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Keep or sell my 500M? I upgraded to a 65" and stored my 500M in my spare room all protected. I won't be using it again I believe. It was pro calibrated too. Mint condition. Is it worth to sell off and if so, what would be a good price? Thanks
better off keeping it, they not fetching much now, and would be a great back up for 1080p
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Keep or sell my 500M? I upgraded to a 65" and stored my 500M in my spare room all protected ... Is it worth to sell off
I suspect you'd get the highest return by selling it as parts. I know at one time there was a source of such parts on ebay. Presumably they need units to part out.

I might type 2K for 1080p.
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I suspect you'd get the highest return by selling it as parts. I know at one time there was a source of such parts on ebay. Presumably they need units to part out.
It's mint and picture is still perfect...if I do not sell I will keep it stored in my closet protected
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better off keeping it, they not fetching much now, and would be a great back up for 1080p
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I sold mine almost two years ago only because I was able to get a pretty good price of $800. Otherwise I would keep it.
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I have a KRP-500M hooked up to a Marantz NR1504 receiver. I'm trying to see if it's possible to have my 500M turn off automatically when the receiver turns off. I know the 500M has Kuro Link and the Marantz supports HDMI CEC, but I can't seem to get it to work. All the documentation I've found seems to refer to the receiver turning off when the TV does, but this is the opposite of what I'm trying to do. Does anyone know if this is possible, and likely reasons it isn't working currently?
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Is the 600m the Kuro that can be tweaked to near zero blacks? Are they susceptible to the red tint issues that plague Kuros?
No and yes. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif[/IMG]

Oh, and QLED is half-baked and still likely won't be ready in its pure emissive state in a few years.
According to d nice, there were a few 60 inch models made with the same panel technology as the 500m and 101fd which produces the deepest blacks. These 60 inch tvs were rare as they were only produced during the final months of production.
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According to d nice, there were a few 60 inch models made with the same panel technology as the 500m and 101fd which produces the deepest blacks. These 60 inch tvs were rare as they were only produced during the final months of production.
My 600M was manufactured is March 2009. Am curious if anybody has one built later than March.
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According to d nice, there were a few 60 inch models made with the same panel technology as the 500m and 101fd which produces the deepest blacks. These 60 inch tvs were rare as they were only produced during the final months of production.
My 600M was manufactured is March 2009. Am curious if anybody has one built later than March.
My 600m was manufactured in april 2009. Not sure what was the finalonth of production. I believe it goes past april. Not 100% sure..
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My 600m was manufactured in april 2009. Not sure what was the finalonth of production. I believe it goes past april. Not 100% sure..
You've got a good one. Have you done any tweeks? The other 60's don't respond as well but these last built 600M's respond nicely. Both my 600M and 65VT60 measure blacks lower than my Eye One Display Pro can go. I've had them side by side. Both Calibrated and there Images are basically Identical.

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My 600m was manufactured in april 2009. Not sure what was the finalonth of production. I believe it goes past april. Not 100% sure..
You've got a good one. Have you done any tweeks? The other 60's don't respond as well but these last built 600M's respond nicely. Both my 600M and 65VT60 measure blacks lower than my Eye One Display Pro can go. I've had them side by side. Both Calibrated and there Images are basically Identical.
Yeah. I'm still in the process of messing with settings. I did a pulse meter reset to it. Now I'm fighting the purple and green sparkles. The blacks are deep with reset pulse at 20. I just need to find some good settings for the krp 600m... I'm searching everywhere...
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You've got a good one. Have you done any tweeks? The other 60's don't respond as well but these last built 600M's respond nicely. Both my 600M and 65VT60 measure blacks lower than my Eye One Display Pro can go. I've had them side by side. Both Calibrated and there Images are basically Identical.
I've always been skeptical of the rumor regarding the 2009 builds being more tolerant to tweaks / resets, as my only experience with a 2009 60 inch build resulted in it being as finicky with adjustments / reset as a 2008 build.

Out of curiosity - with RSTP set at 1, what is the lowest SAD value that your panel can take without absolutely no magenta lag on combi mask 10?

