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post #61 of 14509 Old 05-30-2013, 05:33 PM
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I'm curious if its just me or my tv but it seems most posted settings have Color Tone set at Warm2, I myself find I like Standard better, reason being warm2 tints whites where Standard gives me the whitest whites (Cool as we all know gives us a blue tint which again isn't pure white to me).
These 2 photos have warm2 and Standard.. Sorry photo quality isnt' the best, I took it with my phone but I think you can see the tinting I'm speaking of, I don't even have to list which is which smile.gif
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Maybe you just re-updated again with 1103. Does your tv show that 1104 is loaded?

Yep it says 1104 is loaded.
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I'm curious if its just me or my tv but it seems most posted settings have Color Tone set at Warm2, I myself find I like Standard better, reason being warm2 tints whites where Standard gives me the whitest whites (Cool as we all know gives us a blue tint which again isn't pure white to me).
These 2 photos have warm2 and Standard.. Sorry photo quality isnt' the best, I took it with my phone but I think you can see the tinting I'm speaking of, I don't even have to list which is which smile.gif
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im somewhat in the same camp. as much as ive tried to go with warm2, not much time passes and im switching back to warm1. i find it gives great whites without being too blueish. at least on regular programming. netflicks and blurays depends... generally i stay on warm1 tho.

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I'm curious if its just me or my tv but it seems most posted settings have Color Tone set at Warm2, I myself find I like Standard better, reason being warm2 tints whites where Standard gives me the whitest whites (Cool as we all know gives us a blue tint which again isn't pure white to me).
These 2 photos have warm2 and Standard.. Sorry photo quality isnt' the best, I took it with my phone but I think you can see the tinting I'm speaking of, I don't even have to list which is which smile.gif
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Hey Pinger. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about!! For over a month, I had preferred the Standard color tone to the others....Out of the box, Standard is my preference. I think the reason it's not the preferred color tone to the master calibrators is that I don't think a proper calibration to the baseline, "Rec. 709", can be made using the "standard" color tone. (help me out guys, if I'm not correct here). Not until I was able to incorporate some of the cals uploaded by other forum members (Pie, Elvamir to name a couple) did I see a big improvement to the 8500's picture using "warm 2". I haven't used warm1, as ljmart, states he uses. I may try that out too......above all, whatever color tones pleases the viewer the most, regardless if it does/doesn't meet standards, should be their choice!
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Pinger, I too find warm2 uncalibrated too high in the reds.
Once calibrated, everything just works properly and warm2 looks 100% real.
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^so, pie, when are you going on tour?!!

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It's odd that nobody has seen any change with the update. So we have no idea what it does. I still haven't gotten it yet...waiting for the OTA version.

One thing that's never been mentioned, the quality of the built-in camera. I was stunned by how good that little thing looks on my 64" 8500! The clarity and color is far better than I would have thought. Of course I have no idea what I'll do with it! biggrin.gif
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The update is supposed to fix wi fi connection issues. Some of the units would drop the wireless connection momentarily. One of my sets experienced that problem. I thought it was a bad wi fi adaptor but apparently there was a bug in the firmware.
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A word of caution. Kevins calibration was done to an earlier version of firmware. FW 1103, Samsung made some changes to the core levels, so the calibration becomes inaccurate.
Luckily (?) I'm in Australia, and we are still on 1101.0. You guys have had more firmware updates than I've had hot dinners!

Still - good point for all the USA owners...

I'm going to attempt to get mine calibrated in the next month or two. Just need some more hours up and see if we are going to get any firmware updates that affect picture quality.
BTW - Even on v1101 I haven't seen any brightness pops in 2D content. I do on occasion in 3D. I don't think I would have noticed it until my son pointed it out mad.gif
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the camera in the pouch message is gone.smile.gif
That is strange because I have version 1104 installed and still get the pop up message about the camera. Honestly this doesn't bother me.
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^so, pie, when are you going on tour?!!

HAH! biggrin.gif That made me chuckle. It would probably be a long drive, I'm in Ontario Canada.
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That is strange because I have version 1104 installed and still get the pop up message about the camera. Honestly this doesn't bother me.

Do you have any of the camera related apps still turned on?
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Do you have any of the camera related apps still turned on?
Yeah, good point! If you have camera/motion control still "on" with your camera tucked away in its pouch, I would expect samsung to tell you with a pop up window.......check for that guys......
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Do you have any of the camera related apps still turned on?
Great advice, I disabled my motion control and no more camera messages.

