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Thanks for everyone and their feedback, after reading all the comments and experience. From users this set is not for me I do a lot of gaming, and I have kids that will be playing on this TV. So I rather not take the risk of them mis treating the TV.
I think you might be making a mistake. You're not going to have too many plasma alternatives.

They key is avoiding RECKLESS risks that might lead to IR or BI. Even if they happen, the protections built-in and the Screen Wipe should alleviate the problem.

How old are your kids ? If they are old enough to protect the TV, you shouldn't have a problem. My brother and I were 10 and 12 when we got Magnavox's Odyssey in the 1970's and even then we knew that the contrast had to be turned down.

If your kids go to the bathroom or take a quick food/drink break (say 5 minutes) no need to turn off the game/screen. But if they are going to take longer or go outside before recontinuing the game, then best to freeze the game and switch inputs.

It's not something I think any 8 year old or above kid can't learn. Younger than that, then maybe a grown-up checking to make sure they don't leave the game image on the TV for hours while they are off doing something else.
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Really, hmm that's a plus. I don't want to buy another TV until 2-3yrs will this TV last that long with proper care?

It should, at least I hope, at least I'm gambling on that. But no one can give guarantees to what you're asking.

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Really, hmm that's a plus. I don't want to buy another TV until 2-3yrs will this TV last that long with proper care?
You can never tell, but my 2006 720p plasma lasted 22,000 hours and I still might be able to fix it. 80+ hours a week for 5 1/2 years.

Another factor to consider: the TV you are considering buying is going to cost $600-$800. Even if the worst happens -- some minor IR or BI a few years down the road -- it's not a huge financial setback.

When the 1st and 2nd generation of plasmas were much more susceptible to IR and BI, a 42" model was $4,000 or more.

Big Difference !!

There was a time we got warranties with our VCRs and DVD players. Then the price fell -- no more.

Not pooh-poohing any potential losses, but the TV's today are so much less likely to get IR/BI and the cost is a fraction compared to 10+ years ago. By then you might give the kids the plasma and you and the missus get a new 4K OLED or LCD at a great price.
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These plasmas should easily last until 2020 when OLED is more mature and much less expensive.
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These plasmas should easily last until 2020 when OLED is more mature and much less expensive.
It all depends on the usage, Soul.

When I got my 50" Philips Ambilight for my living room, the 42" model went to the bedroom where the only regular use is when my parents sleep over.

The weekly usage on the 42" got cut down by 95%. The 4,000 hours a year it would normally get went down to about 200 hours a year, if that (one year it was about 50 hours !! ).

So let's say the 42" was destined to crap out at about 10,000 hours, less than half the usage of the 50". At my current rate for the bedroom, that means the TV is probably good for another 7-8 years.

Conversely, if it had replaced my 50" instead of the 5300 Samsung that I got last month, it would last -- at my current rate of use for the Living Room -- about 6 months.

It all depends on if the TV is being used for heavy, medium, or light duty !
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You should get *far* more than 10,000 hours from a plasma TV. The average half-life is 60,000 hours. That is the point at which the image dims enough to be noticeably not as bright anymore - and it will keep working longer than that. That is even longer than LCD displays that have CFL or LED bulbs that will eventually burn out.
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Unless you're that guy from earlier in the thread whose viewing is 95% subtitles, then the IR thing is really nothing to worry about. Is it real? Yes. Just don't be a bone head like me and fall asleep with the ESPN ticker on for 8 hrs and you'll be fine. I'd say 2hrs is a good threshold for anything that is static on screen - HUD, network logos, etc. provided you are mixing up the content. Also, commercials run every 5 minutes and they are mostly full screen. I've had mine since Feb and use it 4-5 hrs a day watching TV (mostly sports which always has a ticker scrolling), letterbox movies and gaming. I have never seen a trace of IR.
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You should get *far* more than 10,000 hours from a plasma TV. The average half-life is 60,000 hours. That is the point at which the image dims enough to be noticeably not as bright anymore - and it will keep working longer than that.

