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Still have my 720P Panny Plasma. Time to upgrade?

Ive got a 2007 Panasonic 50px75u that I love and still works beautifully.

That said, Im missing out on 1080p materials (if not higher) but, I hear Plasmas still have the best pics.
Im a big fan of the natural picture of my plasma.

What type of TV would you upgrade from the above or, would you advise I just continue with my TV?

If the former, what technology produces the most natural looking/ plasma-like pic and is it worth going up to 4k?
Or, do I hop on one of these incredibly affordable 1080p deals?

Ive (obviously) been out of the game for a while so any information/guidance you can provide is greatly appreciated.

FYI-Im not a gamer; I use Netflix, an Apple TV but dont have a Bluray player...
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get a plasma while you still can.

Who needs 4K?... just go see your optometrist.
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get a plasma while you still can.
I already have one...
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I already have one...

I meant a 1080P plasma

Who needs 4K?... just go see your optometrist.
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I meant a 1080P plasma
Are there any affordable ones on the market? Everything I have found seems terribly expensive.

Other than OLED, are there any LCD or LED markets that will provide a better picture than my 8 year old Plasma?

Is my Plasma worth anything on the market right now?
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Unless you're sitting on top of it, the eye can't see a difference between 1080/720.

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Unless you're sitting on top of it, the eye can't see a difference between 1080/720.
I could start to see the SDE on my 46'' Panasonic 720p C2 at about 9 feet. My 50'' 1080p S60, I can see the pixels at about a foot or two at best.

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Are there any affordable ones on the market? Everything I have found seems terribly expensive.
The Samsung F5300 series 1080p models are going for cheap and will look a lot better than the PX75U (but the F5300 is a LOT more reflective). Otherwise it would be a big upgrade in PQ.


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Other than OLED, are there any LCD or LED markets that will provide a better picture than my 8 year old Plasma?
After doing a lot of LCD research, i recently got a 55" Sony W800B LCD TV for the man-room and it outperforms my 2009 G10 and 2005 PX50U on every level. It also looks better than my brother-in-law's 42PX75U. I'm actually very impressed with this Sony, with my only real complaint being that the contrast level and shadow detail aren't quite as good as on my 55" Panny ST60 but that was to be expected.


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Is my Plasma worth anything on the market right now?
Maybe a couple hundred bucks based on Craigslist trends, but it could be a hard sell as there are lots of unwanted older Plasmas on there going for cheap - and not selling. I had my trusty old 42PX50U on Craigslist for $200 for a month and only got lowball offers in the $50 - $100 range. I'd rather give it to a friend or relative for free than sell it that cheap (i paid $3,500 for it in early 2005).

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Here you see the 1080p ST60 vs less then 720p Panasonic PX-8.


You can trust me on that, the picture will not look sharper with 1080p with movie content from a certain viewing distance. I sit 3m away. (9 feet)


The difference is much more the colours, the more natural, realistic, lifelike picture, and the black level. The modern plasmas look incredible Natural and Realistic with best Contrast and black Level.


Keep in mind, that your (old) plasma has incredible strong light output. The new plasmas can not reach that.
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FWIW, i can clearly see the pixel structure on my 42" 720p PX50U at 8 feet, but i have to get within about 3 feet before i see it on my 42" 1080p PZ700U.

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Black Level:


2013 vs.2008.
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After doing a lot of LCD research, i recently got a 55" Sony W800B LCD TV for the man-room and it outperforms my 2009 G10 and 2005 PX50U on every level. It also looks better than my brother-in-law's 42PX75U. I'm actually very impressed with this Sony, with my only real complaint being that the contrast level and shadow detail aren't quite as good as on my 55" Panny ST60 but that was to be expected.

OMG! Mr Panasonic bought a Sony! And and an LCD to boot! Ouch!


