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post #391 of 10106 Old 03-20-2012, 02:13 PM
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I had last years Panny ST30 and when I moved my eyes left or right, I noticed the green flashes, trails. I don't notice it on Samsung plasmas, when I see them at the stores. But, I ended up getting a Samsung LED as I didn't want to take a chance with plasmas again. Even though plasma has excellent picture quality.

I have the same issue. Whenever I move my eyes slightly on a Panasonic I see the trails, but on a Samsung I don't. Overall, I see much less phosphor trailing on a Samsung than a Panasonic. I hope with this years model the effect will be diminished. I wouldn't mind getting a Samsung, but its image retention issues and reliability bother me.
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I took delivery of my 55" ST50 yesterday and so far am very impressed. The color and black levels are outstanding even without calibration. It seems like a big improvement over the 50" GT30 I test drove in September of last year, AND so far I see no indication of uniformity issues, save one. About 2 inches in from the right side of the panel there appears to be a slightly lighter vertical band about an inch wide that runs from top to bottom. It's faint and only noticeable on D-Nice's dark gray slides. Not sure about it yet but I'll live with the display for a couple of weeks before I decide if I want to swap it out. Note that this is not visible when viewing normal content and also note that I see none of the green and magenta splotching that caused me to return three GT30s last year. BIG relief.

I'd say that the ST50 is an outstanding PDP and Panasonic clearly learned some lessons from last year's designs. I'm a very happy camper. I'll see about posting some pics later tonight or tomorrow.

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About 2 inches in from the right side of the panel there appears to be a slightly lighter vertical band about an inch wide that runs from top to bottom. It's faint and only noticeable on D-Nice's dark gray slides. Not sure about it yet but I'll live with the display for a couple of weeks before I decide if I want to swap it out. Note that this is not visible when viewing normal content and also note that I see none of the green and magenta splotching that caused me to return three GT30s last year. BIG relief.

I dont speak from experience but having read every page of the ST30 thread it seems that vertical band you see is more than just common and is in fact in every single Panny plasma. I have no idea why but there were pages about this and everyone agreed that while it was there you could never see it during normal use
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I dont speak from experience but having read every page of the ST30 thread it seems that vertical band you see is more than just common and is in fact in every single Panny plasma. I have no idea why but there were pages about this and everyone agreed that while it was there you could never see it during normal use

I've read those threads. Lots of speculation that it has something to do with the metal frame behind the panel. At any rate, it's very faint.

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im moving the tv tomorrow right now its in a temporary spot with lots of light but ill post day photos to prove with the brightness and the filter the old rules of a dark room dont matter

and last from the couch, ignore the camera flash i forgot about that and you can see some reflections but

again this is set up in a bonus room, i have an 8 foot bay window facing east to the right of the tv, 2 sky lights, a door in the back right of the room and the back of the room is open to the kitchen. at night its obviously better but its really good during the day too. Ill throw in some pictures in a day or two when i put the tv in the basement
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judging from that pic, that skintone looks very good. Well done girl, Panasonic and Ceiph

I want my next TV to have "smell the glove"-blacklevel. I got me an st50 and I think I can smell some leather in a not too far away distance somewhere.
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Guys, lets keep the non MSRP price stuff in the deals threads.

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ceiph- Is Buzz looking for the center channel speaker?
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how is it possible hdtvtest (european) meassures the st50 0026fl ?
and here in america is meassured between 0047 flt - 0049 ftl ?

i asked david about this and replied:

You would have to ask Panasonic USA why the model over there seems to be of lesser performance. It also lacks some of the calibration controls that we have, and does not support 96hz output of 24hz material, indicating that the panel driving is not the same.

There have been some stranger cases in the past, don't forget that last year's 50VT30 had poorer black level thank the 50VT20.

For black level measurement, we don't use Calman, instead we use Klein's own program, which allows for black level calibration of the meter and more convenient averaging of low light readings, for more accurate results


is that so guys? is there a different driving panel between the european and american versions? i could ask panasonic about this but wanted to hear from you :P

d-nice? chad? or anyone else ?
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I'm going to have to check this TV out in the stores even though I'm planning on getting the VT50. Just curious to see how this looks since I've read nothing but praise about it. Sounds like 2012 will be a great year for Panasonic plasma owners.
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Ceiph, what size is that?

Oh and thank you for the awesome pics.

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Just a guess on the Euro vs US thing, but I would guess that the power/energy restrictions may be more strict in that market which in plasma tech translates to less performance.
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Great pics, Ceiph. I had already decided to purchase an ST50 and those pics just reinforce my decision.
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the center channel i know isn't ideal, tomorrow the tv will goto a different room and it'll be better positioned when positioned right the sierra 1's sound amazing

anyways the tv is a 55

and yes the tv is very nice i played around with my disney wow disk a little bit and got the picture nice but i cant wait till a calibration based on the impressions from chad, dnice and others.
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Hey guys I already have a vt30 55 inch and I'm thinking of selling my vt for a st50 60 inch. The reason being for the extra size, brightness and reduced crosstalk. Just looking to see what you guys think of this move. I know I'm loosing thx 1 hdmi, and maybe a better looking set but I don't care about that.
And I will add that I usually buy a tv every year or so, but after this move I'll wait till the oled tech comes down in price.
Thanks

Anybody please.....some one wants to buy my vt and I'm still on the unsure thx.
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adamd do you use thx mode? i found getting the ST50 to look nice not hard at all, Dnice also has a break in and settings that you can use that im sure looks better than THX which i never thought looked that great, crosstalk i notice more on content like a bad camera angle on espn 3d is still bad

ok this is perhaps a dumb idea seeing its an iphone camera but
obviously the picture isnt that grainy just the phone camera isnt that good, i just tried to get you guys a dark picture.. anyways you have to see it for yourself
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the center channel i know isn't ideal, tomorrow the tv will goto a different room and it'll be better positioned when positioned right the sierra 1's sound amazing

anyways the tv is a 55

and yes the tv is very nice i played around with my disney wow disk a little bit and got the picture nice but i cant wait till a calibration based on the impressions from chad, dnice and others.