Actually, I think the half life is more like 100,000 hours for a modern plasma. That's basically so long it need not even be a consideration. The electronics that drive the panel are likely to fail before 30,000 hours. At most they would last till about 50,000 hours.
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Yeah, that is much more likely than the panel going out. Still, if it were 10,000 I would not buy plasma, no matter how good it looked.
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You should get *far* more than 10,000 hours from a plasma TV. The average half-life is 60,000 hours. That is the point at which the image dims enough to be noticeably not as bright anymore - and it will keep working longer than that. That is even longer than LCD displays that have CFL or LED bulbs that will eventually burn out.
That's the panel life. Unfortunately there are other components that can fail much earlier. I had an E530 that failed within Costco two year warranty. They fixed it twice then gave me my money back.
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That's the panel life. Unfortunately there are other components that can fail much earlier. I had an E530 that failed within Costco two year warranty. They fixed it twice then gave me my money back.
Agreed, panel life is the least of the issues one should worry about. It's much more likely something else will go wrong or you'll be wanting a new TV long before you have to worry about panel life.

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You should get *far* more than 10,000 hours from a plasma TV. The average half-life is 60,000 hours. That is the point at which the image dims enough to be noticeably not as bright anymore - and it will keep working longer than that. That is even longer than LCD displays that have CFL or LED bulbs that will eventually burn out.
My TV is on for 80+ hours a week, which is pretty heavy use. With parts and circuit boards malfunctioning, unless you know it's an inexpensive repair/fix and you can ID the problem correctly, if the problem happens after 5 years and 10,000-15,000 hours, most people will probably get an expensive quote to fix the TV and then decide to just junk it and get a new one.

My 50" Philips broke after about 18 months because the capacitors went. They are a simple soldering job that takes 45 minutes and $10 in parts (before this fix was diagnosed, people were replacing the entire circuit board which cost a few hundred dollars or more). My friend did it for a free Chinese dinner.

The recent problem also seems fixable -- loose connection involving the entire circuit/video board (when it happened over the last few years a few taps to the back of the TV in a key location would bring back the image which went black). But most people who aren't HDTV enthusiasts won't research these problems or take the unorthodox fixes that get them thousands of more hours of viewing for little cost.

When the TV's cost 5-10x as much as they do today, it was a bigger necessity to get as much use out of the TV as possible. People paid the $$$ to repair the TVs and/or paid big $$$ for circuit or video boards (where most of the problems seemed to occur.) Of course, most of the time it wasn't the entire board that needed to be replaced but just a few key fuses, capacitors, or other parts.

I could be wrong but I don't know anybody on AVS who has reported more than 30,000 hours on a plasma. There might be people who have gotten more viewing hours but they either haven't checked the hours or they haven't posted it online. Maybe some of the guys who bought quality Panasonic or Pioneer plasmas a few years ago will have some great total hours to report in a few years. Or maybe the VT/ZT and 8500 buyers will have some great hours to report by 2020.
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Agreed, panel life is the least of the issues one should worry about. It's much more likely something else will go wrong or you'll be wanting a new TV long before you have to worry about panel life.
Exactly....it's other parts going and unless the TV signals an Error Code that helps you ID the problem you are looking at a big investment in a repair, diagnosis, or parts -- or all three.

Years ago people had warranties and/or looked at getting a repair. My first HDTV was a 2006 42" 720p Philips that cost just under $2,000. I got a 3 year warranty for about $300. Today that same TV costs under $400 and I probably don't get the warranty.
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Yeah, that is much more likely than the panel going out. Still, if it were 10,000 I would not buy plasma, no matter how good it looked.
I just used that as an arbitrary number. If my bedroom TV lasts only to 10,000 hours my point was it's not bad because it'll probably last to 2022 or so at the current rate of usage.

If it lasts as long as its 50" counterpart, it'll probably last past 2050 -- which probably means it outlasts me. And I doubt I want or need a TV to last me 40 years.
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Exactly....it's other parts going and unless the TV signals an Error Code that helps you ID the problem you are looking at a big investment in a repair, diagnosis, or parts -- or all three.