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Maybe a couple hundred bucks based on Craigslist trends, but it could be a hard sell as there are lots of unwanted older Plasmas on there going for cheap - and not selling. I had my trusty old 42PX50U on Craigslist for $200 for a month and only got lowball offers in the $50 - $100 range. I'd rather give it to a friend or relative for free than sell it that cheap (i paid $3,500 for it in early 2005).
I paid about $450.00 for my C2 back in early 2010. I believe it listed for $699.00 . I sold it on Craigs list last year for $300.00. I guess used sets run cheaper in LA.


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Unless you're sitting on top of it, the eye can't see a difference between 1080/720.
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Here you see the 1080p ST60 vs less then 720p Panasonic PX-8.


You can trust me on that, the picture will not look sharper with 1080p with movie content from a certain viewing distance. I sit 3m away. (9 feet)


The difference is much more the colours, the more natural, realistic, lifelike picture, and the black level. The modern plasmas look incredible Natural and Realistic with best Contrast and black Level.


Keep in mind, that your (old) plasma has incredible strong light output. The new plasmas can not reach that.
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... said Stevie Wonder

FWIW, i can clearly see the pixel structure on my 42" 720p PX50U at 8 feet, but i have to get within about 3 feet before i see it on my 42" 1080p PZ700U.

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Are you guys saying I wont see a difference in PQ between watching 1080p material on a 1080p set vs a 720p one??
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No God said it when he made your eyes. If you do a search, there are charts which show the screen size and the distance from the screen where you can no longer perceive the higher resolution. Much of what you read on forums comes from imagination, not reality. Rather than carrying on with a coming flame war, just do a search and you'll get the relevant info.

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Here is the chart:


http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget....tion_chart.jpg


I would put it this way: You will benefit greatly in terms of colour, contrast, black level and a lifelike more realistic and better image.

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Here is the chart:


http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget....tion_chart.jpg


I would put it this way: You will benefit greatly in terms of colour, contrast, black level and a lifelike more realistic and better image.

I agree with this. IMO I would upgrade to a 60's series Panasonic, F8500 Samsung, 9g Kuro, or wait a year or two for OLED to be more affordable and better quality (and all the other stuff that will go with it (4k, expanded colorspace, and HDR come to mind).

In my TV room I have a 65" ST60 that I sit about 7 feet away from (past the mark of fully resolving 1080p) and the difference between a good 720 and 1080 stream on netflix is noticeable but has much less impact on the picture than all the other factors at play (480 to 720 I feel is much more significant). Its partly a netflix thing, the quality only gets so good so who cares about a little less resolution when there are other more obvious picture flaws present. Bluray image quality still is better than anything else available, IMO mainly due to the lack of compression artifacts.
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In my TV room I have a 65" ST60 that I sit about 7 feet away from (past the mark of fully resolving 1080p) and the difference between a good 720 and 1080 stream on netflix is noticeable but has much less impact on the picture than all the other factors at play (480 to 720 I feel is much more significant). Its partly a netflix thing, the quality only gets so good so who cares about a little less resolution when there are other more obvious picture flaws present. Bluray image quality still is better than anything else available, IMO mainly due to the lack of compression artifacts.
1080p Netflix with a bit rate of 5800 kbps usually offers better PQ then 720p (3000 kbps) streams, but most of that has to do with the fact that you are also getting nearly twice the bandwidth.


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1080p Netflix with a bit rate of 5800 kbps usually offers better PQ then 720p (3000 kbps) streams, but most of that has to do with the fact that you are also getting nearly twice the bandwidth.


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No question there! The 1080 stream is nicer than the 720. My point was the resolution bump from 720 to 1080 (assuming everything is equal, which may or may not be accurate as the netflix stream buffers up to 1080) is not as important to image quality (at least to me) as things like contrast, proper color, etc.
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Are there any affordable ones on the market? Everything I have found seems terribly expensive.
That's because you've waited too long.
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Are there any affordable ones on the market? Everything I have found seems terribly expensive.

Other than OLED, are there any LCD or LED markets that will provide a better picture than my 8 year old Plasma?

