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I received my 75 Q800T today:

Pros:
* Picutre Quality - outstanding
* Game Mode - literally no input lag
* Game Motion Plus - excellent motion improvement at very little input lag (barely noticible)
* 1440p 120hz

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* One of the screw holes of the tv was deeper and the screw couldn't be tightened (had to search for a loner one )

* Youtube - 8k videos - YES they play in 8k but the render quality is GOD AWEFUL, A LOT OF BLUR AND ARTIFACTS ON MOVING PICTURES
* You can't make the TV to run at anything above 60hz when using resolution above 1440p, I`m using GTX 1080ti And tried with resolution 3200x1800 120hz - nothing, 3200x1800 75hz - nothing, 4k - 75 hz nothing.
* Resolutions above 4k were working only on 24hz (on 30hz they were flickering as hell) tested 5k and 8k at 24hz they work fine

* Picture In Picture mode - THIS THING DID NOT WORK AT ALL, IT IS ALWAYS GRAYED OUT
- Tried with 2 HDMI sources (4 and 3) where 4 is my PC and 2 is my Galaxy Note 9.
- Tried changing ALL TYPES of sources from Console - to PC - to BlueRay on the PC and the Galaxy source, but the PIP option is still grayed out

* Multi View - worked only the first time, then it stopped after exiting and had to re-ling the TV to my note 9
I`m coming from KS8000 and so far i`m disappointed from the Firmware, it seems like a freaking alpha, i`m so pissed off!

Did you have a chance to check out cable/OTA content and if so how well did it upscale compared to a 4K TV? TIA

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Multi view works perfect for me using an iPhone 10

How are playing 8k videos on YouTube? I use tv app, 4/23 date, cannot find any 8k. They say 8k but play 4K????

Do you have Xbox one x? See my post above and issues I have, do you have?

My TV App is web_20200429_00_RC02 so it is 04/29

After you start a video you have to manually select 8k in the app settings while playing the video.



Another CON
So it got dark here and oh my... the contrast is bad... I`ll give it 2500:1 at best compared to my KS8000 it looks like dark gray I`m starting to regret for the purchase.

Here is my personal verdict for Q800T vs KS8000

Picture Quality: 10/10 vs 9/10

Beightness: 9/10 vs 8/10

Contrast: 6/10 vs 9/10



Motion: 9/10 vs 7/10

Gaming: 10/10 vs 7/10

Sound: 5/10 vs 7.5/10 (yes the Q800t has gorrible low end and no bass compared to KS8000

Firmware functionality: 6/10 vs 8/10
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YouTube 8k is amazing. Works prefect and is so lifelike it is like being there.

Fios cable is upscaled nicely on this 8k, better than my 4k OLED.
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Are you enjoying the picture?
I am not an owner. I have a friend who is a brand loyalist. I keep trying to talk him out of buying Samsung, but he keeps buying it any way. I helped him setup the TV and did a few of tests that interested me. What I saw was a regular LCD FALD TV with all baggage that comes with it. My biggest complaint is it can't keep black bars black. I find that unacceptable in a TV with 200+ zones in 2020.
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I took hrs calibrating my picture and it is perfect with deep blacks, especially the bars
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I took hrs calibrating my picture and it is perfect with deep blacks, especially the bars
I don't have problem with the Bars, they are black because the backlight is turned off completely there, however the rest of the black on the scenes is grayish, even If i set the brightness to 1 nothing changes in terms of how deep are the blacks, they remain the same for me. May you share your TV calibration settings so I can try them out ?
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My TV App is web_20200429_00_RC02 so it is 04/29

After you start a video you have to manually select 8k in the app settings while playing the video.



Another CON
So it got dark here and oh my... the contrast is bad... I`ll give it 2500:1 at best compared to my KS8000 it looks like dark gray I`m starting to regret for the purchase.

