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If you think one day a magical TV will appear when no one returns them and every comment is positive, you really need to wake up from dream land.[/QUOTE]

You're comments are spot on except for the last paragraph. There is no need here for such rude remarks directed to me, unless of course that's you being you...
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If you think one day a magical TV will appear when no one returns them and every comment is positive, you really need to wake up from dream land.
You're comments are spot on except for the last paragraph. There is no need here for such rude remarks directed to me, unless of course that's you being you...[/QUOTE]
It wasn't meant to be rude. Don't be so touchy, it's the internet.
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Point well taken Fierce. My real complaint is with the high end LED's like the F8000 and f8500 Plasmas series. After reading both threads dedicated to these TV's I feel it's a shame that some people are having to resort to returning these TV's until they get what they consider a good one.

I myself will be going to BB soon and get a plain jane PN60F5300 then wait and see what is offered in the next year or so..
I agree, it's a shame that the best you can buy now are TV's that only cost a couple grand. if we still had high-end TV's on the market that cost more money, we likely wouldn't have to deal with these compromises
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They are?
No use in trying to explain anything else to you personally at this point. You obviously have your own special interpretation of what I said.

Either way, I see the appeal of 4K and I will just patiently wait until the format is finalized. I would love to early adopt as much as the next guy, but I just don't have the cash to burn on that sadly
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he also doesn't realize that a 2k tv today is MUCH cheaper than his sony XBR was back in the day.


I remember my dad buying a 32" sony for 3grand, and that was like 1990, so that's probably over $5000 in today's market.


as much as I love crt, and agree to a point that 'they don't make em like they used to' I'm not blaming the technology, I'm blaming the market. imagine the crt you would have gotten if the average consumer thought a 'good tv' should cost no more than $250. I don't know what you were thinking back then, but I remember saving up and buying my very first TV for around 500bux, and I in no way whatsoever expected it to be 'good' for such a small amount of money... nowadays ppl expect to get 60" TV's for 500bux, and they think the only compromise they might have to make is not having smart features, or a 4th HDMI input...
I think CRTs were near commodities by the 90s (there wasnt much to differentiate them one from another they all had Invar Shadow Masks for example *except Sony Trinitrons of course and the comb filters were getting better), there was some movement with Flattening Screens, Progressive Scanning, and then Higher Rez at the end.

What killed CRT was 250 lb TVs at 32" 16:9.

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Laugh if you want to, but my "ancient, obsolete" HDTV CRTs all work and look great, and will likely outlive me.
Wonder how long my plasmas and LEDs will last?
Im a fan of CRT, easy bro!

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You see, now you got it! lol
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I think CRTs were near commodities by the 90s (there wasnt much to differentiate them one from another they all had Invar Shadow Masks for example *except Sony Trinitrons of course and the comb filters were getting better), there was some movement with Flattening Screens, Progressive Scanning, and then Higher Rez at the end.

What killed CRT was 250 lb TVs at 32" 16:9.
maybe with tubes, there was less. but I know for sure CRT's were not all created equally. the last crt we bought(my brother bought it while we both still lived with our parents) was a high end hitachi RPTV and I STILL haven't seen TV's that could match it in some aspects. it was basically the tv that ruined TV's for me, haha. it destroyed the zenith tube's we had, and put a hurt on the then malfunctioning sony. it was the last crt we ever bought, but it was by FAR the best tv we owned at the time.


I just think there was different things that separated crts. I remember researching things like horizontal lines of resolution, 3:2 pulldown, and I'm probably going to get this wrong, but something like 3DYC processing or filter or something, haha. anyway, I certainly wasn't comparing things like black level, or input lag


totally agree that convenience is what killed CRT. especially the tube ones. from shipping them, to bring them home, nobody wanted the hassles of the big heavy boxes. but I had hoped there would be a market for the RPTV crt's. it boggled my mind why anybody would pay 5grand for a 42" plasma when for 1500 you could get a 70" RPTV. but I learned a lesson, basically that what I want and believe means nothing. that's why while I'm angry with the 'death' of plasma, I'm not as naïve about it this time, and made sure I was 'stocked up' for my display needs before it was too late.

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Really this CRT talking is motivating me to buy one to use with real retro game consoles instead of my emulators, it just doesn't feel the same.




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The problem is the weight of a 36" .
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haha, if only I had one that lasted...


not one of my crt's technically 'failed' but none of them worked properly either. the picture on two just got insanely fuzzy, to the point you couldn't read the tv guide on it. the RPTV started making rainbows, and then finally the blue tube decided it was better as a solo act.


I certainly wouldn't mind still having a GOOD crt, preferably a nice RPTV to watch movies on in the dark... but it's not worth going back to a 'round' 4:3 screen with 250 lines of resolution to me.
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haha, if only I had one that lasted...


not one of my crt's technically 'failed' but none of them worked properly either. the picture on two just got insanely fuzzy, to the point you couldn't read the tv guide on it. the RPTV started making rainbows, and then finally the blue tube decided it was better as a solo act.


I certainly wouldn't mind still having a GOOD crt, preferably a nice RPTV to watch movies on in the dark... but it's not worth going back to a 'round' 4:3 screen with 250 lines of resolution to me.
I still have a CRT in my home office. Looks and works like new. Then again, it's a Panasonic.

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Some of those Rear Projection CRTs at the end (as well as CRT Front Projectors which Im more familiar with) are fantastic. But I was ruined on CRT Rear Projection sets from the abominations that were sold before the advent of HD).

