brighter Vizio 85” PQX with 800 zones and ALL HDR formats Supported is right around the corner. I’️ve waited THIS long to get it right. I can wait a few more weeks. I have to see it. In the meantime, I put my old 55” 2015 Samsung 4k 3D set in the living room. It looks like a child’️s toy or computer monitor now. But I can adjust for a few weeks.
I did NOT exercise restraint... after I saw that Costco.com had the 85” 900H (or 90CH on the Costco model). I’️ll still follow this thread to see how people like the 85” Vizio, because from the little we know it sounds like it sounds promising.
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Vizio Pricing Compared to 2019

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I did NOT exercise restraint... after I saw that Costco.com had the 85” 900H (or 90CH on the Costco model). I’ll still follow this thread to see how people like the 85” Vizio, because from the little we know it sounds like it sounds promising.
I'm almost there. This thing wasn't there until some time after 11pm EST. I looked online yesterday and at an actual site.

Samsung Q8DT/Q80T is almost $1k more - uh oh! This is why I don't think Vizio will be reducing it's price to anywhere near the 900H. If Sammy won't, is it really even possible for Vizio?

Also just for others who might be interested even though not specific to the Vizio or Sony, the 77" CX and C9 are virtually the same price. Costco/LG not discounting last year's model is a bit surprising.

I wouldn't buy a Vizio outside Costco. The return/exchange process Costco offers would be necessary for me to gamble on the quality. Costco TVs often tend to have added warranty time.

Oh, and one more thing. The 2019 75" was $3499 at intro. So if Vizio was thinking they'd follow that model, it's not going to sell. This set will have to come out so much lower than Vizio was probably expecting. I'd guess June 30 surprise will be that the 85" is "delayed" and the OLEDs will be coming "soon." Since they haven't done much, I think I'll just buy the 900H when I've prepped my space in the next 1-2 weeks. If no word by then, I won't look back. I could be envious down the road but not if the price doesn't come in a few hundred below the 900H.
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This article says Vizio put out a teaser saying June 30th "2020 Summer Collection Launch." Ya gotta scroll down a little.

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/vizio-2020-tv-lineup

To add to the confusion, Vizio's site has already updated and is calling it a 2021 collection (in spite of the URL saying 2020). I hope that doesn't mean it's all being pushed off...

https://www.vizio.com/2020-tv-collection
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To add to the confusion, Vizio's site has already updated and is calling it a 2021 collection (in spite of the URL saying 2020). I hope that doesn't mean it's all being pushed off...

https://www.vizio.com/2020-tv-collection
I don't think it's confusing at all. This year's TVs are being re-labeled as 2021s, and it very likely means these TVs aren't coming this summer and perhaps not until late fall or end-year at best. I would not be surprised if it means it'll take until 2021 for these to be widely available. The PQX was hard to find for most of '19. EVEN IF they couldn't indicate the release timeframe, they could have indicated the MSRP to get people to hold off purchasing for a bit longer.

No execs out saying "we're almost there" or anything like that. AmTran who actually makes most of Vizio's TVs from parts made by other OEM and then ships them to Mexico for final assembly is said to have been back in production. But that's not translating into updated Vizio status.

If it's a "sneak preview" on 6/30, they're '20 is toast. If it's pre-order on 6/30 with July delivery, then it's a win. Just can't see that happening.
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With all this uncertainty I am think about buying a LG 77” C9 but I really wanted an 85” because I sit 15ft away. Hopefully they come out this year.
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To add to the confusion, Vizio's site has already updated and is calling it a 2021 collection (in spite of the URL saying 2020). I hope that doesn't mean it's all being pushed off...

https://www.vizio.com/2020-tv-collection


Looks like they are shooting for better viewing angles. Hopefully this comes to fruition and isn’t false advertising.


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I believe that is last years model.
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I believe that is last years model.

Ahh shoot lol. Well they certainly didn’t come through with the viewing angles lol.


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I don't think they said they were modifying their designs for improved viewing angles. It will be nice to eventually get such a design with improved angles that does not have poor black levels or burn-in. I am patiently waiting to find out about the 85 and if there are lines running down the screen like last years models....forget it......not interested. If this years new models have lines again, maybe next years mini led 85" which is likely coming can fix that issue...who knows at this point.
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Hello! Our release dates don't follow the calendar year, so we just updated to keep that more accurate. We'll still be launching the 2020 models this year. If you visit https://www.vizio.com/2020-tv-collection and click on the notify me button, you'll find out as soon as I do! Thanks, --CW

From their twitter account: https://twitter.com/VIZIO/status/1271840046820265987
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Hello! Our release dates don't follow the calendar year, so we just updated to keep that more accurate. We'll still be launching the 2020 models this year. If you visit https://www.vizio.com/2020-tv-collection and click on the notify me button, you'll find out as soon as I do! Thanks, --CW

From their twitter account: https://twitter.com/VIZIO/status/1271840046820265987
Again, nothing from them indicating even a general timeframe. If the release dates don’t follow the calendar year, that’s even more reason to provide some type of info sooner. Hope it looks really good on 6/30.

