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post #13351 of 15061 Old 02-05-2015, 03:34 PM
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wife bought a Sony Bluray player with built in Netflix

any 5.1 content played via Sony direct via Coaxial to my AV amp only comes up as 2 channel PCM

Hmmm, that's sorta strange. I'm sure you've checked but...confirm the audio selection in the Netflix app on the BD player is set to Dolby Digital, not 2-channel/stereo. Or that the player is somehow set to downmix or output PCM only. If that only happens on Netflix then I'd think it was the setting in the app.

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Panasonic TVs don't pass through multi channel audio from external devices, only internal apps and OTA. External devices get dumbed down to 2 channel PCM. Certain TV manufacturers do allow this capability, most don't. I have a VT60, and mine does not, which is kind of a bummer, but not the end of the world.

This article might shed some light on the subject for you: http://www.cnet.com/news/20-tvs-test...o-a-sound-bar/

Well, there it is pretty much black and white, which also parallels your comment and the observations I'm made recently.


Like you say sorta a bummer, since it would lend some convenience in certain situations, but not end of the world.

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Maybe it won't, but I'd like to know for sure.


Considering it's all HDMI connection that should ensure all the proper handshake & HDCP stuff, it sure seems like a bogus situation not to be able to pass at least DD.

It does not. It's capable to send highdef signal only when the internal tuner is used or apps like Netflix. External devices will be down sampled, like in most other sets.

I was so happy without HDR...
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Perfect timing guys lol.

I recently bought a Vizio 42" 5.1 sound bar with the 6" amp and two speakers. I know this isnt true 5.1 but my question is that the bar is suppose to light up the DTS or DD icon when a surround sound output is detected. I have an Optical cable going from my Soundbar to the ZT60 and a HDMI going from HDMI input 1 from the ZT60 to my Kinivo HDMI switch and all my AV stuff (xbox one, ps4, apple tv, Xfinity) going to the Kinivo.

Was a very simple set up because I could keep the soundbar set to Optical and just use the Kinivo to switch what component I wanted to watch without having to cycle through the inputs for the soundbar. BUT the DTS and DD icons never come up. I took the optical from the zt and hooked it too the Xbox One for direct optical output from Xbone1 to Soundbar. Set the Xbone1 to HDMI>Bitstream out and Optical>Bitstream out. From research since i dont have a true 5.1 or7.1 set up this was what i found for best setttings for sound. Now i get the DTS and DD icons on the soundbar LED indicator. BTW if your looking for a great step up in sound the Vizio is no joke. Only soundbar I would buy since I cant do a full set up and for those that cant. highly recommend. Had the 2.1 38" version but this one is better (2.1 is no slouch though, might work best with HDTVs that only do 2 channel for those who only use TV speakers and no amps or receivers.)

Why is this? Because the ZT60 doesnt allow Surround? only 2 channel?

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My zt60 might be gone soon due to panel separation and buzzing, working on getting it fixed by Panny (which i would prefer a Manufacturer Certified Refurb fix to my TV) or a refund. No clue what i would buy though.
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As I said, it is not only the ZT or any other Panasonic model that doesn't output HD audio. None of the recent TV sets does, last one I remember that did it was the Sony Qualia 70" , 13K MSRP, in 2005.

I was so happy without HDR...
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I've heard only the apps in the TV give out DD 5.1 like optical out into avr. You can't pass through the from anything outside of the TV due to some kind of patent or rights (legal junk)something like that.
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I've heard only the apps in the TV give out DD 5.1 like optical out into avr. You can't pass through the from anything outside of the TV due to some kind of patent or rights (legal junk)something like that.

At the risk of repeating myself, it's probably something like that, but IMO it's BS reason since the whole point of HDMI seems to be protection from copy and the in/out path with ARC is HDMI all the way.

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Perfect timing guys lol.

I recently bought a Vizio 42" 5.1 sound bar with the 6" amp and two speakers. I know this isnt true 5.1 but my question is that the bar is suppose to light up the DTS or DD icon when a surround sound output is detected. I have an Optical cable going from my Soundbar to the ZT60 and a HDMI going from HDMI input 1 from the ZT60 to my Kinivo HDMI switch and all my AV stuff (xbox one, ps4, apple tv, Xfinity) going to the Kinivo.

Was a very simple set up because I could keep the soundbar set to Optical and just use the Kinivo to switch what component I wanted to watch without having to cycle through the inputs for the soundbar. BUT the DTS and DD icons never come up. I took the optical from the zt and hooked it too the Xbox One for direct optical output from Xbone1 to Soundbar. Set the Xbone1 to HDMI>Bitstream out and Optical>Bitstream out. From research since i dont have a true 5.1 or7.1 set up this was what i found for best setttings for sound. Now i get the DTS and DD icons on the soundbar LED indicator. BTW if your looking for a great step up in sound the Vizio is no joke. Only soundbar I would buy since I cant do a full set up and for those that cant. highly recommend. Had the 2.1 38" version but this one is better (2.1 is no slouch though, might work best with HDTVs that only do 2 channel for those who only use TV speakers and no amps or receivers.)

