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Question Pioneer Elite or OLED?

I currently have a Pioneer Kuro Elite 111FD and i love it but now with all these new OLEDs coming out i'm getting an upgrade itch.

Should i keep my Kuro for another year or two to see what all the manufactures bring out in 2017 and 2018 or should i just get a 2017 LG OLED.
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This year LG OLED TVs will get its first competitor, Sony OLED TVs, i would at least wait till critical Sony reviews are online. Personally i would wait as long as possible. What you get in return is lower prices, more competition and some minor improvements.
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True and i still get blown away by my 111FD. I'll wait a few years. just picked up a bias lighting system also and it made the blacks even darker. OLED like to me.
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i still say the question shouldn't be what is amazing about oled, but what is wrong with what you have?

i think oled is the logical next step, but there's not a rush to take it until something is legitimately bugging you with your own display.

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Depends on your desires/needs...if you want to see how 3D was meant to be seen before the current incarnation sails off into the sunset, the time to buy is now.
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LG won't have any true competition until someone else starts manufacturing OLED panels. My guess would be chinese manufacturers in the following 2-3 years.
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LG won't have any true competition until someone else starts manufacturing OLED panels. My guess would be chinese manufacturers in the following 2-3 years.
LGD = panels
LGE = LG = TVs

LGE does not own LGD so LG does not own LGD.
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LGD = panels
LGE = LG = TVs

LGE does not own LGD so LG does not own LGD.
You are right about the ownership. However, LG Electronics is a major shareholder of LGD. If you count all domestic ownership, South-Korean interest exceeds 50%. It is hard to believe with ownership distribution like that LGD would be selling OLED panels at ridiculously low price.

http://www.lgdisplay.com/eng/investor/stockholder

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I was in the same state of confusion. After much research, visiting local Best Buy over the weekend to compare the OLED models, and finding a great price on-line, I purchased the LG OLED 65C6P this week.

Part of my reasoning is the I wanted to upgrade to a larger screen OLED after 10 years with my plasma. I wanted the newer smart TVs with 4k/UHD online streaming and 3D capability. I also assume that the new Sony OLEDs (which btw uses the LG display) will be extremely expensive.

I should also point out that my Pioneer AVR allows 4k/UHD upscaling/pass-though so therefore I do not need to pay extra for an OLED TV with an expensive sound system.

Time will tell if I made the correct decision.

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I also assume that the new Sony OLEDs (which btw uses the LG display) will be extremely expensive.
Pretty sure I read an article that stated the 2017 entry level Sony OLED's will have a lower MSRP that the entry level 2016 LG OLED's.

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Pretty sure I read an article that stated the 2017 entry level Sony OLED's will have a lower MSRP that the entry level 2016 LG OLED's.
I believe I read somewhere that article was not correct. I seriously doubt that any new 2017 Sony OLEDs arriving in the summer will be heavily discounted as the current LGs. I would be shocked to find any Sony OLED 65" models for mid $2K. Who knows? I guess supply and demand in the marketplace will determine.
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You are right about the ownership. However, LG Electronics is a major shareholder of LGD. If you count all domestic ownership, South-Korean interest exceeds 50%. It is hard to believe with ownership distribution like that LGD would be selling OLED panels at ridiculously low price.

http://www.lgdisplay.com/eng/investor/stockholder
You would probably agree that when people start loving these Sony OLED TVs with LGD panels will be bad for LG OLED TVs with LGD panels sales so LGE being a mayor shareholder of LGD is relative.
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It is quite possible that Sony implements LGDs OLED panels better than LG - but what makes you think they are able to do it cheaper? I am 100% sure they won't be able to compete with prices since LGE will surely be able to buy those panels at a better price. Sony has to compete with quality. I am all for that, but for an average Joe a 55inch TV costing $2000 is already quite expensive. Not to mention that Sony has developed their own proprietary technologies, like the Acoustic Surface, which probably aren't that cheap to the end consumer.
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I did not say cheaper..i said like them more. btw i did read in a article that LGE was not happy with LGD selling OLED TV panels to Sony.
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Sony is purchasing 100k OLED panels for 2017. I would argue that the $1k Sony tax (at a minimum) will not be worth it to most shoppers, with the exception of the few enthusiasts who can't tolerate the motion on the current models.
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True and i still get blown away by my 111FD. I'll wait a few years. just picked up a bias lighting system also and it made the blacks even darker. OLED like to me.
yeah, youd be surprised what a little light behind a TV will do. Tried it about the time I signed up here, made a pretty big differance, tried a few things. colors, layouts/arrangements, next was toing to try a 5630 or 5050 led Strip