Probably won’t be enough to make me want to regret buying sooner.
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HOLY CRAP! Well, i'd say that's the worst sign since CES for them. I suppose I'll be grabbing a Sony 85X900H for $2500...

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https://www.vizio.com/2020-tv-collection
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With all this uncertainty I am think about buying a LG 77” C9 but I really wanted an 85” because I sit 15ft away. Hopefully they come out this year.
I was in the exact same situation--sitting 15 feet away, and wondering whether 77" would be good enough. I decided to get an 85" (the Samsung Q80T) and I can tell you I'm glad I did, and would not want it to be an inch smaller.

I bought my current house in which the living room layout pretty much forces me to sit 15 feet away in January. In my last residence, I was sitting 10 feet away from at 51" TV, which was purchased when I lived in a smaller apartment where I sat only about 7 feet away. I was beginning to notice that, with my aging eyes, the 51" inch wasn't quite big enough even at 10 feet--text in, for example, the HUD in a video game wasn't perfectly clear. Well, at the 51 inch screen size:10 foot viewing distance ratio, the equivalent screen size at 15 feet would be... 76.5 inches. So a 77" would only be half an inch better. As it is, an 85" from 15 feet away is only the equivalent of only 56.7" at 10 feet. Really, the 85" is barely big enough; I'm wishing there were 98" TVs at affordable prices.

(Actually, what I'm really wishing is that house builders would stop building houses with stupid useless gas fireplaces that no one actually wants and designing the living room around the concept of having the TV above the fireplace, so universally that it's impossible to find a house that's not like this, forcing those of us who refuse to look up at our TVs to arrange our living room furniture differently such that the TV is 15 feet away, but that's a discussion for another day.)
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I actually was able to get a great deal today on a open box excellent condition LG OLED 77”. Wow the picture is great from all angles. What i did to get closer to the tv I wall mounted it with a 28inch span mount. So the 2ft in a little and I moved my couch another foot so I am now sitting about 11 1/2 12ft away. I all most bought a 85” QLED but I could not pass up the price on the OLED. That is a great tv you got and 85” is awesome.
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This was posted today on twitter, guess we will just find out on June 30:

The new models are coming out at the same time. We just changed the year they were labeled under. -Booker

https://twitter.com/VIZIO/status/1272292894607659009
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Vizio isn't late--sorry, but this is pretty consistent. You can look back on their year-to-year releases going back at least to 2016 with the initial P-Series--and I think even before then (can't find proof). You can look for yourself on Vizio's historical blog. Release was late March in '16 (3/22), late April in '17 (4/25), early-mid May in '18 (5/9), and late May in '19 (5/20). They're on a 12.5 - 13 month year-over-year. schedule. So June 30th? Totally inline with history. Ok... they're one week late as 13 months would be ~June 23rd or so. But seriously... the panic and overstatement is ridiculous! The fact it's merely a week or two past historical patterns is pretty amazing given circumstances. My guess is that this will be their final "premium" 4k LCD TV they ever release. 8k is coming--like / need it or not. So calling the TVs 2021 models makes perfect marketing sense because my guess is we won't see a new premium TV from Vizio until Fall / Late 2021--probably an 8k model of some type. Maybe even Mini-LEDs (which rumors have suggested is in the works based on a prototype privately shown at CES). They'll probably have another year or two of 4k M-Series or lower--maybe have another round of 4K OLED next year. But this year's P-Series will probably be the best 4k LCD TV they'll ever make--and we won't hear from them again until an 8k Mini-LED (or at least that's my guess / prediction).

So they may as well get it right--a couple week delay isn't going to change much because this P-Series Quantum model is going to have to stand up by itself among premium LCD TVs until next Fall or later, imo. Hell... they may just wait until early 2022 until they're next crack at a high-end LCD. I'd be stunned if they ever made another premium 4k LCD after this one.
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Vizio isn't late--sorry, but this is pretty consistent. You can look back on their year-to-year releases going back at least to 2016 with the initial P-Series--and I think even before then (can't find proof). You can look for yourself on Vizio's historical blog. Release was late March in '16 (3/22), late April in '17 (4/25), early-mid May in '18 (5/9), and late May in '19 (5/20). They're on a 12.5 - 13 month year-over-year. schedule. So June 30th? Totally inline with history. Ok... they're one week late as 13 months would be ~June 23rd or so. But seriously... the panic and overstatement is ridiculous! The fact it's merely a week or two past historical patterns is pretty amazing given circumstances. My guess is that this will be their final "premium" 4k LCD TV they ever release. 8k is coming--like / need it or not. So calling the TVs 2021 models makes perfect marketing sense because my guess is we won't see a new premium TV from Vizio until Fall / Late 2021--probably an 8k model of some type. Maybe even Mini-LEDs (which rumors have suggested is in the works based on a prototype privately shown at CES). They'll probably have another year or two of 4k M-Series or lower--maybe have another round of 4K OLED next year. But this year's P-Series will probably be the best 4k LCD TV they'll ever make--and we won't hear from them again until an 8k Mini-LED (or at least that's my guess / prediction).

