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UNGoDLyBXR 04-15-2008 01:30 PM

just got my samsung yesterday and i love it so far, but is there any other owners out there that know the optimal settings to reduce chance of burn in or IR? Love the tv so far , i just want to be carefull as possible any help is appreciated and if you own this tv let me know how you like it!

bjdupuis 04-15-2008 01:38 PM

Good call on the thread. I'll repost this here as my impressions since it fits better here anyway.

Walked out of the local HH Gregg with the PN50A450 set this weekend. I was strongly considering the Samsung 46" A650 1080p panel but even standing 5 feet away the differences -- on everything but BluRay it was pretty difficult to see any difference -- weren't enough for the wife and I to justify an additional $1000. We were upgrading from a Sampo SME-34WHD 34" tube HDTV that we'd had for years.

First impressions are extremely favorable. With TWC through a SA 8000/8300HD (forget which) over component it's a definite improvement. Obviously any compression artifacts are much more easily distinguishable -- Noggin SD shows for my daughter are hideous and cause me almost physical pain -- which takes some getting used to but good quality programs and signals are quite incredible. Black levels are good and the brightness of the panel -- with the "Cell Light" at about 6 if I recall -- is considerable. There are a whole slew of settings to diddle with and I've been swapping back and forth through various ones.

I tried my 360 over component and VGA and VGA wins simply through the expedient of supporting the native 1360x768 resolution. I'm so familiar with the menus in NHL08 on my previous set and through my computer monitor that the first time I saw the 360 over component in 720p on the Sammy I could tell that it wasn't quite as smooth and rounded as it should be, almost certainly due to the upscaling to the native resolution the set was doing. So hooking up with VGA and displaying native resolution returned it to its glory.

Someday I'll get a BluRay player (*cough*PS3*cough*) so I can see some real, high bitrate content. We happened upon King Kong on TNT-HD the other night which is usually a proposition for incorrect aspect ratios and just madness, but the wife and I both stopped and said "wow". It was, of course, the sunset scene and it solidified our decision. Even knowing it was TNT and therefore likely not the highest bitrate, it was the "wow effect" we hadn't had for years since we got used to HD on the Sampo. Truly a stunning picture in all ways from our viewing position ~12 feet away in a darkened room.

I can't compare to anything but the Sampo, sorry. But I'm pleased with our purchase given our experiences.

UNGoDLyBXR 04-15-2008 01:48 PM

So you have TWC? me also, those images in the corners tv station logos will those not burn into plasma displays if left on for long periods of time? i havnt hooked my cable up to this tv yet because i am worried i have been watching full screen movies on my plasma via the xbox 360 and HDMI cable.

bjdupuis 04-15-2008 02:02 PM

Dunno, I'm no plasma expert. Did you enable the pixel shifting feature which is supposed to help mitigate this somewhat? I believe for these sets it's recommended to go 2/4/4 for horizontal/vertical/time but I can't recall where I saw that .

UNGoDLyBXR 04-15-2008 02:37 PM

well ill do some research on it and see if i can find anything if i do i will let you know , thanks for ur help

etw926 04-15-2008 02:51 PM

If I read one more burn-in post I am going to strangle someone!!!!! IT IS A NON-ISSUE WITH TODAY'S PLASMA'S!!!!

UNGoDLyBXR 04-15-2008 03:18 PM

ohh yeh? .. thats why my best friend has a lg plasma he got few weeks ago and it has the burn in already of a HUD from a game so if its a non issue why did that happen?

etw926 04-15-2008 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by UNGoDLyBXR View Post

ohh yeh? .. thats why my best friend has a lg plasma he got few weeks ago and it has the burn in already of a HUD from a game so if its a non issue why did that happen?

If you abuse any TV that will happen. It is not exclusive to plasma tv's.

ciremg01 04-15-2008 04:50 PM

Hey guys,

I just saw this TV in Fry's this weekend and was REALLY impressed. I too compared it to the 5 Series plasma, as well as the new 5 & 6 series LCD, and this one DEFINITELY seems like the best bang for your buck. Up until now, I was thinking I'd be going LCD, but viewing even the newest Sammies A550 and A650 series LCDs I just can't do it. LCD's still look too grainy to me, even though they've improved tremendously. Like bjdupuis said, I don't think 1080 is worth the extra $1000, or even $500 for that matter. Just my opinion of course. I've been looking at flat panels for like a year now, and I think this one is for me. I'll report back as soon as I get it.

One question bjdupuis, have you tried hooking it up to a pc yet? I've read some plasmas in the past have had issues with pc hookups. Thanks for the info guys.

UNGoDLyBXR 04-15-2008 05:23 PM

etw, i had a 32 inch lcd , right when i got it i played games all day long, i always left my tv on the dashboard for days at a time, ive never ever had any type of ir or burn in i never even knew about it till i was looking at plasma tvs...

