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post #11971 of 11987 Old 06-16-2019, 08:53 PM
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... Now you're telling me it will be an astronomical jump in PQ? Vader--say it ain't so!

OK, maybe "astronomical" is a little strong. One of the reasons I was so hesitant to let the V10 go was the picture quality; I was watching a movie called "Unstoppable" the other night on the V10, and was amazed at the PQ... and that was "only" a blu-ray...


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... Aside from depth of color and the true black levels favoring the C8, to my eyes, the V10 still has great color and images appear to be better defined (sharper, although I haven't adjusted sharpness.) Nothing like true plasma and excellent OLED.

I could not agree more. The contrast is what finally got me, but as for the colors, I just finished watching "Ready Player One" on UHD with Dolby Vision, so while the V10 had (has) great PQ, it's not really a fair fight... Long live my V10 in it's new home; it really is still a force to be reckoned with...!
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I think I know the answer but can the PMCv2 be taking off of one TV and used on another TV or is it a one time deal with the original TV it was installed on?
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After years of beautiful usage, I've replaced my fully functional v58 with a Samsung QLED. If anyone would like to buy it off of me, first reasonable offer gets it. Obviously, pick up only. I live in Vegas.

Set is fully functional with the remote and PCMv1 from Audiodane installed. Minor wear and tear, a few faint screen scratches (barely noticeable) due to the friggin' cats. Stand included but I can't seem to find the screws.

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I think I know the answer but can the PMCv2 be taking off of one TV and used on another TV or is it a one time deal with the original TV it was installed on?
Yes.. You can plug it to the tv via the small opening on the back, perform the reset.. Remove the device, close the opening and the job is done. And then of course you can use it on other tvs.. You can reset multiple compatible Plasma TVs with that device.. no limit..
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Yes.. You can plug it to the tv via the small opening on the back, perform the reset.. Remove the device, close the opening and the job is done. And then of course you can use it on other tvs.. You can reset multiple compatible Plasma TVs with that device.. no limit..
Awesome! I vaguely remember that you couldn't but this is good news.
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Got another patient.. Ready for reset..

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Red face PMCv2

I would buy one of these.
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Before/After Reset/Plasma turned off

Black level did not go as far down as I hoped.. 0,038 nits.. But much better then the stock 1,1
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It performs great..
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Very interesting..
The G10 also had cooling fans for that reason..



I didn't think the G10's had cooling fans, my 54" US version doesn't. Maybe the Euro versions or different sizes do. Anyway, thanks for the interesting posts, good stuff.
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Before/After Reset/Plasma turned off

Black level did not go as far down as I hoped.. 0,038 nits.. But much better then the stock 1,1
Can see the difference. My results on my 54" V10 were similar to your results.
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Anyone interested in this device should participate at that poll..

It seems as the producer is working on a new 2019 production of quantities..

2019 PMCv2 Build Update

https://audiodane.dandk.org/2019-pmcv2-build-update/
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Anyone interested in this device should participate at that poll..



It seems as the producer is working on a new 2019 production of quantities..



2019 PMCv2 Build Update



https://audiodane.dandk.org/2019-pmcv2-build-update/
This is worthy of its own stickied thread IMO.
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I could not resist.. Got another Plasma TV..

It is a TX-P42GN13.. never heard of this model.. Turnes out there have been sold some specialized trade models (german: Fachhandelsmodell) I was not aware of.

This is basically a G10 in a G15 design.. It also uses the G10 Firmware.. Much nicer looking than the S1 and also 2009 Neo PDP Panel, and I can see it.. light output is really nice, it has a better black filter.. Love it..

Black level reset will be happening at night..
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Very interesting results..

I resetet 2 10 Series Plasmas this week and there are some interesting results..

The S1 had 11.000 run hours and a black level of 1,1 nits..
The G10 (13) had over 20.000 run hours and a black level of 0,085 nits

So there is some difference in Panel performance 2008 Panel vs 2009 Neo PDP Panel

Interestingly visually the black level the G10 looked worse then the S1 because of a different bezel. More about that in the next comment..

After the reset:

The S1 went to 0,038 nits and the G10 to 0,035 nits.. Almost the same..

I find this very interesting, that they start on the same level, but there is some difference after the 2 voltage increases..

Also it proves that even a 20k Panel can be resetet.. There are zero problems..

Again, a big improvement..
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Visually the G13 seems to have a bit lighter black level then the S1.. Why is that, when they measure the exact same..

The reason is the bezel.. The G13 has around the screen a black frame.. even blacker then the bezel.. And to the eye this makes the black level in comparison appear lighter then it is..

I hope you can see it on the pictures.. It is fascinating how such a small detail has (some) impact on perceived contrast.. especially at low ambient light..

To be clear: Nothing to worry about, both are great..
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For that reason I got myself a silver bezel S1..

Black level looks superb on such a display.. But here is the problem.. In the end it is a bit distracting and the visual impact is different.. It makes appear the picture brighter then it is..

With a black frame it is softer to watch, more cinematic.. IMO

Here is an example of how content changes visually with a black and a light frame.. So a silver or bright bezel is not an option..

I wish they have had made the bezel dark grey or almost black, but not blacker then the black filter appears in ambient light ..
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