So they may as well get it right--a couple week delay isn't going to change much because this P-Series Quantum model is going to have to stand up by itself among premium LCD TVs until next Fall or later, imo. Hell... they may just wait until early 2022 until they're next crack at a high-end LCD. I'd be stunned if they ever made another premium 4k LCD after this one.
Perhaps. A couple week delay under normal circumstances wouldn’t matter. But this was announced in January, and it’s probably going to be the last 85” set to hit the market which just means lost sales. It also means that unlike past year’s patterns, Vizio probably isn’t going to be able to command a price premium. This set will either be forced to compare itself to high-end/high-price OLEDs to keep the price premium Vizio likes to try. Otherwise, the competition at the very good mid-tier non-OLED sales from makers with more brand loyalty and a better reliability (that’s still one of Vizio’s knocks even at the PQX level) record.

Again, it’s not panic. It’s say something. If the releases were imminent as you suggest, there’s not even a reason to not let something “leak.” No reason for pre-release versions to not be on multiple reviewer test benches. UNLESS, the actual reason is there’s probably going to be a late release that carries into or past late summer.

Surely, the business model isn’t release during the year-end sale frenzy and create the expectation that it’s the best/only reasonable time to buy a Vizio. That leaves too many other sales opportunities excluded. Other retailers put up info before the TVs were actually available in pre-order status. No reason Vizio couldn’t have done that by now either. If I had to guess why not - it’s the pricing. Many of buyers know that 85” 4K TVs are transitional until 8K is common and more affordable, and that means get something that’s good-enough at a fair enough price for the next few years during the transition.

Don’t forget, many people can’t see these sets in showrooms side-by-side like year’s past. And many never really got to see PQX last year because it wasn’t everywhere or the price was so high it just sat (until year-end sales). That’s why putting out info before and by now is what people are looking for. Heck, everyone even has more time to look for it every day.

When people are ready to buy, it’s the maker’s best opportunity to sell. It’s not the best time to say “keep waiting.” They are not Apple the 800lb gorilla in the market.

Just saying....come on Vizio. I got tired of waiting.
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Perhaps. A couple week delay under normal circumstances wouldn’t matter. But this was announced in January, and it’s probably going to be the last 85” set to hit the market which just means lost sales. It also means that unlike past year’s patterns, Vizio probably isn’t going to be able to command a price premium. This set will either be forced to compare itself to high-end/high-price OLEDs to keep the price premium Vizio likes to try. Otherwise, the competition at the very good mid-tier non-OLED sales from makers with more brand loyalty and a better reliability (that’s still one of Vizio’s knocks even at the PQX level) record.

Again, it’s not panic. It’s say something. If the releases were imminent as you suggest, there’s not even a reason to not let something “leak.” No reason for pre-release versions to not be on multiple reviewer test benches. UNLESS, the actual reason is there’s probably going to be a late release that carries into or past late summer.

Surely, the business model isn’t release during the year-end sale frenzy and create the expectation that it’s the best/only reasonable time to buy a Vizio. That leaves too many other sales opportunities excluded. Other retailers put up info before the TVs were actually available in pre-order status. No reason Vizio couldn’t have done that by now either. If I had to guess why not - it’s the pricing. Many of buyers know that 85” 4K TVs are transitional until 8K is common and more affordable, and that means get something that’s good-enough at a fair enough price for the next few years during the transition.

Don’t forget, many people can’t see these sets in showrooms side-by-side like year’s past. And many never really got to see PQX last year because it wasn’t everywhere or the price was so high it just sat (until year-end sales). That’s why putting out info before and by now is what people are looking for. Heck, everyone even has more time to look for it every day.

When people are ready to buy, it’s the maker’s best opportunity to sell. It’s not the best time to say “keep waiting.” They are not Apple the 800lb gorilla in the market.

Just saying....come on Vizio. I got tired of waiting.
Man just relax... There's been just way too much negative speculations through out this thread from you that have next to zero baring on what Vizio can, can't do or what they're business plan is.

If you can't wait look elsewhere it's that simple.

