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UNGoDLyBXR 04-16-2008 10:32 PM

nice chevyman! i have just been watching full screen dvds and using the scrolling function on my tv for a couple of hours, you had no signs of IR at all? i wanna play my 360 SOOO BAD but im still kinda skeptikal about it for now ive had my tv for like 3 days now so i imagine ive put about... 30 hours on it so far.

UNGoDLyBXR 04-16-2008 10:34 PM

IF anyone has optimal settings for the tv please post them, id like to see what everyone has their settings on.

blklightning 04-17-2008 12:53 AM

can anyone briefly explain the difference between this set and last year's 5064? in other words, in what ways is this set an improvement over the 5064?

bjdupuis 04-17-2008 07:18 AM

As far as the buzz goes I was a bit concerned, too, after hearing about the buzz in previous sets. Especially given how picky my wife is about stuff. With my ear hovering 5 inches from the back of the TV I can hear a buzz. That's it, really.

cv1981 04-17-2008 10:23 AM

Here are my picture settings, and no they are not great. A couple things I might change are dynamic contrast to off, and the hdmi black level to off too.
these are my settings for the hd pvr

mode standard
cell light 4
contrast 43
brightness 60
sharpness 61
color 52
tint g 52 r 48
detailed settings
black adjust low
dynamic contrast low
gamma +2
flesh tone -12
edge enhancement off
picture options
color tone cool1
everything off in picture options except hdmi black level low

what are everyone elses settings?

blklightning 04-17-2008 02:36 PM

did they get rid of the juddering problem that the 5064 has?

UNGoDLyBXR 04-17-2008 06:44 PM

cv how long you had your tv?? that brightness seems a little high if its new tv...

ercc 04-17-2008 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by blklightning View Post

did they get rid of the juddering problem that the 5064 has?

Yes. It was also fixed via firmware on the 54/64 series.

tristeng 04-17-2008 10:05 PM

hey all...just got mine delivered today and wow, great tv. i'm new to the plasma screen group so i'm a little worried about ir and burn-in...there was nothing in the manual to suggest any break-in, so i was wondering if i could get your input...i thought i read that the newer gen plasmas are supposed to be a little better when it comes to ir? are there any specific video settings (contrast, brightness, etc.) that i should be using? for how long? 100 hrs?

i so want to get cod4 going on my ps3...

LondonViking 04-18-2008 06:52 AM

Hello fellow Samsung PN50A450 owners/potential owners.

I have had the TV for about 2 weeks now. It replaced a Toshiba 34 CRT HD which I thought was fantastic. Unfortunately, I came to realize it was too small compared to the TV's my friends were installing.

So far, I have been extremely pleased with the purchase. I thought HD was great on the 34" from about 10 feet away, but this is a totally different ball game. The detail and colours are extremely vibrant. The Masters was breathtaking on the weekend.

My kids have played their Wii since day one. The installer of the TV told me he plays his PS3 constantly on his 5054. I have seen zero IR/Burn In (knock on wood) at this point. I limit their play time, but I want to enjoy the TV and not be obsessed with IR that is going to go away anyway.

My settings at this point are as follows (these were set up by the individual delivering the TV)

Mode - Movie
Cell Light - 3
Contrast - 79
Brightness- 44
Sharpness - 20
Colour - 50
Tint - G50 R50
Black Adjust - Off
Dynamic Contrast - Off
Gamma - 0
Color Space - Auto
White Balance- did not touch
Flesh Tone - 0
Edge Enhancement- Off

I will be having the TV professionally calibrated in a couple weeks (although I am not certain it is required). I will keep you posted if I revise the settings after that.

Take care,

FishingNoram 04-18-2008 12:48 PM

How do you save the TV setting on PN50A450?

tlendy25 04-18-2008 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by etw926 View Post

If I read one more burn-in post I am going to strangle someone!!!!! IT IS A NON-ISSUE WITH TODAY'S PLASMA'S!!!!

To say that it is a non issue is a little misleading. There are plenty of people who have problems with TIR on their plasma televisions. This IS a possibility on a plasma.

However, it is like anything else. If you tell someone to look for it they will look for it. And therefore they will see it because they are looking for it.

The fact is that if an ADULT owns a plasma and they take simple precautions they can GREATLY REDUCE their chances of having image retention problems.

Things like:


Aside from that, thats about it. If you do notice significant TIR or burn in after the first 100 hours return the tv. We all know that we watch WAY too much TV in this country. 100 hours is like 9 days of ownership for most people. So you should be within your 30 day return window. Chances are you just got a lemon.