UNGoDLyBXR 04-15-2008 05:24 PM

i have a pc that im gonna connect to my samsung some time tonight ill let you know if i have any problems.

etw926 04-15-2008 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by UNGoDLyBXR View Post

etw, i had a 32 inch lcd , right when i got it i played games all day long, i always left my tv on the dashboard for days at a time, ive never ever had any type of ir or burn in i never even knew about it till i was looking at plasma tvs...

Do yourself a favor and do a search for plasma burn-in threads. When you are done, come back and tell me how many actual cases of burn-in there are. You'll be surprised at the %.

cv1981 04-15-2008 07:01 PM

I have had this tv for nearly two weeks, I am very happy with it except for one problem. I'm not sure if it's burn in or retention, but the bottom left HUD from COD4 is burned in. It has been there for 3 or 4 days, it looks like it is getting lighter though. I have the pixel shifting and that crap on in the settings also. The picture is decent compared to the pioneer 5080, coming from someone who had a kuro 5080 before this. I have noticed some retention on the screen, but usually goes away within a few minutes. I do have dynamic contrast set to low, it seemed like the HUD burn in came after i enabled that... I'm going to try and use one of those burn in dvd's to see if it aleviates the problem... if not I dont know what im going to do

also when using the htpc on the tv there is no overscanning at all

UNGoDLyBXR 04-15-2008 10:55 PM

ok if you play COD4 i recommend playing team deathmatch hardcore most of the time theres no HUD what so ever, i played 5 minutes of halo 3 and i had a IR of the radar in the lower left corner of my tv so i quickly switched it to whitewash and let it sit for about 10 minutes and it fully went away... if i had played halo for 30 minutes i dunno how easily it wouldnt came out???

ChevyIIMan 04-15-2008 11:38 PM

We purchased the PN50A450 last weekend to replace our 3yr old 42" Sony Grand Wega LCD Projection HDTV. We were actually looking at the new LG 50" but this one caught my wife eye and we went for it. PQ on this is very very good compared to our LCD projection HDTV. I have yet to fully calibrate it but I was able to get it mounted on the wall. Overall were very happy and impressed by the HD contwent weve watched on Cable.


ChevyIIMan 04-16-2008 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by UNGoDLyBXR View Post

ok if you play COD4 i recommend playing team deathmatch hardcore most of the time theres no HUD what so ever, i played 5 minutes of halo 3 and i had a IR of the radar in the lower left corner of my tv so i quickly switched it to whitewash and let it sit for about 10 minutes and it fully went away... if i had played halo for 30 minutes i dunno how easily it wouldnt came out???

Really after 5min of play? Some stations leave tickers or logos for longer then that and ive noticed no IR on mine. Even the bars on the side of ESPN HD

ChevyIIMan 04-16-2008 12:04 AM

Questions for owners, on my Sony it had a FULL mode that would strech 4:3 content to fit 16:9 perfectly. Cant seems to find a setting on this one that doesnt cut off parts of the image to fill the entire screen.

cv1981 04-16-2008 07:52 AM

I downloaded the burn in dvd-r, and it's working great. It's been going for about 10 hours and the burnin/ir from COD4 is almost gone, maybe after another day of this it will be completely gone.

FishingNoram 04-16-2008 08:44 AM

I also purchased the Samsung 50" and would like to know if it's better than LG 50" Widescreen Plasma HDTV (50PC5D) ?

UNGoDLyBXR 04-16-2008 02:08 PM

fishing i had my eye on that same exact tv, ive been comparing the two, and i am VERY happy with the purchase i made i love my samsung , the LG looked ok but ive heard very mixed reviews about it this tv has alot more features than the LG and i dont see anything about anti burn in on that LG model.... and one of my friends has that same model also and he played call of duty 4 for about 30 minutes on it and you could see the hud its very ugly when he watches regular tv it makes me sick at my stomach! if i had any trace of IR or burn in on my new samsung id cry/!

UNGoDLyBXR 04-16-2008 02:10 PM

nice pics chevy man, when i get pix of mine ill post them up here for you to see mine also. are you happy with the tv so far?

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Originally Posted by ChevyIIMan View Post

We purchased the PN50A450 last weekend to replace our 3yr old 42" Sony Grand Wega LCD Projection HDTV. We were actually looking at the new LG 50" but this one caught my wife eye and we went for it. PQ on this is very very good compared to our LCD projection HDTV. I have yet to fully calibrate it but I was able to get it mounted on the wall. Overall were very happy and impressed by the HD contwent weve watched on Cable.



ChevyIIMan 04-16-2008 02:29 PM

Yeah were very happy with it, I ran the burn in dvd for the first few days straight, an hour or so of Guitar Hero III on this TV and no IR at all. Still with is had a better mode to full screen 4:3 though.

Laxguy023 04-16-2008 04:24 PM

How is the buzz with these sets? Last years Sammy Plasma's the buzz was pretty loud especially when the image was bright. What's the feedback now?

etw926 04-16-2008 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Laxguy023 View Post

How is the buzz with these sets? Last years Sammy Plasma's the buzz was pretty loud especially when the image was bright. What's the feedback now?