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yeah, youd be surprised what a little light behind a TV will do. Tried it about the time I signed up here, made a pretty big differance, tried a few things. colors, layouts/arrangements, next was toing to try a 5630 or 5050 led Strip
Do you have any bias lighting model that you'd recommend?
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Do you have any bias lighting model that you'd recommend?
I bought something similar to these about 5 or 6 years ago and have been using them for bias lighting behind my Panny 50G25 and love them. These ones list at 2700K but I know mine do not give off a soft white glow.

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/20119418/

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Do you have any bias lighting model that you'd recommend?
You may want to look at one of these.

http://www.cinemaquestinc.com/Ideal-Lume.htm#standard
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You may want to look at one of these.

http://www.cinemaquestinc.com/Ideal-Lume.htm#standard

Ive mostly been using a computer generic PSU, and strip lighting for PCs, tried neon cfl, and LED. thats why I want to try a LED strip and RGBs next, remote to change color a lot less back and fourth swapping things.
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You may want to look at one of these.

http://www.cinemaquestinc.com/Ideal-Lume.htm#standard
Can this be used if the TV is being wall mounted?? This looks like it would be centered on the back of the TV which I would think may cause issues if the TV is being hung.

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I have the same itch. Have the Kuro as well.
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Can this be used if the TV is being wall mounted?? This looks like it would be centered on the back of the TV which I would think may cause issues if the TV is being hung.
Those linked are fine but way too expensive. You can have very good ones for way cheaper. No issues with tv's wall mounted, they are meant for them. This work well I have them, (note the tv needs to have a usb port to power them) can be turned off manually or auto when tv is turned on/off.

https://www.amazon.com/Antec-Lightin...nt+lighting+tv

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Those linked are fine but way too expensive. You can have very good ones for way cheaper. No issues with tv's wall mounted, they are meant for them. This work well I have them, (note the tv needs to have a usb port to power them) can be turned off manually or auto when tv is turned on/off.

https://www.amazon.com/Antec-Lightin...nt+lighting+tv
Thank you for the link. I may have to give these a go as I like the fact that they are USB powered...the one downside to the IKEA dioder strips I currently use is that they need 120V so I just always leave that backlight on.

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If youre going from pioneer processing then you need to either buy Panasonic ez or Sony a1 oled as their processing and colour accuracy is going to be top notch.
It's still in its infancy stage. Hdr is a hit/miss. 4k is limited. No point buying 4k oled for watching 1080p when the pioneer does fantastic job already.
HDMI 2.1 next year - I'd wait until things get finalised I reckon a few more years.
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Could be dead by then, something always around the corner. You want 3D, you need to jump now. This processing BS needs to stop. Your narrative is always changing as for why you should avoid LG (processing now). Also, one can't buy the Panasonic stateside.
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I have compared both side by side, and sold my LG EG9100. In my opinion, the last generation of plasmas from both Panasonic and Pioneer are just more natural for watching movies in dim lighting. I think the distinction is between the natural picture quality of the plasmas, vs the impressive picture quality of the OLEDs.
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OLED for sure. Plasma had its benefits but the blacks, contract and colors of OLED destroy even the best plasma. Honestly, I was never really very impressed with plasma. I have a VT60 for a weekend and sent it back.
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