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Hi all... I saw a 50ST60 for sale around $350. Do you think it's worth it to purchase? Has anyone noticed an issue with rising blacks? I used to have a 58V10 and that thing's blacks went to hell after a few years before it died.
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Hi all... I saw a 50ST60 for sale around $350. Do you think it's worth it to purchase? Has anyone noticed an issue with rising blacks? I used to have a 58V10 and that thing's blacks went to hell after a few years before it died.
I's not over priced. No rising blacks.
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/article...&id=1360577145

It's picture quality is very close to the VT60's
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I would say it depends on the condition of the screen. If it has burn in or something then obviously not worth it.

Still, these sets are from 5 years ago, are no longer practically repairable, and eat a lot of power. Factoring in power use, decreasing likelihood of set surviving over the next five years, and dropping price of newer equipment, I've passed the point where I would try to replace mine with a used ST60 if mine were to fail.

Best wishes for whatever you decide.
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I would say it depends on the condition of the screen. If it has burn in or something then obviously not worth it.

Still, these sets are from 5 years ago, are no longer practically repairable, and eat a lot of power. Factoring in power use, decreasing likelihood of set surviving over the next five years, and dropping price of newer equipment, I've passed the point where I would try to replace mine with a used ST60 if mine were to fail.

Best wishes for whatever you decide.
I appreciate your honesty, and your final paragraph really hit home with me. I can tell I'm still trying to hang onto my love for plasmas when it's probably time to let that go. Cheers man, appreciate it!
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Hi all... I saw a 50ST60 for sale around $350. Do you think it's worth it to purchase? Has anyone noticed an issue with rising blacks? I used to have a 58V10 and that thing's blacks went to hell after a few years before it died.
ST60 is worth it... but only if you're gonna watch stream programs on netflix and hulu and amazon prime etc.

I do not recommend gaming and watching any channels with fixed logos with the final generation 60-series Viera Plasmas because these sets are highly susceptible to heavy image retention and burn in.

I have a 50" ST60 and a 55 VT60 in my stable.
I'd say ST60 series is brighter than the VT60. black level is almost the same (if not negligible).
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ST60 is worth it... but only if you're gonna watch stream programs on netflix and hulu and amazon prime etc.

I do not recommend gaming and watching any channels with fixed logos with the final generation 60-series Viera Plasmas because these sets are highly susceptible to heavy image retention and burn in.

I have a 50" ST60 and a 55 VT60 in my stable.
I'd say ST60 series is brighter than the VT60. black level is almost the same (if not negligible).
For now it would be for sports and Netflix until the price of OLEDs come down (I'm reading that should happen in the fall). After that it would likely become our second television that would go in our guest room.
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Hi all... I saw a 50ST60 for sale around $350. Do you think it's worth it to purchase?

Yes, if the hours aren't too high (less than 10K), there is no image retention or 'burn in', and the set is in good physical shape.
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Yes, if the hours aren't too high (less than 10K), there is no image retention or 'burn in', and the set is in good physical shape.
Maybe $200? Running a 65st60 that has always displayed image retention as well as some permanent burn (logo).
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I'm in Arlington,TX (DFW metroplex). I have a non-functional TC-P50ST60, which I would like to give away.
It was fried during an electrical storm in March of 2017. If you'd like to pick up, please send me a PM.
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Looking for information on reflections.
Anyone who went from ST to OLED.
Got use to the ST reflections and was wondering if OLED is better or worse.
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Looking for information on reflections.
Anyone who went from ST to OLED. Got use to the ST reflections and was wondering if OLED is better or worse.

Probably depends on what kind of content you are watching, and if you're watching it during the daytime or at nighttime.



I've tried to get a feel for screen reflectivity on OLED TVs (and various LCD TVs) in the bright Best Buy showroom and also in the dark Magnolia section.



The 55" OLED screens seem to overall be a little more reflective than my 55ST60. On dark content (like movies), the screen seems to be more mirror-like during dark scenes if watching during the daytime, or with lights turned on (kinda like a black mirror).



But the other side of the coin is since the OLED image is brighter, it seems less reflective during bright content like sports etc when watching during the daytime.



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Anyone who went from ST to OLED.
Got use to the ST reflections and was wondering if OLED is better or worse.
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Keep your ST60, in my opinion the OLED is slight better then the ST60. Not a night and day difference with picture quality. The ST has a more natural look over the OLED. The black levels are already good on the ST, the only upgrade with the OLED is a faster processor and OS, and the brightness. Brightness is relative, I don't care for torch mode. A calibrated ST60 can compete with an LG c8 or sony OLED in terms of picture quality. If you have perfectly working ST, why spend the money for an OLED. The OLED C8 is more reflective then the ST.

