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I would still get the 900, overall I like the picture better, more vivid / pop, and with my room the reflections would be bad on a screen with no antireflective system of some sort.
this is baj66's set. i was just quoting his post. i did not notice this myself when i was inspecting the unit at the store.
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It is my understanding that in order to accept a 8k signal at 60hz the hdmi 2.1 port must be full 48gbs. I have read this in forums.
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It is my understanding that in order to accept a 8k signal at 60hz the hdmi 2.1 port must be full 48gbs. I have read this in forums.

48Gbps is only required for an uncompressed signal with 12 bit color. At 10 bit 4:2:0 the bandwidth tops out at 40Gbps.

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So how do we know if the port is 40 or 48?
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if you can see the array, i think there is a problem with your set. i don't see anything like that.

Yikes, that's what I was wondering. I watched it more last night and it's definitely there. Not so much the whole top row but the center section of the screen - approx. 10-15 squares across with a couple rows below it less visible. Probably has to do with where I'm sitting with respect to the screen.


I was trying to take a picture (or even a video) of it in various scenes, but it's really difficult to capture. Much more obvious in the room with the content moving. Multiple factors seem to play into it, resolution of the content, color saturation, sharpness, ...etc. I could probably make it less obvious by blowing out other factors, but that's not where I'd watch it for what I'd consider a good picture.


When trying to track down some full screen images where it looks worse, I noticed there seems to be a lot of content with black bars, even if fairly small, across the top and bottom. I guess I haven't had a reason to notice the borders coming and going, but when the image is full screen it's obvious with a light colored uniform background and any panning, but clearly obscured with black bars.


Now it's impossible not to see, and it's always usually right over the heads of the actors on-screen. I did access some 8K content on YouTube (that actually plays back in 8K and not something less) and couldn't see it there, but the very few videos I've found so far are too dark across the top.


On a different note, the 85" Q900T really exposes movies differently. I popped in Ford vs. Ferrari last night in 4K and there's a ton of the that dancing, sparkling background noise in the image (not sure the technical term) but really annoying, only watched about the first 15 minutes (never noticed it all on the plasma in HD with the same movie). On the other hand Gemini Man in 4K 60 fps has jaw dropping realistic images, but has that soap opera effect due to higher frame rate. I'm not opposed it when the images look that good.


Kind of bummed though now, so LED screen panel anomaly on the Q900T, or switch to ZG9? Guess I liked that the Q900T had newer electronics/better access to 8K content and better hdmi 2.1 specs for gaming, although I'm not really a gamer.
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My main issue with Samsung’s has always been their motion handling. Again, I have a Sony Z9D and I’ve always found Sony’s motion handling to be far superior. I like to use motion smoothing to reduce judder and Sony does it in a way that doesn’t produce the soap opera effect. I’ve always thought that the Samsung’s do but my main problem is that when using auto motion plus, the Samsung’s will produce stuttering frames or weird artifacts on many sources. Do you notice any of that or do you see any improvements in motion over past Samsung models?


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So how do we know if the port is 40 or 48?

The short answer is don't worry about it, it ultimately won't matter.



The long answer is that outside of getting official confirmation from Samsung you could read the EDID from the port and see how much bandwidth is available per TMDS lane. This will require some fairly exotic hardware.

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Not sure this will work, but attached are a couple photos of the square patterns I see across the top of my Q900T. I couldn't capture this with a cell phone, but my regular camera picks it up.
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Not sure this will work, but attached are a couple photos of the square patterns I see across the top of my Q900T. I couldn't capture this with a cell phone, but my regular camera picks it up.

I can see them on my 75Q800T also, but i`m not too bothered by this since it is visible only on Pure color and you need to look for it.
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Share us some picture to see how it performance quality in movie, words is not enough I am eager to see her look I want to see the black level in a dark room and its amazing color depth
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48Gbps is only required for an uncompressed signal with 12 bit color. At 10 bit 4:2:0 the bandwidth tops out at 40Gbps.
Question, how do we know for "sure" when there are no HDMI 2.1 output devises?
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Question, how do we know for "sure" when there are no HDMI 2.1 output devises?

I'm not sure what you are asking here. Are you asking how do we know for sure what the maximum datarate is for a given signal? Or are you asking me how do we confirm what the HDMI chipset is capable of outside of having devices to test with?


If it's the former, we can do the math and calculate it for ourselves. Short of that, there are HDMI 2.1 charts that provide breakdowns of bandwidth requirements based on resolution, frame rate, chroma, and bit depth. Uncompressed 8K/60 10 bit 4:2:0 requires 40Gbps. Chroma above 4:2:0 is not supported for 8K/60 at any bit depth without the use of Display Stream Compression, but using DSC in theory you can actually go all the way up to 8K/120 12 bit 4:4:4 without crossing the 40Gbps threshold.



If you meant the latter, you can read the EDID. Vincent Teoh just did this a couple days ago with the Q80T using a Murideo Seven TPG. The EDID advertises how many TMDS lanes are available and their rated bandwidth. It also tells you whether the chipset supports DSC (Samsung does support DSC).