Here is my personal verdict for Q800T vs KS8000

Picture Quality: 10/10 vs 9/10

Beightness: 9/10 vs 8/10

Contrast: 6/10 vs 9/10



Motion: 9/10 vs 7/10

Gaming: 10/10 vs 7/10

Sound: 5/10 vs 7.5/10 (yes the Q800t has gorrible low end and no bass compared to KS8000

Firmware functionality: 6/10 vs 8/10
That’s too bad about the contrast

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Another CON
So it got dark here and oh my... the contrast is bad... I`ll give it 2500:1 at best compared to my KS8000 it looks like dark gray I`m starting to regret for the purchase.

Contrast: 6/10 vs 9/10

The native contrast is probably somewhat like a Q90R which would be 3200:1, the KS8000 has 6900:1.
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I took hrs calibrating my picture and it is perfect with deep blacks, especially the bars
Are you an actual calibrator or do you mean you fiddled with the settings?

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I live to just play and fiddle with settings until it is just right for me.
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My TV App is web_20200429_00_RC02 so it is 04/29


So it got dark here and oh my... the contrast is bad... I`ll give it 2500:1 at best compared to my KS8000 it looks like dark gray

Are you using gaming mode? The local dimming is significantly reduced when gaming mode is enabled?
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Are you using gaming mode? The local dimming is significantly reduced when gaming mode is enabled?
Tested with all picture modes with all type of sources /blue ray/ PC / Console etc..
Even setting the brightness to 1 from 50 does not help with the gray black, it just dims the rest of the picture but not the blacks, contrast is just disappointingly low for me,
Today/tmrw I`ll receive a generic remote to access the service menu and will check If something can be done from there.
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I am going back and forth trying to decide between this and the LG C9 in 77" which is proced similarly to this one at 75".

I am coming from a Panasonic VT65 plasma that I have loved for the blacks, motion handling, and colors. I mostly watch movies and game and am trying to digest pros and cons of both panels looking at owner feedback and reviews. Anyone in this thread come from a similar situation? Would appreciate any info that would be valuable in making my decision. I had some bad experiences with Sony LCD's, flashlights, halos, etc. back in the day so have really avoided looking until now.

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Tested with all picture modes with all type of sources /blue ray/ PC / Console etc..
Even setting the brightness to 1 from 50 does not help with the gray black, it just dims the rest of the picture but not the blacks, contrast is just disappointingly low for me,
Today/tmrw I`ll receive a generic remote to access the service menu and will check If something can be done from there.
Have you tried changing HDMI black level to low (in General Settings)? Also, do you have an option for local dimming while in Game mode? I saw a YouTube video of the Q90T in game mode and it had this option.

These grey blacks in game mode are a big concern for Samsung TVs, why would they do this? I’d be fine with higher input lag in game mode if it meant the blacks were black.
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And coming from an OLED, I am not disappointed in the least. The blacks are very black and there is very little if at all blooming With white on black.

The OLED was so much work and I failed in the end to not have Burn-in. But I did get 10,000 hours out of the TV.

This just is so much more brighter and vivid and my whole family has stated wow why did you ever get an OLED? Lol
I upgraded from a 3 year old Sony A1E OLED to the Q900TS and am in the same boat. I am still tweaking my settings ( like turning the contrast enhancer to low or off due to it causing noise on 1080 content) but I really have been happy with it and blown away at times. Games and 4k content on this thing will not allow me to go back to OLED. The colors look so good while the blacks are so close to OLED levels it is pretty remarkable.
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Forget game mode. I am now running all games in normal mode, the lag is nonexistent and wow on the Colors and blacks. It is so fast that I really do not see the point of game mode, might be a tad faster but it also does wash some colors out and blacks also. Game mode works great mind you, but I guess if your want that extra thousandth of a second, something has to give.

Coming from the 65E7P OLED, which was fast, this screams in speed and amazing frame rate.
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Forget game mode. I am now running all games in normal mode, the lag is nonexistent and wow on the Colors and blacks. It is so fast that I really do not see the point of game mode, might be a tad faster but it also does wash some colors out and blacks also. Game mode works great mind you, but I guess if your want that extra thousandth of a second, something has to give.