No buzz with mine.

Laxguy023 04-16-2008 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by etw926 View Post

No buzz with mine.

Is it dead silent? What about when you put your ears to the back of the tv? any buzz at all?

ciremg01 04-16-2008 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Laxguy023 View Post

Is it dead silent? What about when you put your ears to the back of the tv? any buzz at all?

lol, ok, you got me. why? why do you care if it buzzes so quietly that you have to put your ear TO the TV to hear it? unless maybe you have the hearing of a dog or something?

etw926 04-16-2008 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Laxguy023 View Post

Is it dead silent? What about when you put your ears to the back of the tv? any buzz at all?

Wrong tv. I have the A550.

ChevyIIMan 04-16-2008 06:17 PM

Yeah no buzz here either.

Laxguy023 04-16-2008 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ciremg01 View Post

lol, ok, you got me. why? why do you care if it buzzes so quietly that you have to put your ear TO the TV to hear it? unless maybe you have the hearing of a dog or something?


i do.

UNGoDLyBXR 04-16-2008 10:29 PM

mine buzzez just a little bit but i have to put my ear basiclly on the tv lol

UNGoDLyBXR 04-16-2008 10:32 PM

nice chevyman! i have just been watching full screen dvds and using the scrolling function on my tv for a couple of hours, you had no signs of IR at all? i wanna play my 360 SOOO BAD but im still kinda skeptikal about it for now ive had my tv for like 3 days now so i imagine ive put about... 30 hours on it so far.

UNGoDLyBXR 04-16-2008 10:34 PM

IF anyone has optimal settings for the tv please post them, id like to see what everyone has their settings on.

blklightning 04-17-2008 12:53 AM

can anyone briefly explain the difference between this set and last year's 5064? in other words, in what ways is this set an improvement over the 5064?

bjdupuis 04-17-2008 07:18 AM

As far as the buzz goes I was a bit concerned, too, after hearing about the buzz in previous sets. Especially given how picky my wife is about stuff. With my ear hovering 5 inches from the back of the TV I can hear a buzz. That's it, really.

cv1981 04-17-2008 10:23 AM

Here are my picture settings, and no they are not great. A couple things I might change are dynamic contrast to off, and the hdmi black level to off too.
these are my settings for the hd pvr



mode standard
cell light 4
contrast 43
brightness 60
sharpness 61
color 52
tint g 52 r 48
detailed settings
black adjust low
dynamic contrast low
gamma +2
flesh tone -12
edge enhancement off
picture options
color tone cool1
everything off in picture options except hdmi black level low

what are everyone elses settings?

blklightning 04-17-2008 02:36 PM

did they get rid of the juddering problem that the 5064 has?

UNGoDLyBXR 04-17-2008 06:44 PM

cv how long you had your tv?? that brightness seems a little high if its new tv...

ercc 04-17-2008 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by blklightning View Post

did they get rid of the juddering problem that the 5064 has?


Yes. It was also fixed via firmware on the 54/64 series.

tristeng 04-17-2008 10:05 PM

hey all...just got mine delivered today and wow, great tv. i'm new to the plasma screen group so i'm a little worried about ir and burn-in...there was nothing in the manual to suggest any break-in, so i was wondering if i could get your input...i thought i read that the newer gen plasmas are supposed to be a little better when it comes to ir? are there any specific video settings (contrast, brightness, etc.) that i should be using? for how long? 100 hrs?

i so want to get cod4 going on my ps3...

LondonViking 04-18-2008 06:52 AM

Hello fellow Samsung PN50A450 owners/potential owners.

I have had the TV for about 2 weeks now. It replaced a Toshiba 34 CRT HD which I thought was fantastic. Unfortunately, I came to realize it was too small compared to the TV's my friends were installing.

So far, I have been extremely pleased with the purchase. I thought HD was great on the 34" from about 10 feet away, but this is a totally different ball game. The detail and colours are extremely vibrant. The Masters was breathtaking on the weekend.

My kids have played their Wii since day one. The installer of the TV told me he plays his PS3 constantly on his 5054. I have seen zero IR/Burn In (knock on wood) at this point. I limit their play time, but I want to enjoy the TV and not be obsessed with IR that is going to go away anyway.

My settings at this point are as follows (these were set up by the individual delivering the TV)

Mode - Movie
Cell Light - 3
Contrast - 79
Brightness- 44
Sharpness - 20
Colour - 50
Tint - G50 R50
Black Adjust - Off
Dynamic Contrast - Off
Gamma - 0
Color Space - Auto
White Balance- did not touch
Flesh Tone - 0
Edge Enhancement- Off

I will be having the TV professionally calibrated in a couple weeks (although I am not certain it is required). I will keep you posted if I revise the settings after that.

Take care,

FishingNoram 04-18-2008 12:48 PM

How do you save the TV setting on PN50A450?

tlendy25 04-18-2008 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by etw926 View Post

If I read one more burn-in post I am going to strangle someone!!!!! IT IS A NON-ISSUE WITH TODAY'S PLASMA'S!!!!