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I've always been skeptical of the rumor regarding the 2009 builds being more tolerant to tweaks / resets, as my only experience with a 2009 60 inch build resulted in it being as finicky with adjustments / reset as a 2008 build.

Out of curiosity - with RSTP set at 1, what is the lowest SAD value that your panel can take without absolutely no magenta lag on combi mask 10?
Here is what I am running. I never did experiment with anything lower. There are no ill effects to speak off. What's combi mask 10?
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VOL RSTP 38
VOL YKNOFS1D 86
S3D 96
S4D 143

Current
VOL RSTP 1
VOL YKNOFS1D 55
S3D 65
S4D 112

Min range
VOL RSTP
VOL YKNOFS1D 54
S3D 65
S4D 111
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Here is what I am running. I never did experiment with anything lower. There are no ill effects to speak off. What's combi mask 10?
Stock
VOL RSTP 38
VOL YKNOFS1D 86
S3D 96
S4D 143

Current
VOL RSTP 1
VOL YKNOFS1D 55
S3D 65
S4D 112

Min range
VOL RSTP
VOL YKNOFS1D 54
S3D 65
S4D 111
There are several built in patterns in the Kuro service menu that can be used to properly adjust voltages. Combi mask 10 is one of those patterns, which happens to be the best one to use as a reference when adjusting voltages on a 60 inch set. You have to navigate through the service menu to access and display these patterns. Think of them as a worst case scenario when testing out voltages.

I'd be curious to know whether combi mask 10 is pristine on your set with those low S voltages.
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I found updates for some of the links provided in the 2nd post of this thread. I was looking for as much KURO documentation as I could find, and managed to obtain some valid web addresses. I was going to PM you this, but as my post count is too low I'm currently not allowed.

There are four links broken that I've found new webpages: The "Remote Codes" link, the "Basic RS232/IP commands" link, the "Integrator's Manual" link, and the service remote hex code link.

For the first three links, all you need to do is change the domain from "pioneerusa" to "pioneerelectronics".

I'm not sure why the service remote hex code link is broken. Should be https://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-p...l#post21636548. Should point to your post 27228 in the general discussion thread.

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I have the opportunity to get a Kuro 600m for around $600; Buyer still needs to report the hours. Is it worth going for?


This is to replace the LG 60PB5600 plasma
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I have the opportunity to get a Kuro 600m for around $600; Buyer still needs to report the hours. Is it worth going for?


This is to replace the LG 60PB5600 plasma
It's a fair price.
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I have the opportunity to get a Kuro 600m for around $600; Buyer still needs to report the hours. Is it worth going for?


This is to replace the LG 60PB5600 plasma
I'm not a big fan of the 60 inch Kuros due to the fact that red tinted black phenomenon cannot be removed on these sets.

I highly recommend testing out the unit in complete darkness with dark material to ensure that it doesn't suffer from red tint.

Red tint is an eyesore if you watch content in complete darkness. It's not really visible under any ambient lighting. So depending on your viewing habits and if you enjoy the Kuro more for it's natural picture over its low black level then I guess it's an OK purchase for 600.

Honestly, the value for these things has plummeted. You can easily bargain for $350.

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I'm not a big fan of the 60 inch Kuros due to the fact that red tinted black phenomenon cannot be removed on these sets.

I highly recommend testing out the unit in complete darkness with dark material to ensure that it doesn't suffer from red tint.

Red tint is an eyesore if you watch content in complete darkness. It's not really visible under any ambient lighting. So depending on your viewing habits and if you enjoy the Kuro more for it's natural picture over its low black level then I guess it's an OK purchase for 600.

Honestly, the value for these things has plummeted. You can easily bargain for $350.

I haven't seen that on my KRP-600M. It's a fantastic TV, albeit it's been demoted from my family room and replaced with an LG E6P. Heck, we still run our PDP-6070HD in the MBR just 720P and still looking really good - even though the black level is nowhere in the same class as the Kuro or OLED.



