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My co-worker is a major tekkie and did calibrations(well helped) for a former job. I think he did great job with my cable hookup, so I'm sharing, he spent 2 hours on it. Via Component on SA 8300HD DVR cable box on 40XBR4:


Added: This was done at night with room lights turned off.

Custom:

Backlight: 4 (Added: with light sensor off, which I normally keep on)
Picture: 90
Brightness: 45
Color: 60
Hue: 0
Temp: COOL
Sharpness: 64
Noise Reduc: Low
Mpeg: Off
DRC: Off

Black Corrector: Off
Advanced C.E.: low
Gamma: Low
C White: Off
C Space: Standard
Live Color: Low

White Balance:

R Gain: -3
G Gain: -4
B Gain: -2
R Bias: +3
G Bias: -2
B Bias: +4

Detail Enhancer: Low
Edge Enhancer: High

This really works well for me, let me know if you try it...and thoughts.

Added: he was very impressed by the XBR4 after calibration, and is a plasma guy. I'm very impressed with his calibration, perfect to my eyes. those are strong words.

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This is my first post. I am a previous owner of a Sharp LC46D92U. After 2 sets I asked for a refund. I recently purchased a 46" XBR5 and the PQ is excellent, but I am also having problems with "juddering." I have this with SD and HD TV viewing. I am using HMDI from the XBR to the HD cable box. This is very annoying and hope someone could help me with this problem. My decision was between the Sammy 81 and the XBR5 after returning the Sharp. I hope the "judder" can be fixed, I would hate to have to return the Sony if it can not be rectified.

I am starting to suspect that judder issues start with the cable and satellite stations increasing the speed of their video to allot more time for advertising. Our high end displays are not responding well to this. High quality displays seem to catch all the crap being thrown at us by greedy signal providers. We as consumers need to call these providers and complain. I am considering lobbying my congressman to write legislation to outlaw this practice. What we as consumers pay for the "privilege" of leasing the providers expensive equipment. Also the high price we pay for programming should be sufficient revenue. Just my 0.2
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Hi everybody,

New here, I have an XBR4 46". I saw some XBR2 owners suggesting they might be interested in the bezel. If you are in SoCal and are interested PM me.

I know you can replace the bezels but do you know if there is any way to remove the floating glass panel without major surgery? Not a big deal but I think it would look better with just a plain frame. Otherwise I love my 40XBR4!
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I know you can replace the bezels but do you know if there is any way to remove the floating glass panel without major surgery? Not a big deal but I think it would look better with just a plain frame. Otherwise I love my 40XBR4!

I don't think the glass would ever come off easy...
But if you want to void your warranty and "break new ground" feel free.
There a few others here that would love to know this as well.


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Longer warranty and it comes with RS233 for XBR5.

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What's a RS233?
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Here is a good setting, but I need to see how it holds up, and what changes it needs. XA2 directly into the XBR4 via HDMI 1.3 cable. Calibrated using LOTR Fellowship, as it's a tough calibration.

CUSTOM
Backlight: 4
Picture: 68
Brightness: 53
Color: 51
Hue: 0
Temp: Neutral
Sharpness: 55
Noise Reduc: Low
Black Corrector: Off
Advanced CE: Medium
Gamma: Low
Clear White: Off
Color Space: Standard
Live Color: Off
WHITE BALANCE:

Red Gain: -3
Green Gain: -5
Blue Gain: 0
Red Bias: -2
Green Bias: -1
Blue Bias: 0

Detail Enhancer: Low
Edge Enhancer: High

Motion Enhancer: Standard

Someone Else give these a whirl, and post your level of happiness. Thanks

Where's the Cinemotion? Is that the same as Motion Enhancer?
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Have you guys seen this t.v.,it has no ghosting effects,real blackness,and check out the color wide enhancer feature.(Click on the viewing features button and scoll to the bottom of the screen to check out that feature.Plus check out the movie plus feature,no judder,no blurs at all)
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My co-worker is a major tekkie and did calibrations(well helped) for a former job. I think he did great job with my cable hookup, so I'm sharing, he spent 2 hours on it. Via Component on SA 8300HD DVR cable box on 40XBR4:


Added: This was done at night with room lights turned off.