To say that it is a non issue is a little misleading. There are plenty of people who have problems with TIR on their plasma televisions. This IS a possibility on a plasma.

However, it is like anything else. If you tell someone to look for it they will look for it. And therefore they will see it because they are looking for it.

The fact is that if an ADULT owns a plasma and they take simple precautions they can GREATLY REDUCE their chances of having image retention problems.

Things like:
DONT PLAY A STATIC IMAGE ON THE TV FOR 72 HOURS STRAIGHT. NOT EVEN 24 HOURS STRAIGHT.

DONT PLAY YOUR PLASMA ON TORCH MODE FOR THE FIRST 100 OR SO HOURS.

Aside from that, thats about it. If you do notice significant TIR or burn in after the first 100 hours return the tv. We all know that we watch WAY too much TV in this country. 100 hours is like 9 days of ownership for most people. So you should be within your 30 day return window. Chances are you just got a lemon.

I have an LG 50pc5d. If you read any reviews about that TV at least 1/2 of them talk about IR being a problem. The other half doest. I took a chance after comparing it to a Sammy and a Panny. DIdnt notice a picture quality difference and took a shot at the LG hoping that I wouldnt have a problem.
The first week or two I did everything you are supposed to do and still had significant IR. Seems like a static image for 10 seconds would be visible for several minutes. *BUT* it would go away after like a 15 second white wash.

Now, two months later. I play COD4 a few hours a night. Just yesterday I had all day off and got in like 7 hours straight. Didnt see IR at all when I was done.

So, I agree that the TIR question is asked a million times, but dont tell people that it is a non issue.

tlendy25 04-18-2008 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by UNGoDLyBXR View Post

ohh yeh? .. thats why my best friend has a lg plasma he got few weeks ago and it has the burn in already of a HUD from a game so if its a non issue why did that happen?

Let me guess, a 50pc5d or a 42pc5d

Those are the two most common culprits of burn in that I hear about when it comes to LG. I heard a Best Buy associate tell me that there was a bad batch of them that went out and they had a ton of returns on them. IF you read the reviews on CC or BB site it seems like all the negative reviews occured around roughly the same time. So, that may be a reason.

I also had an associate from Ultimate Electronics tell me that they no longer sell the LG tvs due to nearly 1/3 of them being returned.

I personally took all of this with a grain of salt and determined that the picture quality was up to par with Panny and Sammy. I figured that I would return for something else if the TV didnt perform. I think my chance paid off in the end.

I own a 50pc5d and it had bad TIR for the first two weeks or so. Now, the thing works perfectly. No TIR.

Does your friend have actual burn in or just TIR. Burn in is permanent and irreversible. TIR is Temporary Image Retention. Usually goes away after a few minutes. Sorry to explain things to you if you already know the difference, but want to make sure that you know the difference.

tlendy25 04-18-2008 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by UNGoDLyBXR View Post

just got my samsung yesterday and i love it so far, but is there any other owners out there that know the optimal settings to reduce chance of burn in or IR? Love the tv so far , i just want to be carefull as possible any help is appreciated and if you own this tv let me know how you like it!

Actually, I just looked at another post that you talked about the LG. We had this conversation before. Sorry to go over it again with you.

You looked at the 50pc5d and made a thread about it. It appears that you opted against it. Thats cool. What were some of the reasons.

Also, I dont know if I ever sent you my gamer tag or not as you asked me to do.

Its "viral chaos" on Xbox and "viral_chaos" on PSN. I dont really care if others send me a friend request....so Im not concerned about putting it on a public thread.

UNGoDLyBXR 04-18-2008 11:39 PM

tlendy i got a better deal for the samsung tv it was less than the LG and has more features , im sure the lg is a great tv but when i compared the 2 this one seems like the better deal

UNGoDLyBXR 04-18-2008 11:40 PM

Tlendy ive had my tv for about 4 or 5 days when do you recommend playing cod4 and halo 3 for hours at a time.

LondonViking 04-19-2008 05:14 AM

Forgot to add WARM 2 to my settings(anything else seems too bright):

Mode - Movie
Cell Light - 3
Contrast - 79
Brightness- 44
Sharpness - 20
Colour - 50
Tint - G50 R50
Black Adjust - Off
Dynamic Contrast - Off
Gamma - 0
Color Space - Auto
White Balance- did not touch
Flesh Tone - 0
Edge Enhancement- Off

bubba77 04-19-2008 05:50 PM

I just received a PN42A450P as a replacement for a defective HP-4253. I did not see a dedicated thread to this set so thought that the 50A450P thread would be appropriate. If not please forgive me. First impressions after dealing with my defective unit is that it is a much nicer TV. Although i was bummed to learn no picture in picture on this set. This set does much better with SD Feeds than my previous unit. I have not had time to play with it that much after getting it mounted and all hooked up. I appreciate all the setting given so far and would appreciate more setting if possible. Will let you know more once I get some time to play with the set. I will be feeding it the following HTPC, Directv HDDVR, HDDVD, and PS3.

huharder 04-20-2008 02:07 AM

Tried connecting my 50A450 to the PC using a DVI cable .. I'm getting a "mode not supported" message. Has anyone else experienced this. Any tips on how I can resolve this?