My gut tells me Samsung's using the same 40Gbps HDMI 2.1 chipset across the entire lineup from the Q70T up to the Q950TS.
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On a different note, the 85" Q900T really exposes movies differently. I popped in Ford vs. Ferrari last night in 4K and there's a ton of the that dancing, sparkling background noise in the image (not sure the technical term) but really annoying, only watched about the first 15 minutes (never noticed it all on the plasma in HD with the same movie). On the other hand Gemini Man in 4K 60 fps has jaw dropping realistic images, but has that soap opera effect due to higher frame rate. I'm not opposed it when the images look that good.
are you talking about grain here?

it sounds like you definitely need a panel change, to the same model or otherwise.
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On a different note, the 85" Q900T really exposes movies differently. I popped in Ford vs. Ferrari last night in 4K and there's a ton of the that dancing, sparkling background noise in the image (not sure the technical term) but really annoying, only watched about the first 15 minutes (never noticed it all on the plasma in HD with the same movie). On the other hand Gemini Man in 4K 60 fps has jaw dropping realistic images, but has that soap opera effect due to higher frame rate. I'm not opposed it when the images look that good.
are you talking about grain here?

it sounds like you definitely need a panel change, to the same model or otherwise.
Try setting the sharpness to 0 and tell us what you see I think sometimes the noise is from the player itself

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For the owners, any updated observations with having an entire weekend to view content? Thanks
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Just like solarboost, I am interested in any judder issues with the set. Also can any owner comment on the shadow detail. John Archer said this was much improved in his review. This is very important to me. Thanks
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are you talking about grain here?

it sounds like you definitely need a panel change, to the same model or otherwise.

I think it's grain, but has an unintended affect with that size of a screen and higher ppi. Plus that's a new movie so it's not a crappy transfer (like Top Gun in 4K, really bad, the opening credits actually jump around on the screen like someone took a 4K camera and recorded the movie off of their TV). On the other hand high quality 4K can looking absolutely stunning upscaled to 8K.



Having additional problems now with the Q900T dimming and getting too dark. Change the settings (standard, movie, natural...etc.) it gets nice and bright, then dims again within minutes (adaptive control is off, so it's not that... turned off contrast enhancer as well).


And I fully agree with your last statement, Z9G is on the way!





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Try setting the sharpness to 0 and tell us what you see I think sometimes the noise is from the player itself

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I did adjust sharpness from 0 to 10 and even at 0 it was still there. HDR optimizer on the 4K player was also off, which can add some noise.
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I think it's grain, but has an unintended affect with that size of a screen and higher ppi. Plus that's a new movie so it's not a crappy transfer (like Top Gun in 4K, really bad, the opening credits actually jump around on the screen like someone took a 4K camera and recorded the movie off of their TV). On the other hand high quality 4K can looking absolutely stunning upscaled to 8K.



Having additional problems now with the Q900T dimming and getting too dark. Change the settings (standard, movie, natural...etc.) it gets nice and bright, then dims again within minutes (adaptive control is off, so it's not that... turned off contrast enhancer as well).


And I fully agree with your last statement, Z9G is on the way!








I did adjust sharpness from 0 to 10 and even at 0 it was still there. HDR optimizer on the 4K player was also off, which can add some noise.
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Having additional problems now with the Q900T dimming and getting too dark. Change the settings (standard, movie, natural...etc.) it gets nice and bright, then dims again within minutes (adaptive control is off, so it's not that... turned off contrast enhancer as well).
Same thing on my Q800T while gaming, all ECO stuff are off, Intelligent mode is OFF and it gets dimm overtime, I think it is because of overheat protection algorithm since the TV is hot ASF when on max brightness.
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Same thing on my Q800T while gaming, all ECO stuff are off, Intelligent mode is OFF and it gets dimm overtime, I think it is because of overheat protection algorithm since the TV is hot ASF when on max brightness.
Maybe the fact that you disabled adaptive control leads the screen to overheating and then it has to overcompensate by dimming aggressively. Try enabling local dimming etc and see if it helps
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Maybe the fact that you disabled adaptive control leads the screen to overheating and then it has to overcompensate by dimming aggressively. Try enabling local dimming etc and see if it helps
With ECO stuff enabled the TV is dim like cheap 200$ 250 nits TV, it is unacceptable, If it is marketed as HDR 2000 it makes sense for the consumer to expect 400 nits of SUSTAIN BRIGHTNESS all the time, IF I want dim TV i wont be spending my Kidney worth of a $, but would of get something cheap.
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I think it's grain, but has an unintended affect with that size of a screen and higher ppi. Plus that's a new movie so it's not a crappy transfer (like Top Gun in 4K, really bad, the opening credits actually jump around on the screen like someone took a 4K camera and recorded the movie off of their TV). On the other hand high quality 4K can looking absolutely stunning upscaled to 8K.