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Anyone who went from ST to OLED.
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I think you should go make a judgement by yourself at BB or other stores and read this forum. The new OLEDs are much superior. Take a look at LG E8, Sony A8F and then you can decide. Electronics advance in a short few months and ST is 6 or more years old!
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I think you should go make a judgement by yourself at BB or other stores and read this forum. The new OLEDs are much superior. Take a look at LG E8, Sony A8F and then you can decide. Electronics advance in a short few months and ST is 6 or more years old!
Have looked and read plenty. Just looking for someone that maybe brought it home and had an opinion.
My ST suffers from IR and some maybe permanent IR. Can't seem to wash away some logos.
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My ST suffers from IR and some maybe permanent IR. Can't seem to wash away some logos.
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Don't forget a plasma uses lots more electricity than an OLED. About double.
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Have looked and read plenty. Just looking for someone that maybe brought it home and had an opinion.

My ST suffers from IR and some maybe permanent IR. Can't seem to wash away some logos.

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I was in the same boat as you with my 60ST60. Our morning news station preference has a bright red and white logo...which burned my 58” Samsung and then the Panny. I had the protection through BB that covered IR, so they gave me a $1300 Store Credit and told me to do what I wanted with the Panny. It’s on the wall in my wife’s office! Hah! Oh, and since we no longer use that for morning news, the logo is barely noticeable and fading.

Anyway, I used that $1300 towards a 65B6. The image is superior by far, but motion suffers. The newer ones should be getting better with motion processing, but it’ll be a couple of years before I replace this one.


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Serious question: How many feel there is a current OLED like the LG C8 or an LED like the Quantum that has better picture quality than this set. I’ve got a 60 still going strong that was broken in with slides from this forum. But I just bought a Denon X4400H receiver for Atmos capabilities and am wondering about getting a 4K set. I currently receive broadcast signals OTA but I do supplement with Yahoo TV and am wondering if I’m not going to get much out of the receiver without a 4k set. I like to watch a lot of sports too and don’t want something that handles motion worse. My 60 is in my basement and any replacements would go there. I’ve seen there are slides that can be used on the OLED sets too but I am not sure what to think about all the IR and burn in discussions with there seemingly users adamant on both sides. What does longetivity on those sets look like compared to this set. Thanks in advance
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Greetings! Apologies if this has been answered previously. I want to hook up a Yamaha YAS-108 soundbar to my ST60 and use only the DirecTV remote. I have my DirecTV hdmi in input 1. If I set the soundbar to "hdmi", turn the Viera link "on", set my ST60 speakers to "home theater", and hook up the soundbar to input 2 (ARC) with the other end going into the soundbar's ARC input will the soundbar turn on and off when the ST60 is turned on/off with the DirecTV remote? When I control the volume with the DirecTV remote (which currently controls the ST60's volume) the soundbar's volume will respond, correct? Anything else which needs to be done?

Thank-you for your time and knowledge in assisting me!
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quick question I am hopeful that people can answer here. So I am a plasma junkie and until I can justify the price of an OLED it is where I will stay for now. That being said I just bought a 60ST50 that I had planned on putting in my living room to replace my 50GT25 that will go into the bedroom and I also have a 65ST60 in my movie room. The ST50 has been professionally calibrated and it looks really nice while the GT25 and ST60 have been calibrated using Dnice's settings which also look really good.

What I am trying to find out is if the ST50 and ST60 are the comparable panels or if the ST60 is a superior panel (I thought I remembered seeing that the ST60 used VT50 panel which I would think would make it superior to the ST50). The reason I ask is because my ST60 has some minor burn in from the previous owner which for the most part is a non factor except for cases where you go to a solid colored so I was thinking of using the ST50 in the movie and moving the ST60 to the living room but would opt to keep the ST60 in the movie room if the panel is that much superior to the ST50.

Any insight any one pass along would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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quick question I am hopeful that people can answer here. So I am a plasma junkie and until I can justify the price of an OLED it is where I will stay for now. That being said I just bought a 60ST50 that I had planned on putting in my living room to replace my 50GT25 that will go into the bedroom and I also have a 65ST60 in my movie room. The ST50 has been professionally calibrated and it looks really nice while the GT25 and ST60 have been calibrated using Dnice's settings which also look really good.