Thanks.

shayking 04-20-2008 07:01 AM

Try setting your GPU to a standard resolution (with PC monitor), say 1024x768.

then youll be able to change to the Native Res after boot with DVI>HDMI 2 input.

Im using a DVI to HDMI cable via ATI gpu hooked up to "HDMI2".
(manual states DVI PC connection needs to be set on HDMI2 input)

MIAsony 04-20-2008 08:27 AM

Hey guys. I ordered this 50 sammy on friday from buydig,cant wait to get it. I currently have a 32 sammy lcd and a 30 sony 30xs955. The crt is great for sports and movies,but a little small. The sammy sucks for sports but good for regular tv shows.I cant wait to see how this 50 plasma compares to my other 2. I read here alot how some of you complain how the crt's have better overall black levels,but Ill take the bigger size and perfect geometry over perfect sony crt black levels. Ill post pics as soon as I get and setup the plasma..

blklightning 04-20-2008 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ercc View Post

Yes. It was also fixed via firmware on the 54/64 series.

how do you get the new firmware?

wait, the 450 has 3d capability? how well does this feature work?

ercc 04-21-2008 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by blklightning View Post

how do you get the new firmware?

wait, the 450 has 3d capability? how well does this feature work?

goto:

http://samsungplasmatvfaq.com/index.php/Firmware_FAQ

after reading the instructions, click on 'firmware library'

the new firmware fixes judder on most sets in the 2007 720p plasma series. DO NOT install it on the 2008 sets (ie the model that this thread deals with). It will not work, and judder is not present on these sets anyway.

I'm not sure how well the 3d thing works.

blklightning 04-21-2008 01:48 PM

this should be my last post in this thread:

so basically, i should go with whatever set that i can get the best deal on, yes?

5064 is the other one, just for reference.

bear in mind that a slight increase in pq won't be a factor. however, if it's a significant increase in color accuracy, black levels, etc. then i'd want that set.

ercc 04-21-2008 03:27 PM

I am wondering how much of a PQ increase there will be as well, but I am fairly certain that everything (black level, color accuracy etc.) will be a little bit better, as it has been every year with Samsung (especially 2006 to 2007). So I would put a price on the value of the upgrade. As long as the 50a450 is say no more than $100 extra over the 5064, definitely go for it.

I definitely noticed an improvement in black levels in best buy, although I did not do any settings adjustment so my observations may not mean much.

blklightning 04-21-2008 04:21 PM

^^yeah, i've just now come to the conclusion that my series of questions is going to lead to very subjective responses. so it looks like it'll be the 50a450 ftw just to be safe.

bjdupuis 04-22-2008 07:14 AM

Well this doesn't bode well. My set now beeps randomly when powered off. Sounds like someone rapidly and randomly pushing the buttons on the face of the TV. Anyone seen anything like this?

bjdupuis 04-23-2008 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bjdupuis View Post

Well this doesn't bode well. My set now beeps randomly when powered off. Sounds like someone rapidly and randomly pushing the buttons on the face of the TV. Anyone seen anything like this?

As an update, I exchanged the beeping set for a new one last night. That was the first the store had heard of the issue, and I haven't been able to find mention of it online. Hopefully it's a rare, weirdo problem.

jacksim 04-25-2008 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cv1981 View Post

I have had this tv for nearly two weeks, I am very happy with it except for one problem. I'm not sure if it's burn in or retention, but the bottom left HUD from COD4 is burned in. It has been there for 3 or 4 days, it looks like it is getting lighter though. I have the pixel shifting and that crap on in the settings also. The picture is decent compared to the pioneer 5080, coming from someone who had a kuro 5080 before this. I have noticed some retention on the screen, but usually goes away within a few minutes. I do have dynamic contrast set to low, it seemed like the HUD burn in came after i enabled that... I'm going to try and use one of those burn in dvd's to see if it aleviates the problem... if not I dont know what im going to do

also when using the htpc on the tv there is no overscanning at all


Ah, a 5080 owner! Thanks for the post, cv1981.

I've been thinking on getting a Pioneer 5080 for a long while now but just couldn't tackle the price point when so much of the competition was scratching much lower on it's back. And the price is still way up there (in Canada) for a good reason I suspect.

After seeing the 5080 in the flesh many times, I marvelled at the deep blacks and the lack of screen reflection that so many other brands demonstrated.

And I have yet to see very much in the way of any professional reviews (including cnet) of the Sammy A450.

So my question to you is, just how has the Sammy compared with respect to the black levels and anti-reflection qualities with the Pio 5080 -- is this set a good replacement for the 5080?

Also, how have you found the sound quality on the Sammy unit?