Custom:

Backlight: 4 (Added: with light sensor off, which I normally keep on)
Picture: 90
Brightness: 45
Color: 60
Hue: 0
Temp: COOL
Sharpness: 64
Noise Reduc: Low
Mpeg: Off
DRC: Off

Black Corrector: Off
Advanced C.E.: low
Gamma: Low
C White: Off
C Space: Standard
Live Color: Low

White Balance:

R Gain: -3
G Gain: -4
B Gain: -2
R Bias: +3
G Bias: -2
B Bias: +4

Detail Enhancer: Low
Edge Enhancer: High

This really works well for me, let me know if you try it...and thoughts.

Added: he was very impressed by the XBR4 after calibration, and is a plasma guy. I'm very impressed with his calibration, perfect to my eyes. those are strong words.

I actually think that those are great settings for gaming/animated movies... but for broadcasting TV/movies, I would drop the picture (70nish) and sharpness (no more than 35-40) and go neutral on colors... try it that way and tell me what your thoughts are.

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Are you lost SciFiTy?

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lol,nope I just kept hearing some people talking about how the blacks on these Sony's could be blacker,and how some people have mentioned some blurred images,so I kinda been holding off on buying one,and when I saw this t.v. I just thought everyone would want to maybe check them out since it seems to be a little bit better.
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I've compiled a list of members XBR4 settings. I hope no one minds. But I wanted to post the list of everyone's calibration settings in a single quote so it's on one page and easy to find. The following posts are from speed08, mchamblissII, gordong11, edwyun, razorcut. I'm sure there will be more later. But I think these pretty much give everyone a good idea of where to start.

Note: Razorcut post his settings and then started to use edwyun's. Gordong11 posted his settings then later (co-worker's recommendation) redid his settings in which he posted again.



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My settings

KDL40XBR4

CUSTOM
Backlight: 2
Picture: 80
Brightness: 51
Color: 63
Hue: 0
Temp: Neutral
Sharpness: 50
Noise Red: Off
DRC Mode: Off
Black Corrector: Off
Advanced CE: Off
Gamma: Off
Clear White: Off
Color Space: Standard
Live Color: Off

WHITE BALANCE:
Red Gain: -2
Green Gain: -4
Blue Gain: -10
Red Bias: -4
Green Bias: -4
Blue Bias: 1

Detail Enhancer: High
Edge Enhancer: Off
Power Savings: Off

Motion Enhancer: High


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Ok because i had this tv on Standard
This is my settings
CUSTOM
Backlight: 6
Picture: 85
Brightness: 53
Color: 65
Hue: 0
Temp: Neutral
Sharpness: 70
Noise Red: Off
DRC Mode: Off
Black Corrector: low
Advanced CE: medium
Gamma: medium
Clear White: low
Color Space: wide
Live Color: Off
Detail Enhancer: low
Edge Enhancer: low
Power Savings: Off

Motion Enhancer: standard


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Here are are my cable settings, via component.

BL: 3
Pict: 64
Bright: 47
Color: 54
Hue: 0
Temp: Neutral
Sharp: 68
Noise Reduc: Low
MPEG: Off
DRC: Off

Black Corr: Off
ADV. CE: Low
Gamma: Low
Clr White: Off
C Space: Standard
Live Color: Off

White Balance

RG: -3
GG: -1
BG: -4
RB: -2
GB: -2
BB: +2

Detail Enhancer: Off
Edge Enhancer: high

Motion Enhancer: High
Cinemotion: Auto 2

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Although still being tweaked, here's my settings (blacks are good and any clouding issues gone)...

Backlight 4
Picture 90
Brightness 48
Color 52
Hue R2
Color Temp Warm2
Sharpness 20
Noise Red. Off
MPEG NR Off
DRC Mode Off
Black Corrector Off
Advanced C.E. Off
Gamma Off
Clear White Off
Color Space Std.
Live Color Off
White Balance:
R - gain 0
G - gain -14
B - gain -8
R - bias 4
G - bias 4
B - bias 8
Detail Enhancer Off
Edge Enhancer Off

