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TCL X-10 With Mini LEDs

The Polish site HDTVPolska just reviewed the European version of the 2020 model X-10 from TCL and the results were fantastic.
768 dimming zones.
FALD contrast ratio using movie scenes : worst case 62.000:1, best case 8.700.000:1 (!?!?).
Minimum black level : 0.0002 nits (!?!?).
HDR average of 870 nits peaking at 1.500 nits.
Input lag : 17ms.
Quantum Dots and very accurate color calibration out-of-the-box.
However, poor viewing angle.

According to the reviewer for the first time he saw OLED-like blacks from an LCD screen placed side-by-side to an OLED screen, as long as the viewer sits dead center.

I am rather curious to see what the test report at Rtings.com will find out about this set once it becomes available for sale in the US.

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Same as US 8 Series (2019)

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The Polish site HDTVPolska just reviewed the European version of the 2020 model X-10 from TCL and the results were fantastic.
768 dimming zones.
FALD contrast ratio using movie scenes : worst case 62.000:1, best case 8.700.000:1 (!?!?).
Minimum black level : 0.0002 nits (!?!?).
HDR average of 870 nits peaking at 1.500 nits.
Input lag : 17ms.
Quantum Dots and very accurate color calibration out-of-the-box.
However, poor viewing angle.
According to the reviewer for the first time he saw OLED-like blacks from an LCD screen placed side-by-side to an OLED screen, as long as the viewer sits dead center.
I am rather curious to see what the test report at Rtings.com will find out about this set once it becomes available for sale in the US.
In the U.S. it is the 8 Series (2019) https://www.tomsguide.com/reviews/tc...s-qled-roku-tv
The review on RTINGS is "good" on all counts: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/tc...2019-q825-qled
Viewing angle appears to be the biggest issue and FALD control is inferior compared to the best from Samsung so black crushing and gray detail is a problem.
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I thought TCL said this wasn't the exact same model as in the US. Close but not exact. I think it's also an Android TV and not a Roku TV like the US-market TVs have been.
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That minimum black level of 0.0002 nits is almost unbelievable. It is an order of magnitude lower than any other LCD panel that i am aware of considering that very few other LCD panels are capable of reaching 0.001 nits at best.

That is the reason why the FALD contrast (using static images) supposedly achieved by this TLC model in this test report is "only" 8.700.000:1, that's millions to one !?!?
I wonder how he was even able to measure such incredible minimum black level.

No wonder the reviewer stated that the TLC X-10 had OLED-like blacks...

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That minimum black level of 0.0002 nits is almost unbelievable. It is an order of magnitude lower than any other LCD panel that i am aware of considering that very few other LCD panels are capable of reaching 0.001 nits at best.

That is the reason why the FALD contrast (using static images) supposedly achieved by this TLC model in this test report is "only" 8.700.000:1, that's millions to one !?!?
I wonder how he was even able to measure such incredible minimum black level.

No wonder the reviewer stated that the TLC X-10 had OLED-like blacks...
Smells a bit like yesterday’s room-temp sushi to me.
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Smells a bit like yesterday’s room-temp sushi to me.
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I saw some video comparing it to other TVs and it’s a nice step forward. Vidrian should be even better this year and if they can eventually implement QD color filters, the viewing angle issue will be solved. That may appear in the 2021 sets. Their future sets that they showed at CES were something like 200k zones. MiniLED and QD are the future for LCD, hopefully good dimming algorithms will be used going forward.

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It is unusual to have a test report using static images like this publication does, but at least they use the exact same images for all tests.
Here is a comparison between the TCL X-10, the Sony ZF9 and the Samsung Q90R using the same test images :

TCL X-10 >>> >>>5,3000.000:1 ------ 630,000:1 ---- 62,500:1 ---- 8,700.000:1.
Sony ZF9 >>> >>>>310,000:1 --------- 9,500:1 --------6,500:1 ------150,000:1.
Samsung Q90R >>> 450,000:1 --------- 4,800:1 -------21,000:1 ----- 290,000:1.

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Not you. The vagueness of the original review/reviewer information. I don't come here to insult people. The info just doesn't add up and is either from language translation or because the reviewer picked up some suspect information. The manufacturers tend to let things out when they're ready.
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Vincent Teoh did a TCL X-10 review. It is in the same room using the same TVs where the polish review was done. He stated that the black level was very good for a LCD.

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Wasn’t this launched last year in Europe and basically the 8-series equivalent? Pretty sure that’s how it lines up.

Don’t think Vincent was doing a new TCL TV so much as a comparison of 3 different LCD/LED implementations. He actually reviewed the X10 last year.
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Wasn’t this launched last year in Europe and basically the 8-series equivalent? Pretty sure that’s how it lines up.

Don’t think Vincent was doing a new TCL TV so much as a comparison of 3 different LCD/LED implementations. He actually reviewed the X10 last year.
The tittle he gave this is ''TCL X10 4K TV review miniLED vs. QLED vs. OLED''. In description he states ''We review the TCL X10 Series, a 65 inch 4K TV with mini LED technology''. All of this takes place at a TCL arranged TVs setup. TCL ownes the TVs, reviewers are free to calibrate the TVs.

He did not review the X10..he did a sort of 6 minutes first look 10 months ago at a TCL media briefing in China. He reviewed Q825 (TCL 8-Series 4K miniLED Flagship) 5 months ago.

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The tittle he gave this is ''TCL X10 4K TV review miniLED vs. QLED vs. OLED''. In description he states ''We review the TCL X10 Series, a 65 inch 4K TV with mini LED technology''. All of this takes place at a TCL arranged TVs setup. TCL ownes the TVs, reviewers are free to calibrate the TVs.

He did not review the X10..he did a sort of 6 minutes first look 10 months ago at a TCL media briefing in China. He reviewed Q825 (TCL 8-Series 4K miniLED Flagship) 5 months ago.
He said the 8 series is basically the equivalent of the x10 series in Europe when reviewing the 8 series. He doesn’t review Europe and US versions of the same model TV very often but does note if or when he think there are substantive differences.
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