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post #15001 of 15032 Old 11-04-2019, 10:56 AM
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With only 2000 hours, my 65ZT60 is barely broken in and is a flawless panel.
I am curious as to how many hours were on panels that required servicing... replacement boards etc.
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^^^ Nice! Good question. I'm also interested in knowing.


I would also like to know the build dates for panels that needed servicing.


If there are issues with my electronics I usually look for a pattern of failures and try to identify a common denominator of failures. Not that I look for problems but I want to research solutions to try to extend the life of my electronic purchases since I don't upgrade constantly...I try to get long use of my purchases and for many years.

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With only 2000 hours, my 65ZT60 is barely broken in and is a flawless panel.
I am curious as to how many hours were on panels that required servicing... replacement boards etc.
Any TV component can fail at any time, whether it's 5 days old or 5 years old. I don't think there's any correlation between hours used and panel failure or board failure.

The panel itself cannot be serviced - if the panel or it's on-board electronics fail then the whole panel had to be replaced. And the last three years or so that Panasonic made Plasma TVs, it became cheaper to just replace the whole TV under warranty than to warehouse spare panels, pay the high shipping cost to ship it to the service center, hope it doesn't get broken during the trip, then pay a service center to replace said bad panel under warranty. Panasonic (and Samsung) started to just ship a whole new TV to the consumer once deemed defective.

But there is one thing Panasonic Plasma owners can do to reduce their chances of having a board fail - take an hour and remove the rear cover and snug down all the board screws. They tend to come loose over time and that often leads to board failure.

I've posted about it in the GT50 Buzzing Poll thread and provided detailed tips on doing this preventative maintenance. The whole thread is only 2 pages long so it's worth a read. I posted my repair saga starting at post #39 . . .

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Since I use a wall mount, I have added a computer fan to pull cooler air in behind the panel when in use. An old cell phone charger is all that is needed to power it.
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Any TV component can fail at any time, whether it's 5 days old or 5 years old. I don't think there's any correlation between hours used and panel failure or board failure.

But there is one thing Panasonic Plasma owners can do to reduce their chances of having a board fail - take an hour and remove the rear cover and snug down all the board screws. They tend to come loose over time and that often leads to board failure.

I've posted about it in the GT50 Buzzing Poll thread and provided detailed tips on doing this preventative maintenance. The whole thread is only 2 pages long so it's worth a read. I posted my repair saga starting at post #39 . . .

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-p...l#post57967794 ____________________________________
Can't disagree with taking the rear cover off and and snugging down the board screws. But not on a ZT. The risk is high for causing micro fractures to the panel when reinstalling the rear cover. You better know what you're doing if you take the the rear cover off a ZT.
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^^^ Agree! IMO removing the rear cover off on a Panasonic ZT60 is not worth the risk.

That's why I have never removed mine for the fan noise fix.

How many perfectly good ZT60 panels were accidently micro-fractured taking the enjoyment out of an otherwise perfect panel.

The fan noise level was never an issue for me and I passed my last hearing exam with no hearing problems.

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I did finally plug my ZT60 into my new UPSes, the subwoofer too. Not sure if my hearing is going or not (everything else seems to be), but hardly heard any buzzing at all (in my brief test of content that used to cause it to buzz). Probably will do some more testing as relevant content makes itself known.

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I got an Apple TV a few weeks back, and because I have an older Yamaha 5.1 Receiver with no HDMI, I plugged it in to my ZT60. Great picture, but the sound is limited to the TV speakers, as I have the lone audio output going to my wireless headphones. This past weekend I got an optical splitter and ran an optical cable to my receiver. It doesn't look like this TV is passing 5.1 digital from the HDMI connections to the optical port. I'm getting 5.1 through antenna, but that's it, just stereo from HDMI. Is there a way to fix this? Checked the menu and eHelp, but couldn't find any info.
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I got an Apple TV a few weeks back, and because I have an older Yamaha 5.1 Receiver with no HDMI, I plugged it in to my ZT60. Great picture, but the sound is limited to the TV speakers, as I have the lone audio output going to my wireless headphones. This past weekend I got an optical splitter and ran an optical cable to my receiver. It doesn't look like this TV is passing 5.1 digital from the HDMI connections to the optical port. I'm getting 5.1 through antenna, but that's it, just stereo from HDMI. Is there a way to fix this? Checked the menu and eHelp, but couldn't find any info.
Ya probably not going to happen. Your asking the TV to accept 5.1 thru HDMI and then pass thru optical. It can do it thru ARC but not thru optical. New receiver time.
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I got an Apple TV a few weeks back, and because I have an older Yamaha 5.1 Receiver with no HDMI, I plugged it in to my ZT60. Great picture, but the sound is limited to the TV speakers, as I have the lone audio output going to my wireless headphones. This past weekend I got an optical splitter and ran an optical cable to my receiver. It doesn't look like this TV is passing 5.1 digital from the HDMI connections to the optical port. I'm getting 5.1 through antenna, but that's it, just stereo from HDMI. Is there a way to fix this? Checked the menu and eHelp, but couldn't find any info.