Years ago people had warranties and/or looked at getting a repair. My first HDTV was a 2006 42" 720p Philips that cost just under $2,000. I got a 3 year warranty for about $300. Today that same TV costs under $400 and I probably don't get the warranty.
I venture to guess some folks will get their plasmas repaired regardless if it's cost effective or not in order to avoid LCD display technology. I hope my E7000 lasts till OLEDs mature and come down in price or when there's an affordable LCD with FALD performance like the Sharp Elite.

I remember rolling my eyes from reading a post where someone purchased 2 ZT60 Panasonics, one for when the first ZT60 dies. Now it seems like a wise purchase.

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I remember rolling my eyes from reading a post where someone purchased 2 ZT60 Panasonics, one for when the first ZT60 dies. Now it seems like a wise purchase.
If I had the $$$, I'd probably have done that or maybe stored away a Samsung 8500.

In my case, I love the Ambilight feature on the Philips. If we can repair the 50", I'll save it and keep using the Samsung 5300 as my primary TV (better PQ, 60" vs. 50"). And I'll still have the 42" putting minimal hours on weekly, so I should have it a long time.
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I could be wrong but I don't know anybody on AVS who has reported more than 30,000 hours on a plasma. There might be people who have gotten more viewing hours but they either haven't checked the hours or they haven't posted it online. Maybe some of the guys who bought quality Panasonic or Pioneer plasmas a few years ago will have some great total hours to report in a few years. Or maybe the VT/ZT and 8500 buyers will have some great hours to report by 2020.

Our old Sammy purchased in 2006 I believe maybe 2005 has got to be close to that 30000 hr mark or beyond. That poor thing ran almost continually until the arrival of the H5000. It has now been relegated to bedroom duty. I believe that even back then (2006) panels were rated at 60000 hrs.


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Our old Sammy purchased in 2006 I believe maybe 2005 has got to be close to that 30000 hr mark or beyond. That poor thing ran almost continually until the arrival of the H5000. It has now been relegated to bedroom duty. I believe that even back then (2006) panels were rated at 60000 hrs. CheersAndy

Andy, you should be able to check Hours Of Use by entering the Service Menu for your particular model..
.I'm sure it's available on the relevant AVS Thread for your Samsung model.

Get the Code...check the Hours...report back. You could be close to 40,000 hours if you got the H5000 1-2 years ago.
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Andy, you should be able to check Hours Of Use by entering the Service Menu for your particular model..
.I'm sure it's available on the relevant AVS Thread for your Samsung model.

Get the Code...check the Hours...report back. You could be close to 40,000 hours if you got the H5000 1-2 years ago.
Even if you got it right when it was available about 14 months ago, you'd have to have it on for nearly 100 hours a day to be near the 40,000 mark.

I think we're over analyzing and underestimating this lifespan thing.
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Even if you got it right when it was available about 14 months ago, you'd have to have it on for nearly 100 hours a day to be near the 40,000 mark.
No, Soul, I was referencing his 2006 purchase of an older Samsung plasma. He had that for 7-8 years until the 5000 replaced it.

10 hours a day @ 8 years of use would put it close to 30,000 hours.

A main TV used by kids during the day and adults at night could easily see 12-14 hours a day of use. I've averaged 80+ hours a week and that includes lighter viewing on the weekend when I usually visit or go away for hours at a time. I probably have the TV on for close to 15 hours a day Mon-Friday.

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So at more than double the average usage, you may still not burn it out in 8 years. If it does die before then due to an unforeseen electronics failure, OLED will be very affordable at that point and will be a tempting upgrade.

At normal usage levels that would be 16-20 years. Not bad at all for how amazing the picture is and how little we paid for it.
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So at more than double the average usage, you may still not burn it out in 8 years. If it does die before then due to an unforeseen electronics failure, OLED will be very affordable at that point and will be a tempting upgrade. At normal usage levels that would be 16-20 years. Not bad at all for how amazing the picture is and how little we paid for it.
Oh I agree...the problem is, long before the panel life expiration approaches something else goes wrong. It could be an entire video or circuit panel costing a few hundred $$$ or a simple capacitor that costs $5.

Unfortunataly...most of the the time someone doesn't know which it is, and given the choice TODAY (as opposed to 8-9 years ago) you'd rather spend $500-$600 on a new TV rather than spend $300 getting an old one fixed.