Appreciate your comments now that you've had a chance to compare sets.

aboutbob 04-28-2008 09:31 AM

cv1981,

I too am interested in you comparing the 450 to the 5080. The black levels on the Pio are fantastic to be sure. But, overall it seems to be a bit dull especially in moderate to bright lighting. In the BB and CC the 450 is set to torch and looks impressive. But, I’m not so sure about the black level and shadow detail. I am most interested in how the 450 is for movies with dark scenes and is it really true what we are reading here… there isn't any judder? Nowhere can I find that the 450 has 3:2 pull down or any thing related to film/movies.

So, how does the 450 compare in the home environment? I am sure that I am not alone in anticipating your evaluation/comparison of these to plasmas. Thanks!

Zarich 04-28-2008 01:09 PM

I was just about to buy this set until I got a good look at the bezel. MAN I hate the silver on the bottom. I was thinking it was similar to the 550, but the 550 bezel design is so much nicer.

jam75 04-28-2008 02:45 PM

Is the flickering in brightness resolved on the PN50A450. Had a bad problem with that on my 5064 which i returned.

ciremg01 04-30-2008 03:32 PM

Just ordered mine Sunday. I'll report when I get it, should be later this week.

jmadott 05-01-2008 11:13 AM

Before I purchase this set, i'd like to ask if any users have the pn50a450 connected to a PC?

If so.....

what resolution are you running.

I've read in the manual it supports 1360x768, leaving 3 grey bars on all edges. You get 1:1 pixel map, but have to deal w/ some pixels not being used.

I assume it will it accept higher resolutions and scale, however... how does it look?


tks for any feedback!

jmadott 05-01-2008 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jam75 View Post

Is the flickering in brightness resolved on the PN50A450. Had a bad problem with that on my 5064 which i returned.

as reported earlier - yes.

Dom2u 05-01-2008 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by aboutbob View Post

cv1981,

I too am interested in you comparing the 450 to the 5080. The black levels on the Pio are fantastic to be sure. But, overall it seems to be a bit dull especially in moderate to bright lighting. In the BB and CC the 450 is set to torch and looks impressive. But, I'm not so sure about the black level and shadow detail. I am most interested in how the 450 is for movies with dark scenes and is it really true what we are reading here there isn't any judder? Nowhere can I find that the 450 has 3:2 pull down or any thing related to film/movies.

So, how does the 450 compare in the home environment? I am sure that I am not alone in anticipating your evaluation/comparison of these to plasmas. Thanks!

I just got the 450 and found the black level very good but not spectacular - I would rate the Pioneer and the new Panasonic a LITTLE higher. The Shadow detail is awesome though. I used AVIA 2 to set the brightness to the correct level and found the rise out of black was very realistic - far better than the 54 series. I did have some geen pixels (very minor complaint) so I lowered the brightness and still couldn't see any black crush.

I would have to say this plasma handles dark scenes VERY well. For test material I use the train scene near the begining of Harry Potter 3. When you first zoom in on the train in the rain there is typically some black crush - specifically on the lower right. This TV handled that scene better any other I have owned/tested. I have never seen this scene on a Pioneer though.

I also think this set does a great job on low-end digital noise - better than any I have seen other than the Pioneers.

harbor13 05-04-2008 05:58 PM

Circuit City has this for 1,399. I just exchanged my Vizio P50 for it using the CC protection plan. It was an even trade. So far I'm loving this plasma. The quality seems so much more vibrant than my Vizio was. Blacks seem solid and HD pictures truely shine.

lowpsi 05-05-2008 07:26 PM

I've decided that this tv is the one for me. Just a couple questions i have about it. first.... how is the picture quality on regular cable? not hd or anything? and also has anyone played their ps3's on this tv? can you play it using the entire screen? or does it cut some of the edges off?

Viper98 05-05-2008 08:53 PM

I just bought the 50a450 today.... I watched cnet's review of the 50a550 and they noted the blacks weren't as deep as the best plasmas but the colors are phenomenal on it......

my question I guess would be aside from resolution is there any difference between the 450 and 550? I look at the comparison on samsung's website and it says the 450 is brighter but that's it

lowpsi 05-05-2008 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Viper98 View Post

I just bought the 50a450 today.... I watched cnet's review of the 50a550 and they noted the blacks weren't as deep as the best plasmas but the colors are phenomenal on it......

my question I guess would be aside from resolution is there any difference between the 450 and 550? I look at the comparison on samsung's website and it says the 450 is brighter but that's it

from what i understand. the picture is basically the same on both sets. but you will pay $1000 more for the 550 because it is 1080p.

Viper98 05-05-2008 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lowpsi View Post

from what i understand. the picture is basically the same on both sets. but you will pay $1000 more for the 550 because it is 1080p.


good

glad I decided to go with the 450 now even happier it was a great deal($1440 canadian)

lowpsi 05-05-2008 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Viper98 View Post

good

glad I decided to go with the 450 now even happier it was a great deal($1440 canadian)

where did you get this deal? i am from canada, and i am going to pick this tv up this week. i am paying $1660 with a Samsung home theatre system thrown in there.