Why is this? Because the ZT60 doesnt allow Surround? only 2 channel?

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My zt60 might be gone soon due to panel separation and buzzing, working on getting it fixed by Panny (which i would prefer a Manufacturer Certified Refurb fix to my TV) or a refund. No clue what i would buy though.

I just purchased the 54 inch version with HDMI In/ Out and it's great.
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Hi all,

I have recently noticed in my ZT60 a tendency to develop IR. TV channel bugs are particularly persistent. This is relatively new, as this TV hasn't had noticeable IR when watching normal programming until recently.

The most odd part of it all seems to be the fact that the TV is especially susceptible just when the TV is turned on after being off for several hours (overnight for example). To be specific, I noticed that when I brought the channel guide up just after turning on the TV for a minute or two (no longer), the image of the guide was easily visible for the next 15-20 minutes while watching regular programming. It did go away but I am somewhat concerned as to the change in behavior of the TV. I am wondering if anyone else has noticed this phenomena with their ZT60? Is the change in behavior regarding IR a sign that something could be going wrong with the TV?

I will be interested to gather the thoughts of the crew here about this! Thanks.

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It's been noted by a number of owners that the TV's susceptibility to IR seems to increase as it ages, at least to a point. The point at which it begins to increased and decrease (if at all) is unknown. I would guess it goes up around the 1,000 hour mark and may go back down at around the 2,000 hour mark. These numbers are guesses (and not even educated guess at that) so take it with a grain of salt. The only way to know for sure is through a controlled experiment wherein variables and biases can be removed and I'm afraid that isn't possible, so all we have to go on is a small sample size containing very disparate patterns of usage.

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It's been noted by a number of owners that the TV's susceptibility to IR seems to increase as it ages, at least to a point. The point at which it begins to increased and decrease (if at all) is unknown. I would guess it goes up around the 1,000 hour mark and may go back down at around the 2,000 hour mark. These numbers are guesses (and not even educated guess at that) so take it with a grain of salt. The only way to know for sure is through a controlled experiment wherein variables and biases can be removed and I'm afraid that isn't possible, so all we have to go on is a small sample size containing very disparate patterns of usage.
Interesting, I am around 1700 hours use now. So it seems I am following a trend others have seen. If this susceptibilty goes away after more use that would be nice. I just hope it doesnt get worse

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I noticed an increase in IR after mine passed the 2000 hour mark. Mine is due to a channel logo from watching too much of the Today and nightly news. I'm currently at 3006 hours mark. We'll see how it goes. Certainly not bad enough to dump the TV.
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Hi. Last night while looking at my ZT from side i saw something odd, there's some light coming through the left top corner of the tv, it can be seen between the front glass and the bezel itself.
The same corner seems to have the glass just a bit far away from the bezel than all the other corners. Is this normal?
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There were a handful of units that had what I think was being called a screen separation issue where the glass was separating from the bezel. it's uncommon but a known defect.
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There were a handful of units that had what I think was being called a screen separation issue where the glass was separating from the bezel. it's uncommon but a known defect.
Thanks for your info on this. Can it be fixed?
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I don't recall anyone mentioning a fix. Those whose units suffered from it either returned the unit or, is separation wasn't too bad, just lived with it.
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Thanks for your info on this. Can it be fixed?
The fix is to not look at the tv from the side.
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Hi. Last night while looking at my ZT from side i saw something odd, there's some light coming through the left top corner of the tv, it can be seen between the front glass and the bezel itself.
The same corner seems to have the glass just a bit far away from the bezel than all the other corners. Is this normal?
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X-Raver, can I ask what your build date is? I thought this defect was very very rare. Seems odd to me. Do you have any pictures of the corner that is separated?

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I don't recall anyone mentioning a fix. Those whose units suffered from it either returned the unit or, is separation wasn't too bad, just lived with it.
I would'nt say it's too bad... but it's something you wouldn't expect on a 5K TV ... i'll report it to Panasonic and see what they can do.
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X-Raver, can I ask what your build date is? I thought this defect was very very rare. Seems odd to me. Do you have any pictures of the corner that is separated?

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Hi, sorry for the late answer. I can't tell the build date, but i can give you the SN and the Seq number, i have a European model, have no idea on how to check the manufacturing date

Model: TX-P60ZT60E
SN: FZ-4120001
Sequential No.: E05135

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What does Panasonic in this type of situation?! They exchange the TV/panel or say "It's within spec..." ?
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They can't very well say it's in spec and I don't believe it could be repaired. I would guess this is a exchange or refund situation. Given that they stopped manufacturing this unit a long time ago I think your option may be to get a refund or just live with it. Sorry.
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X-Raver^^^

I don't know what happened with your panel when it was bonded in the Autoclave process.

