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I am a news junkie also. On hours at a time, often in the background as I work from home. Never have had a burn-in problem w. this or an even older Panny. The main "problem" with a plasma is that they burn a lot of electricity.
So what was your secret to keep the CNN logo or the MSNBC logo (the worst, BRIGHT WHITE) from burning in? I found image retention after only two hours. Did you have the brightness and contrast turned way down? I kept mine pretty bright, as the sun shines in that room.

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About 60 bucks a year. Lcd about half that.
5 hours day - 30/mo. 392 watt draw = 2+ KW/day 60KW/mo times avg. PGE electric rate of 17 cents/kw = $10+/mo. or $120/year!!! No. Calif pays high rates.
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Hi Guys,

Happy ST60 owner here since 2013. One question - how's everyone doing on settings this many years later? Back when I first set it up, the go-to setting was "Cinema" with a few tweaks down the each of the menus. I don't remember where I got the original settings.

These days I find the that Cinema is really dark with the blacks - the Battle of Winterfell ep was unwatchable.

On "Home Theater" however, it seemed a lot better.

I don't think my colors have changed a lot throughout and the TV has been extremely solid.

Anyone willing to share or point me in the direction of Settings you're using these days?

*I keep thinking I might replace this ST60 with an OLED or and LCD/LED but I keep liking this picture a lot better...
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Anyone willing to share or point me in the direction of Settings you're using these days?

--Picture menu
Picture mode: Cinema
Contrast: 81
Brightness: 0
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Color temp: Warm 2
Vivid Color: Off
C.A.T.S.: Off
Video NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Motion Smoother: Off

-- Pro settings submenu
Panel brightness: Low
AGC: 0
Black extension: 0
Color Gamut: Normal

W/B detail adjustment menu:
W/B high R: 6
W/B high G: -1
W/B high B: 1
W/B low R: 1
W/B low G: -1
W/B low B: 0

More detail adjustment menu:[listed as Red, Green and Blue gain, respectively]
100 IRE: -4, 0, 3
90 IRE: -1, 1, 2
80 IRE: 0, 0, 0
70 IRE: 0, 0, 0
60 IRE: 0, 0, 0
50 IRE: 0, 0, 0
40 IRE: -3, -4, -1
30 IRE: 0, 0, 0
20 IRE: 3, -4, 0
10 IRE: -10, -10, 10

Color detail adjustment menu:
Red hue: -8
Red Saturation: 4
Red luminance: -3
Green hue: 3
Green Saturation: 12
Green luminance: 10
Blue hue: 10
Blue Saturation: 10
Blue luminance: -10

Gamma detail adjustment menu:
Gamma: 2.2

More detail adjustment menu:
100 IRE: 0
90 IRE: 2
80 IRE: 0
70 IRE: 0
60 IRE: 0
50 IRE: -6
40 IRE: -10
30 IRE: -20
20 IRE: -20
10 IRE: -10

--Advanced picture submenu
Game mode: Off
24p Direct in: 60Hz
3:2 pulldown: Auto [often grayed out depending on source]
1080p pixel direct: Off [often grayed out depending on source]
HDMI content type: [all Off]
HDMI/DVI RGB range: [all Standard (16-235)]
Black level: Light

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Hi Guys,

Happy ST60 owner here since 2013. One question - how's everyone doing on settings this many years later? Back when I first set it up, the go-to setting was "Cinema" with a few tweaks down the each of the menus. I don't remember where I got the original settings.

These days I find the that Cinema is really dark with the blacks - the Battle of Winterfell ep was unwatchable.

On "Home Theater" however, it seemed a lot better.

I don't think my colors have changed a lot throughout and the TV has been extremely solid.

Anyone willing to share or point me in the direction of Settings you're using these days?

*I keep thinking I might replace this ST60 with an OLED or and LCD/LED but I keep liking this picture a lot better...
My starting point was D-Nice's settings from a thread on high d e f junkies, a forum that may have gone away. Over time, I tweaked a couple of the parameters very slightly, but i can't recall which. This was done to the "Custom" settings.

But, it seems they are here too: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-p...es-thread.html

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5 hours day - 30/mo. 392 watt draw = 2+ KW/day 60KW/mo times avg. PGE electric rate of 17 cents/kw = $10+/mo. or $120/year!!! No. Calif pays high rates.
My 65" Vizio draws 200 Watts according to the specs, but only ~100W measured on a UPS

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Wow! That's a bargain. Here in San Diego we pay 36+ cents per KWH once we get by a tiny base line. I still like my plasma. My heating bill is close to zero this time of year because I don't turn on any heaters and instead rely on waste heat from appliances, TVs and the like. I have a second smaller LCD TV for daytime viewing and only fire up the 65 in plasma for evening (fewer bright banners) viewing.


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5 hours day - 30/mo. 392 watt draw = 2+ KW/day 60KW/mo times avg. PGE electric rate of 17 cents/kw = $10+/mo. or $120/year!!! No. Calif pays high rates.