Thats great for you, but the difference being in game mode and any other mode is in fact huge. Game mode has like 10ms and other modes have 70ms or more - thats why the TV takes a hit on local dimming / black levels.
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I bet non-game mode is 20 ms or so. Game mode on this tv is most likely single digits. I love to game and it is substantially faster than my OLED at 32 ms. My OLED with all of its wonderful burn-in is not worth it.
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I bet non-game mode is 20 ms or so. Game mode on this tv is most likely single digits. I love to game and it is substantially faster than my OLED at 32 ms. My OLED with all of its wonderful burn-in is not worth it.
If it performs similarly to other models, I expect the input lag outside of game mode to be around 70ms - which is massive for fast-paced competitive games like Overwatch, COD, Super Smash Bros etc.

Generally, anything under 30-40ms is fine in my experience.
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I don't have problem with the Bars, they are black because the backlight is turned off completely there, however the rest of the black on the scenes is grayish, even If i set the brightness to 1 nothing changes in terms of how deep are the blacks, they remain the same for me. May you share your TV calibration settings so I can try them out ?
how do you feel about the anti reflective screen? during large black screens do you find that u can see diffracted gray bars because of the way the reflective filter is working? that is the one thing i noticed when i was looking at the samsung Q950TS vs lg c9 OLED side by side at the store. The oled has mirror gloss, so reflected light sources are annoyingly clear when they are present but otherwise its a deep black nothing. on the other hand samsung makes everything abit gray since it takes all like from all angles and diffracts it.

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Auto Low Lattency mode is active and would that not reduce input lag considerably by itself? Also the full bandwidth hdmi 2.1 port would also reduce lag?
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If it performs similarly to other models, I expect the input lag outside of game mode to be around 70ms - which is massive for fast-paced competitive games like Overwatch, COD, Super Smash Bros etc.

Generally, anything under 30-40ms is fine in my experience.
60-70 ms in 60hz yes, but in 120hz outside of gamemode input lag is more like 30-35 so it is playable. Game mode in 120hz has around 6-7ms input lag, I have 144hz 1440p Monitor and the Q800T feels a bit faster than it, it is amazing.
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I upgraded from a 3 year old Sony A1E OLED to the Q900TS and am in the same boat. I am still tweaking my settings ( like turning the contrast enhancer to low or off due to it causing noise on 1080 content) but I really have been happy with it and blown away at times. Games and 4k content on this thing will not allow me to go back to OLED. The colors look so good while the blacks are so close to OLED levels it is pretty remarkable.
***I believe the Q900TS is only one model down from the top Samsung level Q950TS. (The Q900TS in the 85" size has the same specs as the Q950TS.) And, the less costly Q800T's only difference, from what I can see, is the processing Quantum HDR 16x versus 32x for the other two models. I'm not sure how much that makes a difference with the normal content available today via cable/satellite/OTA & streaming. I've never been a "blacker than black" fan as I think it washes out low level light scenes (shadow detail.) How is the shadow detail with your set? Motion? No banding? (I wouldn't expect it with a Full Array set.)

As I've said many times - - I believe it's the processing that makes a difference in FALD sets. And - - primarily with the content we have today, which is mostly non-4K, let alone 8K material. As a gamer, I'm sure low latency is very important to you. Do you have cable or any other non 4K source that you watch? How does your Q900TS upscale that content? Much thanks.