Having additional problems now with the Q900T dimming and getting too dark. Change the settings (standard, movie, natural...etc.) it gets nice and bright, then dims again within minutes (adaptive control is off, so it's not that... turned off contrast enhancer as well).


And I fully agree with your last statement, Z9G is on the way!








I did adjust sharpness from 0 to 10 and even at 0 it was still there. HDR optimizer on the 4K player was also off, which can add some noise.
I still haven’t received a shipping notification for the Q900T. You’ve got me really considering canceling the order and going with the Sony. Seems like a safer option with less issues. Just will have to always have some kind of ambient lighting on to hide the light bleed into the black bars.

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Maybe the fact that you disabled adaptive control leads the screen to overheating and then it has to overcompensate by dimming aggressively. Try enabling local dimming etc and see if it helps
I've had adaptive control on and off as I keep experimenting with the picture, maybe it overheats after several hours of being on no matter which mode it's in. Turned it on this afternoon and the picture was bright again.
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Maybe the fact that you disabled adaptive control leads the screen to overheating and then it has to overcompensate by dimming aggressively. Try enabling local dimming etc and see if it helps
Could the overheating be related to resolution? The higher pixel density mandates that the backlight array work harder to produce brightness levels equivalent to 4K sets.

The Samsung 8K models last year were noticeably dimmer than the equivalent 4K flagship (Q90R). Maybe they’ve tried to bring the brightness in line with the lower resolution models and have created a thermal issue in the process?
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Could the overheating be related to resolution? The higher pixel density mandates that the backlight array work harder to produce brightness levels equivalent to 4K sets.

The Samsung 8K models last year were noticeably dimmer than the equivalent 4K flagship (Q90R). Maybe they’ve tried to bring the brightness in line with the lower resolution models and have created a thermal issue in the process?
the 75" and higher Q900rb were MUCH brighter then the Q90...these actually hit 4400 nits in dynamic mode. 3500 nits in standard / 2800 in game and 2500 in movie via flatpanels.com...anyway, i think it might have to do with the one connect box...they've made a slimmer tv, and shoved the power source back into the tv. I dont know if it means anything that the only 2 tv's that can actually hit 4000 nits under any circumstance are super thick(z9g) and has a huge one connect(Q900r )

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At the moment we cant rule anything out. These TVs are fresh on the market and the situation with the dimming could maybe be solved via software update.
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enjoying my TV. (and working too much) ;-)

no dimming issues here, and it's been on a lot. I'm in NJ with 4 people quarantined in my house = It's on for the majority of the day.

Still very happy with the purchase, watched 4 episodes of WestWorld in the last 2 days, constantly impressed. Gaming on it every night, playing Destiny 2, literally thought to myself last night that its like I'm playing a new game (was on the Z9D for the past few months), its so much more vibrant than the Z9D and the Q900R.

I've been playing around with settings in Natural and Movie mode. In my bright room during the day I think I may prefer Natural. Dynamic mode is really just that and for those that want that super saturated look they will enjoy it, but I prefer a more accurate picture.
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enjoying my TV. ;-)
I hope this TV arrives where I live so that I can enjoy it Sometimes Samsung does not provide us with all models and sizes, so I am concerned about that And I think about how I can get it

Also, the electrical system and the motion are different Ntsc or Pal So there are many difficulties to buy TV outside of my country

This TV is a masterpiece that I hope Samsung will make easy to find it

Actually, I love much my F8000, and I love the brightness in LED TV, I was looking for a TV that combines deep black levels and brightness that I love

For 5 years Daily, I was searching for the TV I wanted, during which I gained experience in this world

I was glad to hear The Q950TS Solved the issue of flashing subtitles and Crush shadow detail FALD TV have suffered a lot to reach higher stability

So I am putting my hopes in Q950TS To break this obsession

This pride of Samsung should make everyone able to have a chance to have it

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enjoying my TV. (and working too much) ;-)

no dimming issues here, and it's been on a lot. I'm in NJ with 4 people quarantined in my house = It's on for the majority of the day.

Still very happy with the purchase, watched 4 episodes of WestWorld in the last 2 days, constantly impressed. Gaming on it every night, playing Destiny 2, literally thought to myself last night that its like I'm playing a new game (was on the Z9D for the past few months), its so much more vibrant than the Z9D and the Q900R.

I've been playing around with settings in Natural and Movie mode. In my bright room during the day I think I may prefer Natural. Dynamic mode is really just that and for those that want that super saturated look they will enjoy it, but I prefer a more accurate picture.

Thanks! Glad to hear you’re enjoying the TV! Can you comment on the motion handling? Do you use Auto Motion Plus? Any frame stuttering? That’s my main concern with Samsung’s. I like to use motion smoothing but have always had issues with Samsung’s in that department. I don’t mean judder. I mean it actually stutters and appears to skip frames when using auto motion plus. I would see this on cable feed and blu ray. It sounds like they may have finally fixed it this year with a new pull down algorithm so I’m curious. Thanks in advance!


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