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Im looking for a Sony 30xs955, myself. Im not familiar with Toshiba and Panasonic 16:9 offerings.

A good Sony Triniton 4:3 (black box) from the 90s is nice to have for legacy video game consonles.

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My very last CRT TV was a Philips true widescreen hdtv.


I think it was only 480p and 1080i.
My last CRT was a 32" Panasonic PureFlat HDTV CT32HX40 - 171 lbs, ouch!

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My last CRT was a 32" Panasonic PureFlat HDTV CT32HX40 - 171 lbs, ouch!
My last tube TV was a 2003 Panasonic flat CT-32HXC43 (HD/1080i but 4:3 LOL). I sold it in summer of 2005 for $700 on Craigslist a month after buying my first Plasma (TH-42PX50U).
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My last tube TV was a 2003 Panasonic flat CT-32HXC43 (HD/1080i but 4:3 LOL). I sold it in summer of 2005 for $700 on Craigslist a month after buying my first Plasma (TH-42PX50U).
I had a 27" B&W Admiral with doors that you opened to see the picture, circa 1958.
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What killed CRT was 250 lb TVs at 32" 16:9.
That's exactly why I want my Sony CRT to outlive me.
I can't begin to move it!
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That's exactly why I want my Sony CRT to outlive me.
I can't begin to move it!
Just saw a huge 40" JVC 4:3 flat screen CRT circa 2005 abandoned in a foreclosed house.

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Just saw a huge 40" JVC 4:3 flat screen CRT circa 2005 abandoned in a foreclosed house.
40"????
Was it a rear projection, or an actual tube that big.?
If an actual tube, it must weigh 300 lbs.
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I still have a CRT in my home office. Looks and works like new. Then again, it's a Panasonic.

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I feel like I totally missed the meeting that announced Panasonic was a good brand, haha.


I never heard that, and it seemed like they just defaulted into the best tv brand after pioneer left and nobody else was making plasmas.


I know our tubes, except for the one sony, were all pretty unexceptional. but the hitachi RPTV we bought was one of the higher rated TV's made that year. I remember reading about it after my brother bought it(cause again, I thought hitachi was nothing special) and being surprised by how positive everything was about it. unfortunately it just 'wore out'. I don't know how else to say it, every day it got a little less impressive, and after 8yrs or so it wasn't worth keeping.


I remember wanting one of those mitsubishi's, but I don't think they were ever sold in Canada.
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40"????
Was it a rear projection, or an actual tube that big.?
If an actual tube, it must weigh 300 lbs.
when I was 15, I had my eyes set on a 40" 16:9 Toshiba. I thought that was it, how can it get any better? haha. I ended up buying a car instead(for slightly less money than the tv too, haha) but I regretted it for awhile.
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Tube.

I thought about acquiring it, but then quickly disabused myself of that notion. It will probably stay with the house in perpetuity.

It might be, probably is a 36" er, not a 40" er.

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I feel like I totally missed the meeting that announced Panasonic was a good brand, haha.


I never heard that, and it seemed like they just defaulted into the best tv brand after pioneer left and nobody else was making plasmas.


I know our tubes, except for the one sony, were all pretty unexceptional. but the hitachi RPTV we bought was one of the higher rated TV's made that year. I remember reading about it after my brother bought it(cause again, I thought hitachi was nothing special) and being surprised by how positive everything was about it. unfortunately it just 'wore out'. I don't know how else to say it, every day it got a little less impressive, and after 8yrs or so it wasn't worth keeping.


I remember wanting one of those mitsubishi's, but I don't think they were ever sold in Canada.
They're display pioneers (no pun intended), going back to the 50s. They should've learned something about silicon after all these years. What I am personally most fond about Panasonic is their legendary turntable, the Technic SL-1200. A staple in any DJ's collection and many a nightclub for over 3 decades. They just stopped manufacturing them a few years ago.
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I feel like I totally missed the meeting that announced Panasonic was a good brand, haha.


I never heard that, and it seemed like they just defaulted into the best tv brand after pioneer left and nobody else was making plasmas.


I know our tubes, except for the one sony, were all pretty unexceptional. but the hitachi RPTV we bought was one of the higher rated TV's made that year. I remember reading about it after my brother bought it(cause again, I thought hitachi was nothing special) and being surprised by how positive everything was about it. unfortunately it just 'wore out'. I don't know how else to say it, every day it got a little less impressive, and after 8yrs or so it wasn't worth keeping.


I remember wanting one of those mitsubishi's, but I don't think they were ever sold in Canada.
Hitachi is a great Japanese manufacturer of consumer electronics. My father had a Hitachi 27" direct view CRT in the 80s that was great.

I had an Hitachi made Tape Deck - a Realistic SCT-3100 that was fantastic.

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Mum had a Hitachi boombox from the 80s (vintage!) that was a workhorse...nothing that replaced it was as long-lasting or reliable.
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They're display pioneers (no pun intended), going back to the 50s. They should've learned something about silicon after all these years. What I am personally most fond about Panasonic is their legendary turntable, the Technic SL-1200. A staple in any DJ's collection and many a nightclub for over 3 decades. They just stopped manufacturing them a few years ago.
Panasonic radios are also top notch.....like the legendary RF-2200.

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Got a Panasonic boombox to replace that Hitachi but unfortunately the touch-sensitive tape deck controls stopped functioning prematurely (maybe due to the incursion of dust?). Otherwise it was a good product.
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Ok I found my last CRT TV ---- Philips widescreen TV 34PW8402. 196 pound
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