I would ask these questions first:

Is there any picture distortion when viewing regular content?
Has it become worse since you first noticed it?
Is it still under warranty, doesn't the ZT panels in Europe have a longer warranty term than North America?

I would suggest that you email your pictures to Panasonic and ask if it will separate any further. For example, will changing room temperature cause further separation.

If not and you don't notice it during regular viewing content maybe you could live with it because hopefully you will not notice it.
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They can't very well say it's in spec and I don't believe it could be repaired. I would guess this is a exchange or refund situation. Given that they stopped manufacturing this unit a long time ago I think your option may be to get a refund or just live with it. Sorry.
Well, i've sent some pics to Panasonic and a brief description of the problem. Will have to wait for their answer
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X-Raver^^^

I don't know what happened with your panel when it was bonded in the Autoclave process.

I would ask these questions first:

Is there any picture distortion when viewing regular content?
Has it become worse since you first noticed it?
Is it still under warranty, doesn't the ZT panels in Europe have a longer warranty term than North America?

I would suggest that you email your pictures to Panasonic and ask if it will separate any further. For example, will changing room temperature cause further separation.

If not and you don't notice it during regular viewing content maybe you could live with it because hopefully you will not notice it.
My model has 2 Year warranty, the set is about 8 months old, it's still under warranty.

Aswering your questions:
- There's no change in picture on that side of the panel
- I've noticed it 2 days ago, don't know if it has been like this for more time, it looks the same from Saturday to today

I've reported the problem to Panasonic, have to wait and see what they say/can do ...
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There were a handful of units that had what I think was being called a screen separation issue where the glass was separating from the bezel. it's uncommon but a known defect.

Oh no! It must not be that uncommon. I just checked my 65 and it's very similar to Raven's screen
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Oh no! It must not be that uncommon. I just checked my 65 and it's very similar to Raven's screen
I'm sorry to hear that but two people experiencing the same defect doesn't mean it's not uncommon. I've been on this thread from the beginning and as I recall there have been maybe 4 or 5 people who have reported the issue. Given the number of people who have posted here, the likelihood that people on AVS would be more likely to notice the defect & that you're more likely to see people complain that praise, I'd say that statistically it's a fairly uncommon defect.

That said, it's still not acceptable for any TV, much less a flagship model, to exhibit this sort of manufacturing defect.
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I don't know if there is any relationship with the screen separation issue and to those who have been continually taking off the back panel to fix the fan fix noise issue... but you never know...

That's why I have aligned myself with other owners of the ZT60 here on AVS that its not worth taking the risk removing the back cover. You don't know what can wrong when you remove the back panel. It could add stress to the special bonding in place for the one sheet of glass and slowly detach itself. Better safe than sorry.

As for me...factory seal intact...and proud of it.
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I'm sorry to hear that but two people experiencing the same defect doesn't mean it's not uncommon. I've been on this thread from the beginning and as I recall there have been maybe 4 or 5 people who have reported the issue. Given the number of people who have posted here, the likelihood that people on AVS would be more likely to notice the defect & that you're more likely to see people complain that praise, I'd say that statistically it's a fairly uncommon defect.

That said, it's still not acceptable for any TV, much less a flagship model, to exhibit this sort of manufacturing defect.
Agree, I also remember a small of early panel separation issues - hopefully Panasonic will resolve this issue - These are ZT's!

According to our records +/- 16,837 ZT's were manufactured for North America - see post 12025 for complete listing Official ZT60 Owners Thread. Based on that these 5 panels would represent 0.0002969% of all panels produced.
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I don't know if there is any relationship with the screen separation issue and to those who have been continually taking off the back panel to fix the fan fix noise issue... but you never know...

That's why I have aligned myself with other owners of the ZT60 here on AVS that its not worth taking the risk removing the back cover. You don't know what can wrong when you remove the back panel. It could add stress to the special bonding in place for the one sheet of glass and slowly detach itself. Better safe than sorry.

As for me...factory seal intact...and proud of it.
Taking the back cover off and reinstalling it correctly is very easy to do. Assuming you aren't over-torquing the screws when replacing the back cover this really should have no bearing on the separation of the screen. It's possible that a twisted frame (in shipping) could cause the glass to pop. It's also possible the defect is in the glass itself (i.e. it isn't flat to begin with). You may be right, but we don't have any data to indicate glass separation is related to the removal of the back panel.

For the record, I had the fan fix installed and I don't have screen separation.
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My model has 2 Year warranty, the set is about 8 months old, it's still under warranty.

Aswering your questions:
- There's no change in picture on that side of the panel
- I've noticed it 2 days ago, don't know if it has been like this for more time, it looks the same from Saturday to today

I've reported the problem to Panasonic, have to wait and see what they say/can do ...
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Under EU law your contract is with the company you purchased from and you must notify them of the fault within 2 months of noticing it to be able to make a warranty claim from them. Manufactures will often honour the EU warranty directly though although they are not under obligation to.
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