These will only output 5.1 using internal tv apps and the tuner, sorry. Optical and ARC will act the same.
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I did finally plug my ZT60 into my new UPSes, the subwoofer too. Not sure if my hearing is going or not (everything else seems to be), but hardly heard any buzzing at all (in my brief test of content that used to cause it to buzz). Probably will do some more testing as relevant content makes itself known.

Thanks for the info, So what UPS model did you plug the TV into? Keep us posted with any updates.
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Thanks for the info, So what UPS model did you plug the TV into? Keep us posted with any updates.
Since about '07 I was using 1500VA APC Smart-UPSes. These are the ones that buzzed along with the ZT60 when it decided to buzz (usually with heavy white or bright content). (I stopped hooking up the plasma to the UPS once I realized that that was what was happening. (And the subwoofer too at some point; it had two repairs done to its board early on.))

I also had a slightly newer one of them for my old Mac Pro tower that I got in '08, thing about it is that the fan was always on, unlike the slightly older two. After the tower was replaced with a quiet computer earlier this year, and after the UPS battery died yet again (and the indicator lights on the UPS became unpredictable), I decided it was time to move on and went with a CyberPower Smart App Sinewave UPS (model PR1500LCDN)... It normally runs silent (fan off unless it's doing its thing), and is a lot quieter when the power is removed.

I liked it well enough (I can actually log into it to see what's going on with it and change settings from my Mac) that the other two APCs for the home theater got replaced shortly thereafter. Time will tell how well they hold up (got one bad one along the way) in the real world, since thunderstorm season is over, and things tend to be a lot tamer in the off season, but they seem to be working fine.

No update on buzzing, I just haven't heard any lately, nor have I tried anything else yet to instigate it otherwise.

And I think my back has finally recovered from moving them (both the old and the new) about a dozen times or so, though my elbow hasn't been quite the same since. (Old/bad ones are in the basement now, just in case. The bad ones will be recycled one of these days; the good ones plugged in every once in a while, might come in handy some day.)
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Ya probably not going to happen. Your asking the TV to accept 5.1 thru HDMI and then pass thru optical. It can do it thru ARC but not thru optical. New receiver time.
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These will only output 5.1 using internal tv apps and the tuner, sorry. Optical and ARC will act the same.
Thanks for the info. Looks like a good excuse to get a new receiver.
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Any TV component can fail at any time, whether it's 5 days old or 5 years old. I don't think there's any correlation between hours used and panel failure or board failure.

The panel itself cannot be serviced - if the panel or it's on-board electronics fail then the whole panel had to be replaced. And the last three years or so that Panasonic made Plasma TVs, it became cheaper to just replace the whole TV under warranty than to warehouse spare panels, pay the high shipping cost to ship it to the service center, hope it doesn't get broken during the trip, then pay a service center to replace said bad panel under warranty. Panasonic (and Samsung) started to just ship a whole new TV to the consumer once deemed defective.

But there is one thing Panasonic Plasma owners can do to reduce their chances of having a board fail - take an hour and remove the rear cover and snug down all the board screws. They tend to come loose over time and that often leads to board failure.

I've posted about it in the GT50 Buzzing Poll thread and provided detailed tips on doing this preventative maintenance. The whole thread is only 2 pages long so it's worth a read. I posted my repair saga starting at post #39 . . .

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I have a ZT-60 manufactured April 2013. Would you know if the issues with loose screws was solved when Panasonic added lock washers in models made after 2012?

I have seen a post that mentioned the problematic models were made in 2010-2011.