What I am trying to find out is if the ST50 and ST60 are the comparable panels or if the ST60 is a superior panel (I thought I remembered seeing that the ST60 used VT50 panel which I would think would make it superior to the ST50). The reason I ask is because my ST60 has some minor burn in from the previous owner which for the most part is a non factor except for cases where you go to a solid colored so I was thinking of using the ST50 in the movie and moving the ST60 to the living room but would opt to keep the ST60 in the movie room if the panel is that much superior to the ST50.

Any insight any one pass along would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

The difference is the black level.. ST60 is so good, it is better then a VT50.. Besides that, they should look almost identically.. (What is your opinion? Do you see any differences?) There are reports here on AVS Forum about the 50 series having a soft picture (not as sharp).. I cannot comment this because I have never seen a 50 panel, but I post it hear because maybe that is something to look for and I have read about it. Besides that, the calibrated Plasma would be the nr1 choice for movies.


So, yes the ST60 is superior, especially if you watch in a dark room (black level).

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The difference is the black level.. ST60 is so good, it is better then a VT50.. Besides that, they should look almost identically.. (What is your opinion? Do you see any differences?) There are reports here on AVS Forum about the 50 series having a soft picture (not as sharp).. I cannot comment this because I have never seen a 50 panel, but I post it hear because maybe that is something to look for and I have read about it. Besides that, the calibrated Plasma would be the nr1 choice for movies.


So, yes the ST60 is superior, especially if you watch in a dark room (black level).
Thank you for the response and since you mentioned it in the minimal time I have had the ST50 (I just got it on Friday and have only had about 5-6 hours of playing Forza Horizon 4 on it) the picture did seem a bit softer but I wasn't sure if that had to do with the calibration or not. When I picked it up the previous owner had it hooked up to calibration software and put a meter on the screen to show that the set was calibrated so I thought maybe it was that.

I plan on watching a couple movies in the next few days while I wait for the new wall mount to come in for the living room (my mount for my 50" did not have a wide enough plate to hold the 60" or 65") so before I mount the living room TV I will test both and make a decision.
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....I just bought a 60ST50 that I had planned on putting in my living room to replace my 50GT25 that will go into the bedroom and I also have a 65ST60 in my movie room. The ST50 has been professionally calibrated and it looks really nice while the GT25 and ST60 have been calibrated using Dnice's settings which also look really good.

What I am trying to find out is if the ST50 and ST60 are the comparable panels or if the ST60 is a superior panel (I thought I remembered seeing that the ST60 used VT50 panel which I would think would make it superior to the ST50).

The ST60 did not use the VT50 panel, that was a false rumor someone had started but it was refuted right away by the Panasonic guy that actually designed the TV.

Every model year of Panasonic Plasma used a different generation of panel, they got better every year in most repects.

That said, the 60 series panel is superior to the 50 series in every category. The biggest improvement i saw (as did many others) is the 60 series is definitely sharper and crisper than the 50 series. Many people in various threads were complaining about the 50 series softness so it's not just me.




Here's one of my posts about the softness of the 50 series:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-p...l#post24365708


My 50GT50 is currently in the "wife's" den, and i'm using the THX Bright Room picture mode. It looks good, but my 55ST60 is much crisper. Wifey actually prefers the softer image over my 55ST60 so there's that.




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my ST60 has some minor burn in from the previous owner which for the most part is a non factor except for cases where you go to a solid colored so I was thinking of using the ST50 in the movie and moving the ST60 to the living room but would opt to keep the ST60 in the movie room if the panel is that much superior to the ST50.
I have successfully washed away IR on my various Plasmas using the two methods below. Others have tried it and also had success.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-p...l#post56878040






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The ST60 did not use the VT50 panel, that was a false rumor someone had started but it was refuted right away by the Panasonic guy that actually designed the TV.

Every model year of Panasonic Plasma used a different generation of panel, they got better every year in most repects.

That said, the 60 series panel is superior to the 50 series in every category. The biggest improvement i saw (as did many others) is the 60 series is definitely sharper and crisper than the 50 series. Many people in various threads were complaining about the 50 series softness so it's not just me.




Here's one of my posts about the softness of the 50 series:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-p...l#post24365708


My 50GT50 is currently in the "wife's" den, and i'm using the THX Bright Room picture mode. It looks good, but my 55ST60 is much crisper. Wifey actually prefers the softer image over my 55ST60 so there's that.