VIDEO:
Motion Enhancer Std.
CineMotion Auto2

GENERAL:
Power Saving Low
Light Sensor Off

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Over the weekend I received my Sony 46 XBR4 from Crutchfield and have been tweaking the settings to see if I can completely eliminate the mild clouding/mura patterns that exist only in the upper right hand and lower left hand quarter of the screen. Last winter I returned two XBR2s over this issue and I have to say that the XBR4's picture is nothing compared to the bright splotches and flashlight corners I had on those TVs. On the second XBR2 the flashlights were so bright you could go spelunking with them. They bled through almost every darkly lit scene. Watching horror films or Rome on HBO was annoying and frustrating. The clouding on this XBR4 doesn't bleed through unless the screen is completely image free (all black) or black credits (but not all black credits; The Departed, yes, Happy Feet, no). Other than this slight clouding I'm very happy with this set's sharp and natural looking picture. The colors are brighter than the XBR2 and the flat black frame is a vast improvement over the silver one.

My question is, are there any settings to even out the all black image? I think I can live with this slight defect, but I'd love to remove it if I can. Here are my current custom settings (a tweaking of a fellow forum member's calibrations):

CUSTOM
Backlight: 4
Picture: 80
Brightness: 52
Color: 51
Hue: 0
Temp: Neutral
Sharpness: 55
Noise Reduction: Low
Black Corrector: Off
Advance CE: Medium
Gama: Low
Clear White: Off
Color Space: Standard
Live Color: Off
White Balance:
Red Grain: -3
Green Gain: -3
Blue Gain: 0
Red Bias: -2
Green Bias: -1
Blue Bias: 0

Detail Enhancer: Low
Edge Enhancer: High

Motion Enhancer: Standard
Cinamotion: Auto 2
Motionflow: Standard

The TV is connected with separate HDMI cables to a Time Warner DVR box and a Toshiba HD-XA2.

For those worried about having to return a defective TV, I highly recommend Crutchfield. I returned three sets last winter (one was a Sharp Aquos with banding issues) and their service was excellent.


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edwyun, I went to the xbr3 calibration thread and found a post by you with calibration suggestions. I couldn't find one for xbr4/5, unless you were referring to the first xbr4/5 thread that was cancelled due to price talk. In any event, would you please post your complete settings for reducing/getting rid of clouding. I'm a little on the fence about whether I've got a set that needs to be returned.

Right after posting the above paragraph, I found the Official Sony XBR4/5 Calibration Thread with your settings:

*****************

Although still being tweaked, here's my (Edwyun's) settings (blacks are good and any clouding issues gone)...


Backlight 4
Picture 90
Brightness 48
Color 52
Hue R2
Color Temp Warm2
Sharpness 20
Noise Red. Off
MPEG NR Off
DRC Mode Off
Black Corrector Off
Advanced C.E. Off
Gamma Off
Clear White Off
Color Space Std.
Live Color Off
White Balance:
R - gain 0
G - gain -14
B - gain -8
R - bias 4
G - bias 4
B - bias 8
Detail Enhancer Off
Edge Enhancer Off

VIDEO:
Motion Enhancer Std.
CineMotion Auto2

GENERAL:
Power Saving Low
Light Sensor Off

**************

The clouding seems to be dependant on the source material. I watched "The Road Warrior" last night and though the clouding didn't bleed through on the picture it did on the credits and all the long fades to black between scenes. Most of the time, the clouding is more like an uneven grey that wants to be all black. Is this what everyone is experiencing and calling "no clouding"? Or do sets exist that have a solid black transition signal and no bleeding clouds during black credits?

Thanks for your help.

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My co-worker is a major tekkie and did calibrations(well helped) for a former job. I think he did great job with my cable hookup, so I'm sharing, he spent 2 hours on it. Via Component on SA 8300HD DVR cable box on 40XBR4:


Added: This was done at night with room lights turned off.

Custom:

Backlight: 4 (Added: with light sensor off, which I normally keep on)
Picture: 90
Brightness: 45
Color: 60
Hue: 0
Temp: COOL
Sharpness: 64
Noise Reduc: Low
Mpeg: Off
DRC: Off

Black Corrector: Off
Advanced C.E.: low
Gamma: Low
C White: Off
C Space: Standard
Live Color: Low

White Balance:

R Gain: -3
G Gain: -4
B Gain: -2
R Bias: +3
G Bias: -2
B Bias: +4

Detail Enhancer: Low
Edge Enhancer: High

This really works well for me, let me know if you try it...and thoughts.