I have an LG 50pc5d. If you read any reviews about that TV at least 1/2 of them talk about IR being a problem. The other half doest. I took a chance after comparing it to a Sammy and a Panny. DIdnt notice a picture quality difference and took a shot at the LG hoping that I wouldnt have a problem.
The first week or two I did everything you are supposed to do and still had significant IR. Seems like a static image for 10 seconds would be visible for several minutes. *BUT* it would go away after like a 15 second white wash.

Now, two months later. I play COD4 a few hours a night. Just yesterday I had all day off and got in like 7 hours straight. Didnt see IR at all when I was done.

So, I agree that the TIR question is asked a million times, but dont tell people that it is a non issue.

tlendy25 04-18-2008 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by UNGoDLyBXR View Post

ohh yeh? .. thats why my best friend has a lg plasma he got few weeks ago and it has the burn in already of a HUD from a game so if its a non issue why did that happen?

Let me guess, a 50pc5d or a 42pc5d

Those are the two most common culprits of burn in that I hear about when it comes to LG. I heard a Best Buy associate tell me that there was a bad batch of them that went out and they had a ton of returns on them. IF you read the reviews on CC or BB site it seems like all the negative reviews occured around roughly the same time. So, that may be a reason.

I also had an associate from Ultimate Electronics tell me that they no longer sell the LG tvs due to nearly 1/3 of them being returned.

I personally took all of this with a grain of salt and determined that the picture quality was up to par with Panny and Sammy. I figured that I would return for something else if the TV didnt perform. I think my chance paid off in the end.

I own a 50pc5d and it had bad TIR for the first two weeks or so. Now, the thing works perfectly. No TIR.

Does your friend have actual burn in or just TIR. Burn in is permanent and irreversible. TIR is Temporary Image Retention. Usually goes away after a few minutes. Sorry to explain things to you if you already know the difference, but want to make sure that you know the difference.

tlendy25 04-18-2008 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by UNGoDLyBXR View Post

just got my samsung yesterday and i love it so far, but is there any other owners out there that know the optimal settings to reduce chance of burn in or IR? Love the tv so far , i just want to be carefull as possible any help is appreciated and if you own this tv let me know how you like it!

Actually, I just looked at another post that you talked about the LG. We had this conversation before. Sorry to go over it again with you.

You looked at the 50pc5d and made a thread about it. It appears that you opted against it. Thats cool. What were some of the reasons.

Also, I dont know if I ever sent you my gamer tag or not as you asked me to do.

Its "viral chaos" on Xbox and "viral_chaos" on PSN. I dont really care if others send me a friend request....so Im not concerned about putting it on a public thread.

UNGoDLyBXR 04-18-2008 11:39 PM

tlendy i got a better deal for the samsung tv it was less than the LG and has more features , im sure the lg is a great tv but when i compared the 2 this one seems like the better deal

UNGoDLyBXR 04-18-2008 11:40 PM

Tlendy ive had my tv for about 4 or 5 days when do you recommend playing cod4 and halo 3 for hours at a time.

LondonViking 04-19-2008 05:14 AM

Forgot to add WARM 2 to my settings(anything else seems too bright):

Mode - Movie
Cell Light - 3
Contrast - 79
Brightness- 44
Sharpness - 20
Colour - 50
Tint - G50 R50
Black Adjust - Off
Dynamic Contrast - Off
Gamma - 0
Color Space - Auto
White Balance- did not touch
Flesh Tone - 0
Edge Enhancement- Off

bubba77 04-19-2008 05:50 PM

I just received a PN42A450P as a replacement for a defective HP-4253. I did not see a dedicated thread to this set so thought that the 50A450P thread would be appropriate. If not please forgive me. First impressions after dealing with my defective unit is that it is a much nicer TV. Although i was bummed to learn no picture in picture on this set. This set does much better with SD Feeds than my previous unit. I have not had time to play with it that much after getting it mounted and all hooked up. I appreciate all the setting given so far and would appreciate more setting if possible. Will let you know more once I get some time to play with the set. I will be feeding it the following HTPC, Directv HDDVR, HDDVD, and PS3.

huharder 04-20-2008 02:07 AM

Tried connecting my 50A450 to the PC using a DVI cable .. I'm getting a "mode not supported" message. Has anyone else experienced this. Any tips on how I can resolve this?


shayking 04-20-2008 07:01 AM

Try setting your GPU to a standard resolution (with PC monitor), say 1024x768.

then youll be able to change to the Native Res after boot with DVI>HDMI 2 input.