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Do you run the image retention scrolling bar? I have 4 Pannny Plasmas from 768P to the G series, never had any burn in. That is OLED's issue now as far as I can see. This plagued early plasmas but they fixed it, at least on my end. My 2002 CRT rear projection had burn in as I had to replace the blue gun.
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I tried the image retention scrolling bar several years ago as well as running slides. I recall only marginal results and considered it a waste of time. If I look closely when there is a light solid screen in the lower right where logos usually appear I can see some retention. It is not noticeable with normal viewing and you have to know what you are looking for. I think it is image retention and not burn in. I am careful to not display CNN or MSNBC or other serious offenders for extended periods of time. Image retention and power consumption are the primary reasons I have a smaller LCD adjacent to the plasma for daytime viewing.


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Do you run the image retention scrolling bar? I have 4 Pannny Plasmas from 768P to the G series, never had any burn in. That is OLED's issue now as far as I can see. This plagued early plasmas but they fixed it, at least on my end. My 2002 CRT rear projection had burn in as I had to replace the blue gun.

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I tried the image retention scrolling bar several years ago as well as running slides. I recall only marginal results and considered it a waste of time. If I look closely when there is a light solid screen in the lower right where logos usually appear I can see some retention. It is not noticeable with normal viewing and you have to know what you are looking for. I think it is image retention and not burn in. I am careful to not display CNN or MSNBC or other serious offenders for extended periods of time. Image retention and power consumption are the primary reasons I have a smaller LCD adjacent to the plasma for daytime viewing.
Humm, the scrolling bar seemed to rid image retention on my end, but I never ran slides, I may have screen burn if I look for it that way, I wouldn't know, I'm not going to look for it that intensely.
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Here's my methods that have worked to remove IR (HD wallpaper images and/or pixel jogger):

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-p...l#post56408846

This has worked for myself, and others who've tried it reported it worked for them as well. Worth a shot.


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Agreed. If I have to look for it I am not going to worry about it. There are probably a lot of other imperfections that I could find if I look for them. Mostly I just am in awe about how beautiful the picture is.


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Humm, the scrolling bar seemed to rid image retention on my end, but I never ran slides, I may have screen burn if I look for it that way, I wouldn't know, I'm not going to look for it that intensely.

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I tried the image retention scrolling bar several years ago as well as running slides. I recall only marginal results and considered it a waste of time. If I look closely when there is a light solid screen in the lower right where logos usually appear I can see some retention. It is not noticeable with normal viewing and you have to know what you are looking for. I think it is image retention and not burn in. I am careful to not display CNN or MSNBC or other serious offenders for extended periods of time. Image retention and power consumption are the primary reasons I have a smaller LCD adjacent to the plasma for daytime viewing.
Just watch the TV without any static images. If it's IR it will eventually go away. If it's burn-in it's hopeless no matter what you do.
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Hi guys picked one these bad boys up for a great price. I was curious if anyone had thiers professionally calibrated and how they like it? And if you know of one in the Savannah GA area?
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Hi guys picked one these bad boys up for a great price. I was curious if anyone had thiers professionally calibrated and how they like it? And if you know of one in the Savannah GA area?
It is a somewhat older model but still very good. I believe it was a model below the Panny ZT 65" plasma which had the best blacks of any display on the market at the time. I have had that model and my current display both professionally calibrated. I do believe it is well worth the time and price....however, I would not ask the Best Buy Geek Squad to do it for a number of reasons I won't go into. Find a good certified calibrator who either works independently ,as many do, or one who works out of a high end shop and will not be watching the clock.

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You cant copy any detailed white balance or color calibration settings to tvs..

I do calibrate Panasonic Plasmas now for 2 years and never touched the 10 point white balance because it does more harm than good.. With most Panasonic Plasmas basic 2 point white balance works perfect, but with the newer ones Panasonic introduced tons of tricks where you better dont mess around.. There is a reason why Panasonic designed the tvs that way.. There are color shifts and gamma shifts happening..

Color wise.. all Panasonic Plasmas are not perfect.. But they are close.. The biggest problem too me with the Panasonics is the color red.. With many Plasmas red tends to be more orange.. And that can be adjusted with color hue.. Color hue is basically changing red into orange or purple.. So when you see flat reds, colors dont popt often red is too orange.. I can only talk about personal experience, but red is the most distracting color if its not right..

And then comes Gamma..

Panasonic implimented an extreme crazy gamma with panel brightes low on ST, VT and ZT 60..

Huge dark details brightness push, and hush darkening of bright parts.. It is an optical trick that makes a picture look brighter than it its.. To an extend this works quite well, all LG Plasmas have this gamma curve, but Panasonics went all over bord..

Just try these settings and let me now.. This will give you are more or less true gamma 2.2. if you chose gamm 2.4

With gamma 2.2 you get a gamma 2.0, if you like it more, keep it


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90 IRE: 0
80 IRE: 5
70 IRE: 0
60 IRE: 5
50 IRE: 5
40 IRE: 0
30 IRE: -10
20 IRE: -15
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I believe it was a model below the Panny ZT 65" plasma which had the best blacks of any display on the market at the time.
Two below the ZT.

ZT>VT>ST.
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Nope, the ZT blew everything out of the water at the time. While I sold mine, it still is a fantastic display.

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What's everyone using for gamma? This set is really tricky. The whites are really blown out on these sets. Seems difficult to tame them without killing shadow detail.
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