I have successfully washed away IR on my various Plasmas using the two methods below. Others have tried it and also had success.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-p...l#post56878040






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Thank you for the response Randy and the clarification on the panels. I also appreciate the recommendation for the burn in but to be honest I am not sure if I will ever get rid of it. I have had the 65ST60 for almost 2 years now and through all the movies watching, gaming and running the Disney pixel flipper I have not been able to get rid of it. It seems it might have gotten slightly better but it is still noticeable when watching movies like say Everest, Revenant or even the Planet Earth type material where there is a lot of white (or any other color) on the screen at once. On the flip side, movies that are more on the darker side excel greatly on ST60 and look beautiful.

Would you think High Def Wallpaper images would do any better than the Disney WOW pixel flipper?? I guess trying wouldn't hurt but not sure if I will ever rid the issue completely at this point.

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Has anybody brought their plasma back from a power surge? Returned from 3 months abroad to find mine (50 in ST60) fried. Tried several basic things I found online (holding down the power button, etc), but zero response. There's a TV repair place in town, but just wondered if it wasn't worth the hassle. Had hoped to hold onto it as my workout room TV and grab a new OLED on Black Friday anyway, so not critical, but it would be worth it to me if $200-$300 will get it back up and running.
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Has anybody brought their plasma back from a power surge? Returned from 3 months abroad to find mine (50 in ST60) fried. Tried several basic things I found online (holding down the power button, etc), but zero response. There's a TV repair place in town, but just wondered if it wasn't worth the hassle. Had hoped to hold onto it as my workout room TV and grab a new OLED on Black Friday anyway, so not critical, but it would be worth it to me if $200-$300 will get it back up and running.
Have you talked to the TV repair place?I'm not sure the problem(could be the power board).I have an ST60 that I love.If something happened to it I would check my local place(if I couldn't find an obvious solution)and get it fixed if it was reasonable.
I too am looking at OLED's,but I'm trying to hold out until LG gets their new plant up and running.
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Has anybody brought their plasma back from a power surge? Returned from 3 months abroad to find mine (50 in ST60) fried. Tried several basic things I found online (holding down the power button, etc), but zero response. There's a TV repair place in town, but just wondered if it wasn't worth the hassle. Had hoped to hold onto it as my workout room TV and grab a new OLED on Black Friday anyway, so not critical, but it would be worth it to me if $200-$300 will get it back up and running.
I brought my ST60 back from a power surge. The surge ruined my HDMI ports - it was the main board. I found it on ebay for $105 and replaced it myself. Yours sounds more like the power board - you could buy a board and if it doesn't fix it, just resell the board.
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Hi guys,


I'm getting ready to paint my media room, which is in a basement with a few small windows near the top ceiling around the room. The ceiling is currently an antiquey off-white (uggh) and the walls are a sort of light beigeish yellow.



For the wall where the 60" ST60 is, should I paint that flat white, or would a gray tone be better? My gut says "white, because that will make the blacks on the TV look blacker, when the lights are on at least" but I figured I'd check with my panel of experts here...


For the rest of the walls in the room, I'm thinking a light gray with a bluish tint.

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Best Stock Picture Setting?

I recently inherited a 60st60 and I don't think I'm going to have it professionally calibrated.

What do you guys think is the best stock (out of the box) picture setting?

I have been using "Cinema" as of late, but after comparing it to "Home Theater", it seems to have a slight greenish hue, yet "Home Theater" seems to have a slightly reddish hue.

I think I'll stick with "Cinema" for now, but now I'm conscious of the green push every time I turn on the tv!

Would it still be worth having it professionally calibrated? I think the tv has around 20,000 hours on it.
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Maybe don't pay to have it calibrated but use some of the settings found on the forum. I've been more than happy with them.
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I recently inherited a 60st60 and I don't think I'm going to have it professionally calibrated.

What do you guys think is the best stock (out of the box) picture setting?

I have been using "Cinema" as of late, but after comparing it to "Home Theater", it seems to have a slight greenish hue, yet "Home Theater" seems to have a slightly reddish hue.

I think I'll stick with "Cinema" for now, but now I'm conscious of the green push every time I turn on the tv!

Would it still be worth having it professionally calibrated? I think the tv has around 20,000 hours on it.
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Start with closest auto setting then tweak it until it looks about right.

While renovating my basement my plasma was out of commission for a few days; had to use my LG 40" LED in another room, that is mostly just used for Netflix once in a while. OMG it was so bright and harsh watching movies and stuff ripped from bluray. Nearly went blind. Had to pause the show and start messing with settings to get it to the point where it didn't piss me off so much. Was glad to go back to my Panny after painting...
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