Viper98 05-05-2008 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lowpsi View Post

where did you get this deal? i am from canada, and i am going to pick this tv up this week. i am paying $1660 with a Samsung home theatre system thrown in there.



best buy had it for that tonight for their customer appreciation sale.... it's still on until 10am EST

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/prodde...52&catid=23249

only problem is since the stores are closed you'd have to order online.... shipping is like $50 or somewhere around there

lowpsi 05-05-2008 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Viper98 View Post

best buy had it for that tonight for their customer appreciation sale.... it's still on until 10am EST

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/prodde...52&catid=23249

only problem is since the stores are closed you'd have to order online.... shipping is like $50 or somewhere around there

not bad. future shop has it on for $1799 with a home theatre system. but i did some price matching, and bad boy is going to give it to me for much cheaper. killer deal.

shayking 05-06-2008 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jmadott View Post

Before I purchase this set, i'd like to ask if any users have the pn50a450 connected to a PC?

If so.....

what resolution are you running.

I've read in the manual it supports 1360x768, leaving 3 grey bars on all edges. You get 1:1 pixel map, but have to deal w/ some pixels not being used.

I assume it will it accept higher resolutions and scale, however... how does it look?


tks for any feedback!

IMO This is a PC monitor, very good power features & Burn protection.

It scales great with Radeon 3000 series (i dont use nvidia)
plus it has 18bit color processing (highest out there),at least when i bought it 1st of april.

I run 1365x768 (Sat DVB) , 1920x1080p (HD/BR) , 1028x768 or 848x480(web)

Once you calibrate your GPU settings & Samsung settings for "each" resolution, you wont get a better picture from any other TV....imo

and youll have some extra cash for mounts ,cables(monoprice.com) etc.

lowpsi 05-06-2008 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by shayking View Post

I run 1365x768 (Sat DVB) , 1920x1080p (HD/BR) , 1028x768 or 848x480(web)

this tv doesnt have 1080p....

shayking 05-06-2008 09:39 AM

it scales it, which still displays more information....(good for video only).

lowpsi 05-06-2008 02:36 PM

how is the standard definition picture on this tv?

Dom2u 05-06-2008 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChevyIIMan View Post

Questions for owners, on my Sony it had a FULL mode that would strech 4:3 content to fit 16:9 perfectly. Cant seems to find a setting on this one that doesnt cut off parts of the image to fill the entire screen.

Almost all plasmas have a 16:9 mode that stretches 4:3 content horizontally to fill the screen. If you are talking about 4:3 letter box content - the zoom1 mode stretches just vertically so that the original aspect ratio is regained. I use this when watching Widescreen format on SD channels.

Dom2u 05-06-2008 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lowpsi View Post

how is the standard definition picture on this tv?

I would rate it significantly better than the Samsung 54 series. It seems to de-interlace extremly well. How it compares to other brands - I have no clue.

Laxguy023 05-06-2008 05:48 PM

Any more feedback on the "buzz" with this set compared to last years model? I had 3 Sammy's 4254's that would buzz terribly the brighter the image on the screen. Could hear it faintly from 10 feet away. How has the buzz been with the 450 series? Anyone tell a difference?

lsdlcd 05-06-2008 06:55 PM

I've played Ratchet and Clank on it. Its phenomenal !
Full screen. PS3 detects the best resolution for the set when connected via HDMI.

lsdlcd 05-06-2008 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lowpsi View Post

not bad. future shop has it on for $1799 with a home theatre system. but i did some price matching, and bad boy is going to give it to me for much cheaper. killer deal.

Got mine at Golden Electronics.....$1550 tax in, and the free Bobby Orr hand signed picture. Just a suggestion- forget the HT in a box. Wait till the new\\more receivers with HDMI 1.3a become available.

Cheers!

lowpsi 05-06-2008 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lsdlcd View Post

Got mine at Golden Electronics.....$1550 tax in, and the free Bobby Orr hand signed picture. Just a suggestion- forget the HT in a box. Wait till the new\\more receivers with HDMI 1.3a become available.

Cheers!

thanks for the suggestion. i went to future shop today and said that the HT system that was coming with the tv wasnt up to standards. so they are now throwing this HT in for me. it has dual HDMI inputs. http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...83&catid=19701

stustler68 05-06-2008 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Laxguy023 View Post

Any more feedback on the "buzz" with this set compared to last years model? I had 3 Sammy's 4254's that would buzz terribly the brighter the image on the screen. Could hear it faintly from 10 feet away. How has the buzz been with the 450 series? Anyone tell a difference?