FYI don't get caught up on "SALES" off the msrb. MSRB are all marked up through out the industry. TV's don't really start to take off in sales until early fall when kids go back to school and people start to spend more time at home.... The virus has impacted the world, strategies in businesses across the globe are changing on the fly for the most part on there plan.

Relax brother. It's a stop gap year anyway. HDMI 2.1 if you've been doing your homework is more of a culprit for delays than the virus it's self. Advice for anybody who's main purpose is the HDMI 2.1 aspect of this tv your better off waiting until next year anyway.
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Man just relax... There's been just way too much negative speculations through out this thread from you that have next to zero baring on what Vizio can, can't do or what they're business plan is.

If you can't wait look elsewhere it's that simple.

FYI don't get caught up on "SALES" off the msrb. MSRB are all marked up through out the industry. TV's don't really start to take off in sales until early fall when kids go back to school and people start to spend more time at home.... The virus has impacted the world, strategies in businesses across the globe are changing on the fly for the most part on there plan.

Relax brother. It's a stop gap year anyway. HDMI 2.1 if you've been doing your homework is more of a culprit for delays than the virus it's self. Advice for anybody who's main purpose is the HDMI 2.1 aspect of this tv your better off waiting until next year anyway.
I did buy something else. I don't need a TV. Actually no one needs a TV. I just took the approach that waiting can be indefinite when there's no actual sign anything's close to coming. I'm not pro- or con- any maker. They all have things to offer and things they don't. My point was actually that Vizio's communications are costing it sales. At this point, hardware and firmware can be put in place with software updates so out-the-box isn't an expectation that buyer's have.

Vizio's main producer is AmTran who itself has said it's been on schedule and in production throughout this period. So it's a communications issue. There are things I wish Sony, Samsung, TCL, HiSense, and others did better. It's just that Vizio's communication lags significantly.
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I did buy something else. I don't need a TV. Actually no one needs a TV. I just took the approach that waiting can be indefinite when there's no actual sign anything's close to coming. I'm not pro- or con- any maker. They all have things to offer and things they don't. My point was actually that Vizio's communications are costing it sales. At this point, hardware and firmware can be put in place with software updates so out-the-box isn't an expectation that buyer's have.

Vizio's main producer is AmTran who itself has said it's been on schedule and in production throughout this period. So it's a communications issue. There are things I wish Sony, Samsung, TCL, HiSense, and others did better. It's just that Vizio's communication lags significantly.
Again you know nothing about Vizio's business plan and to further point out, it sounds like you know nothing about Vizio period. They've never been about advertising there products. There rise to fame has been via word of mouth for the most part as a bang for your buck product. Heck they're notorious for not announcing anything until they're ready to purchase first. The release date of there products often come on the same day of there reveal and to top it off have run 2 year cycles on there sets.

They march to the drum of there own beat... Enjoy your new set whatever it is and move on.
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Again you know nothing about Vizio's business plan and to further point out, it sounds like you know nothing about Vizio period. They've never been about advertising there products. There rise to fame has been via word of mouth for the most part as a bang for your buck product. Heck they're notorious for not announcing anything until they're ready to purchase first. The release date of there products often come on the same day of there reveal and to top it off have run 2 year cycles on there sets.

They march to the drum of there own beat... Enjoy your new set whatever it is and move on.
So you have a date and info to share or complete confidence that all will be settled on June 30? Haven’t said anything that’s not just wondering what’s going on.

As to not announcing until about now. Vizio announced the 2019 sets in May and they announced them as immediately available even though they weren’t to everywhere. A few YouTubers got the info a few days before Vizio announced. The set was reviewed at least as early as June 5 a little over a week later, but reviewers had sets on hand days before the reviews hit.

I don’t work for Vizio, but finding out info in them doesn’t take much. And the AmTran info has been out since March about being at full capability since then. They do produce for Vizio so unless Vizio’s completely dumped it’s main partner, that’s just the way it is.

I hope they have sets available on June 30. Not for me, but I’ve always said it’s better for every maker to get things straightened out because that’s better for buyers.
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I actually was able to get a great deal today on a open box excellent condition LG OLED 77”. Wow the picture is great from all angles. What i did to get closer to the tv I wall mounted it with a 28inch span mount. So the 2ft in a little and I moved my couch another foot so I am now sitting about 11 1/2 12ft away. I all most bought a 85” QLED but I could not pass up the price on the OLED. That is a great tv you got and 85” is awesome.
Nice. I really would have liked an OLED, but I didn't have the ability to finagle my viewing distance quite as much as you have. Hopefully, in a few years there will be 85" OLEDs or MicroLEDs at sub-5-figure prices. (I mean, technically I could have bought an LG Z9, but I'm going to need to replace my car later this year too!)
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Vizio has updated their website stating that the 2021 Collection will be launched June 30, 2020.
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