Gotta look at hours of usage, but outside of an outright defect like red-tint or burn-in; the only reason I wouldn't recommend a Kuro for someone who wants high-quality1080p viewing on the cheap would be the sheer massive weight of the panel.
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I haven't seen that on my KRP-600M. It's a fantastic TV, albeit it's been demoted from my family room and replaced with an LG E6P. Heck, we still run our PDP-6070HD in the MBR just 720P and still looking really good - even though the black level is nowhere in the same class as the Kuro or OLED.



Gotta look at hours of usage, but outside of an outright defect like red-tint or burn-in; the only reason I wouldn't recommend a Kuro for someone who wants high-quality1080p viewing on the cheap would be the sheer massive weight of the panel.
Have you watched dark content in a pitch black room recently?

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I haven't seen that on my KRP-600M. It's a fantastic TV, albeit it's been demoted from my family room and replaced with an LG E6P. Heck, we still run our PDP-6070HD in the MBR just 720P and still looking really good - even though the black level is nowhere in the same class as the Kuro or OLED.



Gotta look at hours of usage, but outside of an outright defect like red-tint or burn-in; the only reason I wouldn't recommend a Kuro for someone who wants high-quality1080p viewing on the cheap would be the sheer massive weight of the panel.
Have you watched dark content in a pitch black room recently?
My 600M is still going strong with no red tint. My 101fd developed red tint years ago but I haven’t reset it and have since given it to my father who hasn’t noticed since he rarely views content in dark.

I really do think some sets don’t suffer from red tint.
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Have you watched dark content in a pitch black room recently?

Pitch black? Literally? No. I don't have such a room. Well, I guess I do, but I'm not dragging a 60" plasma in to a windowless bathroom.


But last time I checked the TV in a dark room and that was likely around the time I was doing side by side comparisons with the OLED that was replacing it I saw no signs of red tint or any other obvious flaw.
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Pitch black? Literally? No. I don't have such a room. Well, I guess I do, but I'm not dragging a 60" plasma in to a windowless bathroom.


But last time I checked the TV in a dark room and that was likely around the time I was doing side by side comparisons with the OLED that was replacing it I saw no signs of red tint or any other obvious flaw.
Ever heard of curtains or blinds? lol. All joking aside, you should consider yourself lucky that your 60 doesn't have red tint.

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Ever heard of curtains or blinds? lol. All joking aside, you should consider yourself lucky that your 60 doesn't have red tint.

Ever hear of skylights?



And blinds are not exactly blackout curtains.


Plus a gazillion LEDs from all the gadgets around the house that I didn't bother to black tape over.


Dark room? Yes.

Pitch black? No.
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hi all, haven't been active in this thread in a very long while, but just wanted to report that while it was a great run, looks like our 600M is going to the TV graveyard soon. It's our main TV and has gotten a ton of use and was calibrated by D-Nice. Seems over the past month or two, its had problems staying on. Pressing the power button, it'll turn on for 5-10 sec and then switch off with a blue flashing light. Used to happen just when it was warm but now I can't hardly ever get it to stay on.

So will say goodbye to plasma and check out what Black Friday has to offer for a replacement. thanks all and good luck!
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hi all, haven't been active in this thread in a very long while, but just wanted to report that while it was a great run, looks like our 600M is going to the TV graveyard soon. It's our main TV and has gotten a ton of use and was calibrated by D-Nice. Seems over the past month or two, its had problems staying on. Pressing the power button, it'll turn on for 5-10 sec and then switch off with a blue flashing light. Used to happen just when it was warm but now I can't hardly ever get it to stay on.

So will say goodbye to plasma and check out what Black Friday has to offer for a replacement. thanks all and good luck!
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Because you will be in a very very hard spot to upgrade or replace from a KRP..
I dunno about that. I spent eight years watching my 151FD. Got rid of it only because I got tired of the electric bill. Bought a Sony A1E, haven’t looked back. Except, motion isn’t as good on golf specifically. I see no issues in other sports.
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I dunno about that. I spent eight years watching my 151FD. Got rid of it only because I got tired of the electric bill. Bought a Sony A1E, haven’t looked back. Except, motion isn’t as good on golf specifically. I see no issues in other sports.
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