Thanks Pie
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They really did 'fix' the message to appear when it should appear and only then.
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They really did 'fix' the message to appear when it should appear and only then.
Samsung finally "got it right"...Alleluia!!
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Hey Pinger. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about!! For over a month, I had preferred the Standard color tone to the others....Out of the box, Standard is my preference. I think the reason it's not the preferred color tone to the master calibrators is that I don't think a proper calibration to the baseline, "Rec. 709", can be made using the "standard" color tone. (help me out guys, if I'm not correct here). Not until I was able to incorporate some of the cals uploaded by other forum members (Pie, Elvamir to name a couple) did I see a big improvement to the 8500's picture using "warm 2". I haven't used warm1, as ljmart, states he uses. I may try that out too......above all, whatever color tones pleases the viewer the most, regardless if it does/doesn't meet standards, should be their choice!

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Pinger, I too find warm2 uncalibrated too high in the reds.
Once calibrated, everything just works properly and warm2 looks 100% real.

That all makes prefect sense,
I haven't plugged in posted calibrated Color space, white balance & 10pt whites since the updates started rolling out so maybe I'll give some newer ones out next week (heading out of town for the weekend).
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^ Chris, I think there was a growing consensus to leave the bickering over different makes on the original thread as it is not an 'owners thread'.

Ultimately all that means is that I have another thread to check :/

At least it will neaten things up smile.gif
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What are your votes for best bluray picture quality you have watched on the F8500 that made you grin!

I love Life of Pi and The Dark Knight!

Animations such as Up and Madagascar and Avatar are so colorful and fun to watch also!
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I continue to be very impressed with Samsung's responsiveness with these updates. smile.gif
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Thanks to some in these forums helping me make my decision this will be my first plasma. I havent watched it yet my break in period is over saturday and I cant wait, ill be using some of the settings posted in these threads. Im coming from a 65hx950 good tv but couldnt deal with the off axis, My wife was mad when I sent it back for exchange so I cant wait to put this tv to the test so I can stop hearing the bickering and get a nice big hug when she realize how good the pq is lol..
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Hey guys (this includes gals), can you post pix of your calibrated TV? Want to see if it is worth it to get my set calibrated. Had the 60", but returned for the 64" which will be delivered tomorrow. Found the standard setting to be pretty good with the movie setting good for night viewing. Relax is actually pretty good to especially for The Hobbit.

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Hey guys (this includes gals), can you post pix of your calibrated TV? Want to see if it is worth it to get my set calibrated. Had the 60", but returned for the 64" which will be delivered tomorrow. Found the standard setting to be pretty good with the movie setting good for night viewing. Relax is actually pretty good to especially for The Hobbit.

Posting pictures of a calibrated TV will not show off what is seen on the actual TV. The "worth" of calibration is if you want the most acurate picture you can possibly get out of your set, or if your OK with tweaking it yourself.
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Hey guys (this includes gals), can you post pix of your calibrated TV? Want to see if it is worth it to get my set calibrated. Had the 60", but returned for the 64" which will be delivered tomorrow. Found the standard setting to be pretty good with the movie setting good for night viewing. Relax is actually pretty good to especially for The Hobbit.
There is no way to communicate the value of a professional calibration with a picture. If you assume that the F8500 is similar to the best plasmas that have the controls needed to calibrate them you can read the experiences of owners who have had the work done.

Use the "Customer's ... " link in the signature area at the bottom of my post and go to the flat panel reports in post number two. The Pioneer Elite models, and the Panasonic VT50, VT60, and ZT60 are good examples of what you might expect from the F8500.

If you're happy with your set now, take some time to learn what calibration and professional calibration is all about before making up your mind one way or the other. There is a settings thread for the F8500 that might interest you too.

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Here's a question ... my viewing distance is roughly 7 feet from my 60" F8500 and I can plainly see the effects of the nanotube filter at that distance (vertical off axis degradation). Do I have a defective panel with an over aggressive filter? From what I've read those effects should stop from roughly 2 to 3 feet. What do you guys see?
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^^ Not sure where you got the 2-3ft but I can see the effects of the filter over 16ft away when I'm at drastic vertical angles above or below the screen. In my normal seating area where the center of the screen is aligned with my eyes....all is well. I dont think you have a defect.

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Any of you that game on this set how bad is the input lag?
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whats considered drastic vertical angles
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