I'm not experiencing any buzzing (yet) and would certainly do the suggested fix if necessary. Just don't want to remove the back of a 60" TV if I don't have to.

I do want to keep this thing running as long as I can, for sure. Only issue I have is occasionally the set just powers-off for no reason.
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I have a ZT-60 manufactured April 2013. Would you know if the issues with loose screws was solved when Panasonic added lock washers in models made after 2012?

I have seen a post that mentioned the problematic models were made in 2010-2011.

I'm not experiencing any buzzing (yet) and would certainly do the suggested fix if necessary. Just don't want to remove the back of a 60" TV if I don't have to.

I do want to keep this thing running as long as I can, for sure. Only issue I have is occasionally the set just powers-off for no reason.
No loose screw issues on a 2013 that I've ever heard. The ZT60 and VT60 have been very reliable. I wouldn't go to the trouble. Check your settings on the power off issue. If you got some kind of eco setting enabled.

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My ZT60 was manufactured in July 2013, and I never hear any buzzing. The internal fan noise can't be heard during normal viewing, so I never found it necessary to remove the back panel.


In the settings, there is an option to shut off the set after a period of inactivity. If you haven't done it already, you might want to see how you have your inactivity timer set up.
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My ZT60 is the longest lasting big screen tv I've had (and first/last plasma).

(Although I did need to replace a board in it that was bad pretty much from the start, just took a while to figure out the actual problem and the fix for it, thanks to some posters here.)

And now that I've finally updated to different UPSes for the home theater, I'm toying with the idea of plugging the plasma into one of them again. I had it that way early on with the old UPSes, but one of my speculated causes of the board failure was the UPS itself messing things up a little with the electricity it provided to the plasma (it buzzed right along with the plasma buzz), so ever since I've just had it plugged into a surge protector power strip instead (along with my subwoofer, for similar UPS-trust reasons).
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I've owned 5 Panasonic plasma TV through the years. Currently have a 54" V10 and my 60" ZT. Never had a Panasonic plasma TV die on me. Great TVs.
Greatly enjoying my 10 (eleven?) year-old Panasonic V-10. 50”. My only regret is not getting the 55” that year ! No signs of any problems...no burn in. The only thing I occasionally see (if I go looking for it) is temporary “image retention.” I see an occasional info box ticker at the bottom or even a logo on rarity. Also have a Panny GT-50. Even better ! It is brighter, so it might more occasionally show some temporary “image retention.” Oddly, it shows (for just brief period of maybe 10 minutes) faint LINES of the DirecTV menu horizontal lines.
With OLED’s reported problems, I only wish we could have had 4K plasma.
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So im picking up a p65zt60 soon as a replacement to my LG 75SK8070. My question is will this still be the great revelation of a tv I want it to be or will it be to outdated?


I'll be loosing screen size, 4k, HDR and probably a vastly better user interface for Netflix and other apps. My big issue with the LG is that the black levels are just straight awful. Its great for playing games but I watch vastly more movies than I play games and it really bad haloing' the back light is so bad its a joke it even says it has local dimming.

Im also wondering how well its going to work out with all my UHD movies. Im playing them on a Xbox one X but, I know it will down convert. Will it handle the HDR to SDR in a reasonable fashion or will I be better off playing the blu ray disk for movies?
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So im picking up a p65zt60 soon as a replacement to my LG 75SK8070. My question is will this still be the great revelation of a tv I want it to be or will it be to outdated?


I'll be loosing screen size, 4k, HDR and probably a vastly better user interface for Netflix and other apps. My big issue with the LG is that the black levels are just straight awful. Its great for playing games but I watch vastly more movies than I play games and it really bad haloing' the back light is so bad its a joke it even says it has local dimming.

Im also wondering how well its going to work out with all my UHD movies. Im playing them on a Xbox one X but, I know it will down convert. Will it handle the HDR to SDR in a reasonable fashion or will I be better off playing the blu ray disk for movies?
Is this your first Plasma TV? Take your time at the seller and test it.. I would bring the Xbox One X with you, a well known HDR movie..
Trust your eyes..

Blackl level is great and there is no such thing as Haloing or local dimming things going on ;-)

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Is this your first Plasma TV? Take your time at the seller and test it.. I would bring the Xbox One X with you, a well known HDR movie..
Trust your eyes..