Only top-end buyers (OLEDs, 4Ks, Sammy 8500's, and top-of-the-line Pannys) who are savvy and can ID the problem will likely try and keep their sets going until the plasma display life expectancy approaches.
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In this day and age of "upgrades" and "gotta-have-its" I cant imagine many people actually keeping their TVs longer than what the life expectancy of the panel would be. No way. As others have mentioned, in the "old days" it made sense not only financially to repair a TV but also from a technology standpoint since tech lasted longer before people felt the need to upgrade. Now, its basically a throw-away system with most electronics. Just the way it is.

Someone made an interesting point about fixing a plasma even if it was NOT cost effective so they could avoid LCDs or whatever. Thats a very good possibility. id like to think that by the time my H5000 has worn out its welcome or starts to give me trouble that some other tech would work for me. Gosh..I HOPE so!

As for right now, there is NOT a single set out there based on LCD tech or any other tech that I'd rather have than plasma.

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I remember rolling my eyes from reading a post where someone purchased 2 ZT60 Panasonics, one for when the first ZT60 dies. Now it seems like a wise purchase.

I actually did this for my S60. That is, I bought a spare F5300B that's still new in the box and never opened just in case my S60 were to fail. I hope I never need to open it, so I can sell it when I buy a reasonably priced OLED in a few years.
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In this day and age of "upgrades" and "gotta-have-its" I cant imagine many people actually keeping their TVs longer than what the life expectancy of the panel would be. No way. As others have mentioned, in the "old days" it made sense not only financially to repair a TV but also from a technology standpoint since tech lasted longer before people felt the need to upgrade. Now, its basically a throw-away system with most electronics. Just the way it is.
S2Mike, I agree. My reason for keeping my two older Philips 720p plasmas is not only is the picture acceptable -- I'm not saying it blows you away like a Samsung 8500 or even my F5300B -- but it IS a Hi-Def TV and both are plasmas, which will soon be obsolete.

Plus...my 2 TV's have the Ambilight feature, which unfortunately has been limited to Philips TV's sold in Europe only. I'm hoping as more manufacturers leave the U.S. market over time that if Philips is still making sets in Europe they will then sell their high-ends with Ambilight in the U.S. down the line. In a few years, the U.S. market may largely be Samsung, LG, Vizio and maybe Sony (though I think Sony may even leave the market if they can't make $$$).
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Well I went to the store to go get one, and the manager says it's a glitch on their systems that says they have them in stock. But they really do not have anymore, sucks!
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Well I went to the store to go get one, and the manager says it's a glitch on their systems that says they have them in stock. But they really do not have anymore, sucks!
My local BB had the F5300B a month ago, but not sure about this model. If interested, PM me.
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Andy, you should be able to check Hours Of Use by entering the Service Menu for your particular model...I'm sure it's available on the relevant AVS Thread for your Samsung model.

Get the Code...check the Hours...report back. You could be close to 40,000 hours if you got the H5000 1-2 years ago.
Okay PhilipsPhanatic are you ready for this, I wasn't, I knew it has seen some serious usage!!!!!!!!!!!!!.................50987 hrs. Approaching half life quickly............ the model is a Samsung HP-S5053.
We have only had the H5000 for approx. 4 to 5 months.


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Well I went to the store to go get one, and the manager says it's a glitch on their systems that says they have them in stock. But they really do not have anymore, sucks!

Think your only option thru Best Buy on a plasma may be the LG's, when I was on their site the other day they had the 50in 6600 and the 60in 6900 listed.


As of today Amazon has a few H5000 and a few 51in 5300's.


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Possible screen burn in issue with Samsung PN64H5000AFXZA plasma

Hi I bought a Samsung PN64H5000AFXZA about 6 months ago. I watch CNN news a lot. CNN has their logo displayed in the lower right hand corner of the screen constantly during broadcast Last week I was watching a movie where the entire screen was white. I noticed a ghostly red image of the CNN logo in the lower right hand corner of the screen.

This Samsung is the third plasma I have purchased. The other two are Panasonic's. I wondered if this is a problem associated with Samsung plasma's. The Panasonic plasma's did not appear to have this issue.

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