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***I believe the Q900TS is only one model down from the top Samsung level Q950TS. (The Q900TS in the 85" size has the same specs as the Q950TS.) And, the less costly Q800T's only difference, from what I can see, is the processing Quantum HDR 16x versus 32x for the other two models. I'm not sure how much that makes a difference with the normal content available today via cable/satellite/OTA & streaming. I've never been a "blacker than black" fan as I think it washes out low level light scenes (shadow detail.) How is the shadow detail with your set? Motion? No banding? (I wouldn't expect it with a Full Array set.)
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65, 75 Q800T - 320 dimming zones - no One Connect Box - Quantum HDR 16x refers to brightness which is 2000 nits / the 85Q800T has 480 zones rest is the same


Q900T and Q950T are identical, except the Q900T doesnt have a One Connect Box, 480 dimming zones

the 65 inch models have 3000nits, 75 and above 4000 nits
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65, 75 Q800T - 320 dimming zones - no One Connect Box - Quantum HDR 16x refers to brightness which is 2000 nits / the 85Q800T has 480 zones rest is the same


Q900T and Q950T are identical, except the Q900T doesnt have a One Connect Box, 480 dimming zones

the 65 inch models have 3000nits, 75 and above 4000 nits
65 inch Q800T has 224 zones.
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***I believe the Q900TS is only one model down from the top Samsung level Q950TS. (The Q900TS in the 85" size has the same specs as the Q950TS.) And, the less costly Q800T's only difference, from what I can see, is the processing Quantum HDR 16x versus 32x for the other two models. I'm not sure how much that makes a difference with the normal content available today via cable/satellite/OTA & streaming. I've never been a "blacker than black" fan as I think it washes out low level light scenes (shadow detail.) How is the shadow detail with your set? Motion? No banding? (I wouldn't expect it with a Full Array set.)

As I've said many times - - I believe it's the processing that makes a difference in FALD sets. And - - primarily with the content we have today, which is mostly non-4K, let alone 8K material. As a gamer, I'm sure low latency is very important to you. Do you have cable or any other non 4K source that you watch? How does your Q900TS upscale that content? Much thanks.
All Q900TS sizes have identical specs to the Q950TS. The only difference is the one connect box which I did not want. The cut off is the Q800 series 82" that has the same number of zones, listed as 32x, same as 900/950T. But only half the brightness.

I upgraded from a 3 year old Sony A1E OLED. I am still tweaking my settings ( like turning the contrast enhancer to low or off due to it causing noise on 1080 content) but I really have been happy with it and blown away at times. Games and 4k content on this thing will not allow me to go back to OLED. The colors look so good while the blacks are so close to OLED levels it is pretty remarkable. The up scaling is top notch to the point I can not believe I am watching 1080 content.
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65 inch Q800T has 224 zones.

The official Samsung site says Full Array 24x on both 65 and 75 inch. And we have seen the service menu of the 75Q800T already which states 320 zones. I mean it still could be less, but every other model from samsung has the same zone count in 65 and 75 inch.
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The official Samsung site says Full Array 24x on both 65 and 75 inch. And we have seen the service menu of the 75Q800T already which states 320 zones. I mean it still could be less, but every other model from samsung has the same zone count in 65 and 75 inch.
I counted those myself with youtube video. It was 16 x 14.
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A short review/showcase of the TV contrast in Game Mode
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All Q900TS sizes have identical specs to the Q950TS. The only difference is the one connect box which I did not want. The cut off is the Q800 series 82" that has the same number of zones, listed as 32x, same as 900/950T. But only half the brightness.

I upgraded from a 3 year old Sony A1E OLED. I am still tweaking my settings ( like turning the contrast enhancer to low or off due to it causing noise on 1080 content) but I really have been happy with it and blown away at times. Games and 4k content on this thing will not allow me to go back to OLED. The colors look so good while the blacks are so close to OLED levels it is pretty remarkable. The up scaling is top notch to the point I can not believe I am watching 1080 content.
What size 900 did you get? I bit the bullet on the 85” yesterday and it should be delivered next Tuesday or Wednesday. My fingers are crossed I like it better than my Sony 940E. Of course would have loved to go OLED for my 80 inch plus tv, but the $30k price tag is just a little too much for me. I’ll post impressions ASAP.

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