Added: he was very impressed by the XBR4 after calibration, and is a plasma guy. I'm very impressed with his calibration, perfect to my eyes. those are strong words.

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Ok, just checking. I like the blacks on it actually. I might be one of the few that don't mind crush. Can't stand it in video games though. Few clicks and it's taken care of.

Here are a few shots from tonight. I will say it's damn near impossible to capture an image off a tv with a digital camera, and have it represent what your eyes see. The luminosity can kill a sensor without even trying.




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Is there some kind of HDMI option on these t.v.s where you can set it to low or something,someone was saying on a web site that they had it on their t.v.s and when they done that,it got rid of the blur images.
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I just got a CC 10% e-mail for the "2 day only Labor Day sale" on TVs $199 an up.

It says to use this URL and it the 10% will be applied automatically at checkout.

http://email.circuitcity.com/W8RH02A...D7CEF36FF68470

I guess it applies at the end...as I was too lazy to fill out everything to see if it works. I already purchased my 52XBR4 from CP.

Hope this helps someone "take the plunge".

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Ok, just checking. I like the blacks on it actually. I might be one of the few that don't mind crush. Can't stand it in video games though. Few clicks and it's taken care of.

Those are great pics pdp. Mind giving us your calibration settings?

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I've compiled a list of members XBR4 settings. I hope no one minds. But I wanted to post the list of everyone's calibration settings in a single quote so it's on one page and easy to find.

Thanks a lot for putting that together.

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Anyone having problems with the Motionflow? I get a "judder or a "glitching" on the screen when there is some fast moving scenes when set on High? I have the video running through my Xbox or my Xbox 360 with component cables when this happens? Anyone else experience this in a similar setup maybe with a standard or upconverting DVD Player connected to Component?

Anyone?
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Anyone?

I've only experienced that when Motion Flow was on High and Cinemotion was on Auto1. Changing Cinemotion to Auto2 or Off removes any artifacting for me.

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I know you can replace the bezels but do you know if there is any way to remove the floating glass panel without major surgery? Not a big deal but I think it would look better with just a plain frame. Otherwise I love my 40XBR4!

If these are exactly like the XBR2/XBR3, then the answer would be no. If you look at the IR receptor for the television, it is located inside of the floating glass and cannot be removed. I rather like the floating glass, but I can see where you are coming from.

Can the owners of this television confirm how deep and dark the black levels are? I have heard people saying they were very pleased with the black levels, and others saying that it doesn't even touch a plasma. Thanks in advance!
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New batteries may have helped a little. Still doesn't work unless you're within 6 feet and within a 30 degree arc of the front of the unit.

Sounds sillly, I know but it's frustrating.

Actually I've noticed this, too.
On my set, it's only the narrow IR receiving angle that is causing me some small headaches. Fortunately my sweet spot is directly in front of the tv. (40xbr4)
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I'm a new xbr4 owner who is trying to get the settings down as best possible. I have a sony blu ray player and was wondering the best settings for my blu ray to display as smooth as movement as possible. Do I use the 1080/24p or do I use the 1080/60 auto? Its probably a stupid question but these are new terms for me. Also, whats the best settings to put the television on as far as Cinemotion and Motion Enhancer when coupled with a blu-ray player. If anybody has any ideas on the subject, can u help a brother out? Thanks guys, any info would be appreciated.
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Perhaps there is a small piece of static plastic over the emitter (to keep it from getting scratched in shipment)?
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Checked. Nope, no cover for protection.

It just seems to me to be a flaw in the prism in the bezel feature that replects the IR signal up to the receiver. Does that make sense?
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Would someone kindly explain the significant technical changes (improvements i hope) of the new XBR's compared to last year's? (i apologize if it's already buried somewhere in this thread). i can't make sense out of the goobledegook on the Sony product webpage.
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I just got a CC 10% e-mail for the "2 day only Labor Day sale" on TVs $199 an up.

Hope this helps someone "take the plunge".

Hey twilleyj - thanks a lot for sharing the info! I've just "taken the plunge" and hopefully soon will become a new 52XBR4 owner The CC local store has these in stock.
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