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Was a 4K plasma ever made?

And are there any plans by any manufacturer to produce one?

The reason I ask is that OLED seems to be even more prone to BI than plasma, but maybe I'm wrong on that. Time will certainly tell, but the rtings long-term tests are, to put it mildly, discouraging.

Maybe this is the time for a 4K, latest-video/audio-processor plasma to step up to the plate and take a swing at the market.
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No 4k plasma's were every produced and no manufacturer will ever make one again. All the millennials at Best Buy recommending LCD TV's instead of selling them a plasma killed them forever. General masses were like moths to a street light when they saw the overly bright vivid mode LCD's in the store. Sad but it happened.
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Panasonic DID make at least one 4K plasma TV:

https://newatlas.com/panasonic-hd-3d/13842/

It was a 152 inch 4K TV, however it was not commercially available.
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My understanding is that it was going to be very difficult using plasma tech to build individual pixels small enough for 4K on typical sized TV's for the home (55-65 inches). I am not very well versed in the exact technical challenges, but that is my foggy memory of why only the very large Panny 4K plasma panel were ever produced, and none were sold to consumers.

Plasma was killed by the advent of 4K, image retention/burn-in fears, and lack of brightness compared to LCD in the store. RIP.

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Energy consumption was also a big issue for plasmas with the EU and California passing strict regulations not long before the plug being pulled on plasmas. For example in 2008 regulations were passed requiring that new televisions sold in California should consume 33 percent less electricity by 2011 and 49 percent less electricity by 2013. The press release announcing the new regulations included the following:

For example, 42-inch screen would consume 183 watts or less by 2011 and 115 watts or less by 2013. Pacific Gas & Electric estimates that over a decade the standards will reduce CO2 emissions by three million metric tons. After ten years, the commission estimates the regulations will save $8.1 billion in energy costs and save enough energy to power 864,000 single-family homes.
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My understanding is that it was going to be very difficult using plasma tech to build individual pixels small enough for 4K on typical sized TV's for the home (55-65 inches). I am not very well versed in the exact technical challenges, but that is my foggy memory of why only the very large Panny 4K plasma panel were ever produced, and none were sold to consumers.
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My understanding is that this is also the case with 4K micro-LED displays -- they've got to be huge to fit all those relatively big pixels. If a way can be developed to make micro-LED pixels small enough to make a say 70 or 80" panel, that high-brightness, high-contrast, supposedly-no-BI emissive technology might be a game changer. In the meantime, maybe denser and denser FALD will make transmissive LCD tvs' picture quality better and better.
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Years ago you could buy the 152" 4k model for about a half million. They never made the 8k 145" available to the public.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...-tv-2013-02-01

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1038
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Maximum power consumption for the Panasonic TH-152UX1 is 3,700W so it's designed for a 240V circuit. Since 152" is the equivalent screen area of nine 50" plasmas it equates to ~400W for a 50" plasma with the same 4K technology. Gotta love the native contrast though at 5,000,000:1.

panasonic.com/business/plasma/pdf/TH152UX1SpecSheet.pdf
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Again about micro-LED:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...september.html

This technology may be closer to the mass market than we think. What is unanswered so far is the size of LG's first m-LED tvs.
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No 4k plasma's were every produced and no manufacturer will ever make one again. All the millennials at Best Buy recommending LCD TV's instead of selling them a plasma killed them forever. General masses were like moths to a street light when they saw the overly bright vivid mode LCD's in the store. Sad but it happened.
Why does everyone always have to blame everything on the millennials? Most of the B.B. goofs I’ve talked to were Gen X’ers

I’m a millennial and just replaced my 60” panny plaz with a 4K lcd because I simply couldn’t afford an OLED. I still have my plasma and still watch it a lot because at the end of the day there are still things about emissive displays that LCD’s will simply not be able to compete with.
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I know there have been 42" 1080p plasmas and I doubt the pixels are much bigger than what they need to be on a 65" 4K. I know the latest Samsung plasmas got up to 300 nits. And we all saw how thin the Panny VT60 is.

I guess what I'm boiling it down to is this. Just imagine 6 more years of advancements to plasmas. We'd for sure have 4K resolution and brighter than ever screens. And they would be even thinner than the last iteration.

It'd be a damn fine TV. Too bad we'll never know how good they could have got.
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I know there have been 42" 1080p plasmas and I doubt the pixels are much bigger than what they need to be on a 65" 4K. I know the latest Samsung plasma's got up to 300 nits. And we all saw how thin the Panny VT60 is.

I guess what I'm boiling it down to is this. Just imagine 6 more years of advancements to plasmas. We'd for sure have 4K resolution and brighter than ever screens. And they would be even thinner than the last iteration.

It'd be a damn fine TV. Too bad we'll never know how good they could have got.
Man I dont know. Panasonic said they had serious issues with trying to make 4k panels for plasma. I'd have assumed they'd be 2k panel with 4k content playback. Also the ZT60 I just picked up is razor thin even by todays standards. I dont know how much smaller you'd really want. Even oled arent as thin if you include the base where all the electronics are at. Sure the top is paper thin but over all the largest thickest point is still how far it will stick off your wall.

If someone came out with a very high end plasma in 75" today thought i'd be very interested. Oled however is pretty much a natural upgrade path. I do find something a little more special about the zt/vt60 though. It feels like a premium product. I guess it comes down to its much better build quality than any oled lg makes. I dont wanna spend over 1500 on anything without a full metal construction.
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Years ago you could buy the 152" 4k model for about a half million. They never made the 8k 145" available to the public.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...-tv-2013-02-01

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1038
Even if it was available to the public, I'm not sure what you could do with that in a home theater setting. IIRC, the HDMI port on that display isn't capable of 4K input. 4K requires using the SGI input.
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