It looks so huge.

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This could be another example of viewing environment affecting the issue as well. It would make sense that its harder to see in stores as they generally have bright lighting which could mask the issue.

Also keep in mind that during normal viewing people arent moving their heads left to right. As I was saying in my previous post I could see DLP rainbows very easily but with the faster colour wheels it was something I could easily not notice during normal viewing (moving my head caused the effect as well) and it was easy to look past.

Actually I move my eyes, not my head and that's when I see it.
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I have the same issue. Whenever I move my eyes slightly on a Panasonic I see the trails, but on a Samsung I don't. Overall, I see much less phosphor trailing on a Samsung than a Panasonic. I hope with this years model the effect will be diminished. I wouldn't mind getting a Samsung, but its image retention issues and reliability bother me.

I hope it will diminish also. I haven't seen the new Pannys yet.
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adamd do you use thx mode? i found getting the ST50 to look nice not hard at all, Dnice also has a break in and settings that you can use that im sure looks better than THX which i never thought looked that great, crosstalk i notice more on content like a bad camera angle on espn 3d is still bad

ok this is perhaps a dumb idea seeing its an iphone camera but
obviously the picture isnt that grainy just the phone camera isnt that good, i just tried to get you guys a dark picture.. anyways you have to see it for yourself

Thank for the reply, I never use the THX mode it looks to warm to my eyes and dark. My only compliant with my vt is I wish it was bigger and brighter in 3d mode mostly. So you notice lots of crosstalk with your st? Have you tried any movies yet in 3d?
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ive only noticed crosstalk on a bad espn 3d angle but it was the crowd, it was odd, ive watched parts of transformer, lion king, and pirates in 3d, also checked out unchartered 3, in all of those instances i don't notice crosstalk. I work selling these tvs and on the 2011s i see it more on the gt30, samsungs and passives i cant stand for cross talk so I can be picky about it.
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how is it possible hdtvtest (european) meassures the st50 0026fl ?
and here in america is meassured between 0047 flt - 0049 ftl ?

it may have to do with the tested model. hdtvtest tested die 42" while us test used the 50+ models i think.
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I'm 30 hours in on the slides for my ST50 and I now see one stuck pixel that I did not notice at the beginning.
Is there any chance of this correcting itself over time?
I doubt I will hardly ever be able to see this in real content and being about 10 feet away, but it's impossible to say that for sure at the moment.
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Actually I move my eyes, not my head and that's when I see it.

Well yeah. I just mean when you are truly engrossed in what you are watching your eyes arent generally darting around the screen (unless its too big for your seating distance).

I do know what you mean though. If I was watching TV and noticed rainbows it was hard to stop after that as you start subconciously looking for them
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I'm 30 hours in on the slides for my ST50 and I now see one stuck pixel that I did not notice at the beginning.
Is there any chance of this correcting itself over time?
I doubt I will hardly ever be able to see this in real content and being about 10 feet away, but it's impossible to say that for sure at the moment.

Yeah, I've got one stuck in the bottom right corner of my ST30 that showed up around ~30-40hrs of break-in. It is still there (even after trying to run the pixel flipper on the Disney WOW disc for many many hours), but it is not noticable from my viewing distance; however, since we're all anal-retentive avsers on here, you, like I, will walk up to the screen once a week and just stare at that pixel for at least 30 seconds and pout...I decided to ultimately keep my set since I've been so satisfied with all the service I've gotten from Amazon over the years that I couldn't ask them for an exchange over one pixel. All the best,
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Just a guess on the Euro vs US thing, but I would guess that the power/energy restrictions may be more strict in that market which in plasma tech translates to less performance.

I'm not sure who's stricter (you could be right that EU power limitations are stricter), but the performance of the European model is better, not worse.

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I'm not sure who's stricter (you could be right that EU power limitations are stricter), but the performance of the European model is better, not worse.

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thanks david for your great review
you will test the 50ST50 ? the 50 inch will have better black than the 42ST50 ?
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Well yeah. I just mean when you are truly engrossed in what you are watching your eyes arent generally darting around the screen (unless its too big for your seating distance).

I do know what you mean though. If I was watching TV and noticed rainbows it was hard to stop after that as you start subconciously looking for them

Funny that you should say that because until you did I'd forgotten that my eyes use to noticably dart around when I first got my 52" LCD. My brain was trying to adjust those things that weren't in focus, like the background outdoors, instead of viewing the image as intended. It was like my brain thought I was looking out a window and kept trying to focus. It doesn't happen anymore.

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David, have you seen a NA ST50? I'm wondering what impact the 2500hz ffd vs 2000hz can/will produce.

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thanks david for your great review
you will test the 50ST50 ? the 50 inch will have better black than the 42ST50 ?
thanks david

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I'd actually love to test the 65ST50 - because I want one!
In the past the Panasonic displays haven't had any consistent differences in black level between the screen sizes. I'd be surprised the larger ST50s were any *better* than the 42".

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