FWIW the "buzz" is barely noticeable on my 450. I have to be right up beside it to hear anything. Overall I am very pleased with this TV. I was going to hold out for the 800 series Panny but I am glad I cheaped out and went with this.

jondeak 05-06-2008 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by UNGoDLyBXR View Post

ok if you play COD4 i recommend playing team deathmatch hardcore most of the time theres no HUD what so ever, i played 5 minutes of halo 3 and i had a IR of the radar in the lower left corner of my tv so i quickly switched it to whitewash and let it sit for about 10 minutes and it fully went away... if i had played halo for 30 minutes i dunno how easily it wouldnt came out???


I just Noticed some seriously bad IR...i did what you did and put the white screen on for about ten minutes and looks like it went away...ill keep you posted......that scared the crap out of me !! ALSO..Could someone please explain to me what IR stands for and what it means?? thanks

lowpsi 05-07-2008 04:59 AM

does this tv have the "handshaking" problem that some tvs have while connected to the ps3?

Laxguy023 05-07-2008 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jondeak View Post

I just Noticed some seriously bad IR...i did what you did and put the white screen on for about ten minutes and looks like it went away...ill keep you posted......that scared the crap out of me !! ALSO..Could someone please explain to me what IR stands for and what it means?? thanks


IR stands for Image Retention.

Laxguy023 05-07-2008 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by stustler68 View Post

FWIW the "buzz" is barely noticeable on my 450. I have to be right up beside it to hear anything. Overall I am very pleased with this TV. I was going to hold out for the 800 series Panny but I am glad I cheaped out and went with this.


How close do you have to be to the TV to till you start hearing it. I could hear the buzz faintly from like nine feet away and it drove me crazy.

Viper98 05-07-2008 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jondeak View Post

I just Noticed some seriously bad IR...i did what you did and put the white screen on for about ten minutes and looks like it went away...ill keep you posted......that scared the crap out of me !! ALSO..Could someone please explain to me what IR stands for and what it means?? thanks


IR is image retention
basically it's retaining a portion of the image that was on the screen i.e. the outline of a scoreboard.
This actually happens on both my DLP tvs too :]


i'm super happy though my 450 is in get to pick it up after work

I'll be sure to have impressions + pics tonight

Viper98 05-07-2008 09:45 AM

is the resolution of this tv 1366x768 or 1024x768?

Samsung has it listed as 1024x768 in their spec sheet but futureshop(and other retailers) said it was 1366x768

jondeak 05-07-2008 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Viper98 View Post

IR is image retention
basically it's retaining a portion of the image that was on the screen i.e. the outline of a scoreboard.
This actually happens on both my DLP tvs too :]


i'm super happy though my 450 is in get to pick it up after work

I'll be sure to have impressions + pics tonight

Is this a normal thing for this TV???I think the image retention is supposed to go away? man i hope this isnt a proplem, ive had the 550 for about 6 or 7 weeks and im well over my 30 return thing and i dont feel like having my tv taken apart by some warranty guy !!!

bradtn 05-07-2008 10:39 AM

just bought this TV today AMAZING I have my 360 hooked up via VGA anyone have optimal settings for 360? thx

stustler68 05-07-2008 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Laxguy023 View Post

How close do you have to be to the TV to till you start hearing it. I could hear the buzz faintly from like nine feet away and it drove me crazy.

I will check tonight when I get home.

shayking 05-07-2008 07:20 PM

there is no Buzzing......
My older 42 inch Akai/Samsung had a Buzz.....

Buzz = screws need to be tightened on the back of TV (thats all), the ground clip bounces/vibrates off the chassis......this is what ive found in my trials/ installs of "plasma's".

So, yah...no Buzz on new Sammy models......and if so ...Tighten the screws on the back of chassis....you can probaly pinch the chassis with your fingers to locate the issue/area.
As Ive said, these are my trials in the past 5 years or so....

Zarich 05-07-2008 08:24 PM

Is there anyone who is certain about the panel. Is this the same as the 550 minus the resolution or is it major different?

bradtn 05-07-2008 10:45 PM

i got this panel today its incredible 1080p isnt worth the money the difference u wouldnt even be able to tell from 720 and nothing is even really broadcasted in 1080 anyways and by the time and if it even will be ull prob be needed a new set anyways

wookiered 05-08-2008 10:19 AM

Im so excited. I have waited a LONNNGGGG time to upgrade. (from a 27 inch crt no less)

As soon as I get it I am going to put the suggested cnet settings in that they published for the 550.

Any advice on break in? Or can I just go ahead and start watching as many shows and movies as my wife will let me?

I don't have a game system so I don't have to worry about ir from that kind of thing...

I went thru amazon so hopefully it arrives a healthy, intact unit.

bradtn 05-08-2008 10:33 AM

ive been playing 360 exclusively on this unit seen nothing and even my SD satellite looks BETTER on this tv then my old crt tube

Viper98 05-08-2008 05:02 PM

welp... it was only a day late coming in but....






I'll be sure to take some proper pics + post my thoughts tonight this is my first plasma tv I'm so excited!



and if you're wondering what's up with my room I'm moving in about a week or so so it's a mess..... and that stand is going to be left behind I think.... this thing will be proudly mounted on this zline stand


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