Is my Plasma worth anything on the market right now?
I wouldn't suggest buying anything but an OLED at this point. I too kept my 720p plasmas until something with better black levels came out... and oled deliver and then some on pq. Worth saving up for...you'll be set for another 5 years at least.
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I wouldn't suggest buying anything but an OLED at this point. I too kept my 720p plasmas until something with better black levels came out... and oled deliver and then some on pq. Worth saving up for...you'll be set for another 5 years at least.
Well the OP says he's happy with his old entry-level 720p model, and that he considers all the plasmas currently on the market are all terribly expensive, so i don't see the point of recommending he pay $3,500 for an OLED when a $700 Samsung or LG Plasma TV or a $900 Sony LCD TV would already be a huge upgrade over what he already has, and for a LOT less money.


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I stuck with my tube TV and VHS cause pixels don't matter. ;-)

Yes of course you will see a difference and you will get the benefit, certainly when watching blu rays.

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I would get a F4500 or F5300 Samsung plasma if they are still available. Both are very nice and were reasonably priced.
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I would get a F4500 or F5300 Samsung plasma if they are still available. Both are very nice and were reasonably priced.
You can still find the F5300 on-line. I've seen them on sites like Amazon and Best Buy.

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Well the OP says he's happy with his old entry-level 720p model, and that he considers all the plasmas currently on the market are all terribly expensive, so i don't see the point of recommending he pay $3,500 for an OLED when a $700 Samsung or LG Plasma TV or a $900 Sony LCD TV would already be a huge upgrade over what he already has, and for a LOT less money.


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Randy-thanks for your thoughts here.
The Samsung 5400 series seems right up my alley but its still quite bulky/heavy and has a large bezel.
Is this the case with most of the plasmas that are left on the market?

Im concerned with PQ but my girlfriend would like something a bit more aesthetically pleasing...

Are there any other Plasmas or even LCD that will provide better PQ than what I currently have?

I love my Panny but I am periodically getting a "purple screen"; the screen gets a purplish hue for a couple of minutes and then goes away. This concerns me.
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Randy-thanks for your thoughts here.
The Samsung 5400 series seems right up my alley but its still quite bulky/heavy and has a large bezel.
Is this the case with most of the plasmas that are left on the market?

Im concerned with PQ but my girlfriend would like something a bit more aesthetically pleasing...

Are there any other Plasmas or even LCD that will provide better PQ than what I currently have?

I love my Panny but I am periodically getting a "purple screen"; the screen gets a purplish hue for a couple of minutes and then goes away. This concerns me.
the samsung 51f300 is slim, has a swivel base, doesnt have the double pane of glass like your px75, is much lighter, runs cooler, uses less power, has more accurate color, more resistant to ir, and great blacks, and is under 600. It looks so much better than my px80 panny.
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the samsung 51f300 is slim, has a swivel base, doesnt have the double pane of glass like your px75, is much lighter, runs cooler, uses less power, has more accurate color, more resistant to ir, and great blacks, and is under 600. It looks so much better than my px80 panny.
Are you talking about the 51f5300? I cant seem to find a f300 anywhere...

If so, it appears to have the same exact bezel and overall thickness as the Samsung plasmas mentioned above.

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u think the 51f300 is bulky and thick? the px75 is bulky, heavy, thick, and has double images when viewed from the side, u really need to see the samsung in person, but it looks like in your area they dont have any to see, no best buys?
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u think the 51f300 is bulky and thick? the px75 is bulky, heavy, thick, and has double images when viewed from the side, u really need to see the samsung in person, but it looks like in your area they dont have any to see, no best buys?
I really do need to see it in person; will check a local Best Buy.
You keep saying "51f300". Do you mean "51F5300"? I wonder if we're talking about different units.

Is my Plasma currently worth anything?
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I really do need to see it in person; will check a local Best Buy.
You keep saying "51f300". Do you mean "51F5300"? I wonder if we're talking about different units.

Is my Plasma currently worth anything?
yes the 51F300 plasma. Your plasma is not worth much, do u need to sell it, can u keep it and move it to another room?
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