Blackl level is great and there is no such thing as Haloing or local dimming things going on ;-)
Not my first plasma. I've owned a Kuro, and a Samsung before. I just moved on past plasma when 4k came out. I love all sorts of tvs for all sorts of different qualitys they bring but im kind of a snob on quality in fit and finish as well as PQ. Ive still got a ton of Sony tubes just because I like that contrast so much to include their fw900.

My biggest concern is truly transportation. I have to drive this plasma from NY to NC. I was able to get it for only $400 but im worried about transportation damage. Granted at 400 dollars its a wash if it breaks. I'd say bringing my xbox would be a huge pain as im flying there then renting a car and driving it back.

I've transported plasmas laying flat before and it takes a great deal of effort but I cant find any reasonable way to stand this thing up so I plan to completely wrap the tv in bubble wrap multiple times over, line the back of the car with pillows and then use bungy cords to stop any movement from happening. Though I question if the bungy cords are putting to much stress on the panel.
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Ok, you are a pro.. ;-)

This will be quite a stunt..
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Ok, you are a pro.. ;-)

This will be quite a stunt..
Haha I wouldn't say im a pro I'd say when I want something I go out of my way to get it. I constantly seem to have to keep going to New York to get stuff. Bought my wifes car there then drove it back 13 horus now im doing the same for this tv. If all goes well i'll post some pictures of it mounted and displayed.
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Is this your first Plasma TV? Take your time at the seller and test it.. I would bring the Xbox One X with you, a well known HDR movie..
Trust your eyes..
Blackl level is great and there is no such thing as Haloing or local dimming things going on ;-)

Is there a good "shakedown" test for the VT60/ZT60 ? I'm in the market for one, but I know little of how I could go about testing it, telling a good one from a bad one, etc.
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Is there a good "shakedown" test for the VT60/ZT60 ? I'm in the market for one, but I know little of how I could go about testing it, telling a good one from a bad one, etc.
I cant say for this tv specifically but do your due diligence. On a plasma I'd highly recommend seeing a complete white picture, complete black and complete grey. I'd test all ports on the tv making sure they all functions. Listen for noises, If the test mode or service menu hours an hour clock you can see how long the screen been on. Look for obvious burn in and retention. Normally the more stuff a person keeps for a tv the better care they take of their stuff in the first place. I've never seen anyone with the original box's and literature that didn't have a fantastic spec tv.
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The journey was worthwhile!

Got on a plane at 830 in RDU. Arrive in ny at 10. Drove to the house to pick it up and got there at 12. Then drove the tv in a van all the way from NY to Raleigh nc.

This tv is literally the best display i've ever owned. Me and my wife were both absolutely amazed that a 1080p display without HDR is playing back UHD movies delivering a better picture than any 4k HDR set we own. ( Sony x930c, SK8070, friend samsung nu8000 )

Pictures of the setup to come. This tv truly live up to its legendary name and its built like a tank. Im shocked it survived the journey. I had to lay it complete flat and drive over rough terrain for approximately 10 hours straight.
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Very cool, and Congratulations! You have the Best and Last plasma panasonic ever made. I know a guy who fixes and repairs tv's and has about 30 higher end tv's in his garage even an oled. But has a ZT60 as his main tv for viewing...

That says something about how great the ZT is, he laughed hysterically at me when i asked to buy it.
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Amazing!
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Not the best pictures I could take but, its really a spectacular tv.

Some quick questions on apps. It seems like its pretty outdated on its apps. Is there any custom firmware or ways to load things like Hulu and Disney Plus? I mostly find that using my xbox one s is vastly better in video clarity than whats being displayed on the tv's streaming apps but, it makes it simpler for the wife to just use the tv.
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It seems like its pretty outdated on its apps. Is there any custom firmware or ways to load things like Hulu and Disney Plus? I mostly find that using my xbox one s is vastly better in video clarity than whats being displayed on the tv's streaming apps but, it makes it simpler for the wife to just use the tv.
I don't believe there is. From time to time I'll get a notice from a company advising their App is no longer supported. Companies don't want to spend the money to update an App that has fewer and fewer users as these TV age.
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I don't believe there is. From time to time I'll get a notice from a company advising their App is no longer supported. Companies don't want to spend the money to update an App that has fewer and fewer users as these TV age.
I literally think thats the best thing about Sony tv's using Android. My x930 still receives regular updates. Hell at on point the whole user interface changed.
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