Im using a DVI to HDMI cable via ATI gpu hooked up to "HDMI2".
(manual states DVI PC connection needs to be set on HDMI2 input)

MIAsony 04-20-2008 08:27 AM

Hey guys. I ordered this 50 sammy on friday from buydig,cant wait to get it. I currently have a 32 sammy lcd and a 30 sony 30xs955. The crt is great for sports and movies,but a little small. The sammy sucks for sports but good for regular tv shows.I cant wait to see how this 50 plasma compares to my other 2. I read here alot how some of you complain how the crt's have better overall black levels,but Ill take the bigger size and perfect geometry over perfect sony crt black levels. Ill post pics as soon as I get and setup the plasma..

blklightning 04-20-2008 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by ercc View Post

Yes. It was also fixed via firmware on the 54/64 series.

how do you get the new firmware?

wait, the 450 has 3d capability? how well does this feature work?

ercc 04-21-2008 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by blklightning View Post

how do you get the new firmware?

wait, the 450 has 3d capability? how well does this feature work?



after reading the instructions, click on 'firmware library'

the new firmware fixes judder on most sets in the 2007 720p plasma series. DO NOT install it on the 2008 sets (ie the model that this thread deals with). It will not work, and judder is not present on these sets anyway.

I'm not sure how well the 3d thing works.

blklightning 04-21-2008 01:48 PM

this should be my last post in this thread:

so basically, i should go with whatever set that i can get the best deal on, yes?

5064 is the other one, just for reference.

bear in mind that a slight increase in pq won't be a factor. however, if it's a significant increase in color accuracy, black levels, etc. then i'd want that set.

ercc 04-21-2008 03:27 PM

I am wondering how much of a PQ increase there will be as well, but I am fairly certain that everything (black level, color accuracy etc.) will be a little bit better, as it has been every year with Samsung (especially 2006 to 2007). So I would put a price on the value of the upgrade. As long as the 50a450 is say no more than $100 extra over the 5064, definitely go for it.

I definitely noticed an improvement in black levels in best buy, although I did not do any settings adjustment so my observations may not mean much.

blklightning 04-21-2008 04:21 PM

^^yeah, i've just now come to the conclusion that my series of questions is going to lead to very subjective responses. so it looks like it'll be the 50a450 ftw just to be safe.

bjdupuis 04-22-2008 07:14 AM

Well this doesn't bode well. My set now beeps randomly when powered off. Sounds like someone rapidly and randomly pushing the buttons on the face of the TV. Anyone seen anything like this?

bjdupuis 04-23-2008 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by bjdupuis View Post

Well this doesn't bode well. My set now beeps randomly when powered off. Sounds like someone rapidly and randomly pushing the buttons on the face of the TV. Anyone seen anything like this?

As an update, I exchanged the beeping set for a new one last night. That was the first the store had heard of the issue, and I haven't been able to find mention of it online. Hopefully it's a rare, weirdo problem.

jacksim 04-25-2008 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by cv1981 View Post

I have had this tv for nearly two weeks, I am very happy with it except for one problem. I'm not sure if it's burn in or retention, but the bottom left HUD from COD4 is burned in. It has been there for 3 or 4 days, it looks like it is getting lighter though. I have the pixel shifting and that crap on in the settings also. The picture is decent compared to the pioneer 5080, coming from someone who had a kuro 5080 before this. I have noticed some retention on the screen, but usually goes away within a few minutes. I do have dynamic contrast set to low, it seemed like the HUD burn in came after i enabled that... I'm going to try and use one of those burn in dvd's to see if it aleviates the problem... if not I dont know what im going to do

also when using the htpc on the tv there is no overscanning at all

Ah, a 5080 owner! Thanks for the post, cv1981.

I've been thinking on getting a Pioneer 5080 for a long while now but just couldn't tackle the price point when so much of the competition was scratching much lower on it's back. And the price is still way up there (in Canada) for a good reason I suspect.

After seeing the 5080 in the flesh many times, I marvelled at the deep blacks and the lack of screen reflection that so many other brands demonstrated.

And I have yet to see very much in the way of any professional reviews (including cnet) of the Sammy A450.

So my question to you is, just how has the Sammy compared with respect to the black levels and anti-reflection qualities with the Pio 5080 -- is this set a good replacement for the 5080?

Also, how have you found the sound quality on the Sammy unit?

Appreciate your comments now that you've had a chance to compare sets.

aboutbob 04-28-2008 09:31 AM


I too am interested in you comparing the 450 to the 5080. The black levels on the Pio are fantastic to be sure. But, overall it seems to be a bit dull especially in moderate to bright lighting. In the BB and CC the 450 is set to torch and looks impressive. But, I’m not so sure about the black level and shadow detail. I am most interested in how the 450 is for movies with dark scenes and is it really true what we are reading here… there isn't any judder? Nowhere can I find that the 450 has 3:2 pull down or any thing related to film/movies.

So, how does the 450 compare in the home environment? I am sure that I am not alone in anticipating your evaluation/comparison of these to plasmas. Thanks!

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