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VT60 with 30k hours?

I am looking to "upgrade" from my LG OLED, and have found a 65" VT60 for sale not too far away. The owner was kind enough to look up the hours, which are over 30,000. Is it inadvisable to buy one with that many hours? I believe the half life is 60k hours, so my concern is that TV will have lost some brightness. Thanks for any thoughts.

Also, I have recently moved to Canada, so I suppose I could look at Panasonic OLEDs, but I doubt they will be too much different than the LG.
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IMO, that's too many hours, but I'm suspicious that it actually has (anywhere near) that many hours. I think the owner may have made a mistake and was looking at something other than the hours.


But in short, I wouldn't buy it with 30K hours. Look for one with less than 10K and ideally more like only around 5K.
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BTW, the half life is supposed to be 100K for that year of Panasonic plasmas.
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I'd value it at less than $300 with that many hours. I would not be afraid to buy it though. Seems than when Plasma's get to that kind of hours they just keep going. VT60 has been pretty reliable.
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I am looking to "upgrade" from my LG OLED, and have found a 65" VT60 for sale not too far away. The owner was kind enough to look up the hours, which are over 30,000. Is it inadvisable to buy one with that many hours? I believe the half life is 60k hours, so my concern is that TV will have lost some brightness. Thanks for any thoughts.

Also, I have recently moved to Canada, so I suppose I could look at Panasonic OLEDs, but I doubt they will be too much different than the LG.

Question is if he really did read the usage numbers correct.. Because in the menu it stops at max 9999 hours and you need to go into the service menu to see the real numbers.. Asking the seller how he read the numbers could give you an indication..


30k is very, very much and also very hard to achieve with this 2013 tv set.. as I said there is the possibility that he has just read some other code number in the menu..

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It's about 13.7 hours a day average if we use 6 years. Possible but unlikely. There are people who leave it on the moment they get up to the moment they go to bed.
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How can you look up the hours on these?
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I am looking to "upgrade" from my LG OLED, and have found a 65" VT60 for sale not too far away. The owner was kind enough to look up the hours, which are over 30,000. Is it inadvisable to buy one with that many hours? I believe the half life is 60k hours, so my concern is that TV will have lost some brightness. Thanks for any thoughts.

Also, I have recently moved to Canada, so I suppose I could look at Panasonic OLEDs, but I doubt they will be too much different than the LG.
The owner could have confused the amount of hours versus the "count" of power cycles (ON/OFF).

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How can you look up the hours on these?
Help-version-status 4 going off of memory. This counter only goes up to 9999 so if it says 9999 you'll have to google how to check in the service menu. OP should have the owner try this and see what it says.
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IMO, that's too many hours, but I'm suspicious that it actually has (anywhere near) that many hours. I think the owner may have made a mistake and was looking at something other than the hours.
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Help-version-status 4 going off of memory. This counter only goes up to 9999 so if it says 9999 you'll have to google how to check in the service menu. OP should have the owner try this and see what it says.


Yes I'm impressed by that many hours. Here is a screenshot with the hours. I think we're reading it correctly? 31667 hours?
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Yes I'm impressed by that many hours. Here is a screenshot with the hours. I think we're reading it correctly? 31667 hours?

Wow.. yes you correct..


I think we all gave you a clear feedback that this a very unusual high usage..


Can the owner explain how over 13hours of daily watching for the last 6 years are even possible?


Only way I could think is that display was used in a club/bar/restaurant and not for home usage.. But who knows..


If it is cheap you might go for it.. What is the price?

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That's a lot of hours in a fairly short period of time. I would want to check it thoroughly for burn-in.

I would think it would be fairly simple to locate a set with far fewer hours.
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Can the owner explain how over 13hours of daily watching for the last 6 years are even possible?
It sounds like his usage is fairly ordinary, but I think he's the 2nd owner and has only had it for 3 years.

Thanks everyone for the thoughts on this. Really appreciate it. I'm going to keep looking.
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Those hours don't make sense. That TV would have literally had to be on for an average of over 13 hours per day from the day that the VT60 model was released.
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What to look for when evaluating one of these with a lot of hours?
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Wow.. yes you correct..


I think we all gave you a clear feedback that this a very unusual high usage..


Can the owner explain how over 13hours of daily watching for the last 6 years are even possible?


Only way I could think is that display was used in a club/bar/restaurant and not for home usage.. But who knows..


If it is cheap you might go for it.. What is the price?
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You don't have a no input timer on?
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The Panasonic has multiple Timers built in. If you know the kids are walking away from the TV at predictable times (like say Saturday around 10 am and Weekdays at 3:30 pm etc) then you can set various timers to just turn the TV off at a set time. I had mine set to turn it off daily at 10:00 pm in case i fall asleep with it on, and weekdays Mon-Fri at 8:00 am in case i left it on when i leave for work. I've set this up for friends and relatives too depending on their situations.

It's worth looking into if you want to limit excessive hour usage.


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Any thoughts on how to evaluate a VT60 with a lot of hours in person?
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Any thoughts on how to evaluate a VT60 with a lot of hours in person?
I would run some color slides via USB memory stick and check thoroughly for IR/Burn-In.
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I would be looking for images that have burned in previously, not the TV's propensity to retain new images?

Any decent way to do this without the USB stick?
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I am looking to "upgrade" from my LG OLED, and have found a 65" VT60 for sale not too far away. The owner was kind enough to look up the hours, which are over 30,000. Is it inadvisable to buy one with that many hours? I believe the half life is 60k hours, so my concern is that TV will have lost some brightness. Thanks for any thoughts.

Also, I have recently moved to Canada, so I suppose I could look at Panasonic OLEDs, but I doubt they will be too much different than the LG.
Tvs are so cheap today. Why even bother at looking at an old used one?
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I would be looking for images that have burned in previously, not the TV's propensity to retain new images?

Any decent way to do this without the USB stick?
Correct, and it might be hard to tell the difference between new & old persistent images. You could use the television’s built in screen wiper, but it’s much easier to see with a full screen, solid color image.

The last generation Panasonic’s are IR magnets. It has to be managed. I’m running my screen wiper right now to get rid of the CBS/PGA logo in the lower right corner.
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Correct, and it might be hard to tell the difference between new & old persistent images. You could use the television’s built in screen wiper, but it’s much easier to see with a full screen, solid color image.

The last generation Panasonic’s are IR magnets. It has to be managed. I’m running my screen wiper right now to get rid of the CBS/PGA logo in the lower right corner.
The Screen Wipe is more of a diagnostic tool and i've found that it doesn't really do anything to remove or reduce IR. It was a Placebo placed in the menu to counter Samsung's screen wipe (which also didn't work for IR).

Instead, i used a Pixel Jogger and slideshows with lots of High Def Wallpaper images. See my post here:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-p...l#post56408846


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Tvs are so cheap today. Why even bother at looking at an old used one?
A Panasonic VT60 is better than any of the LCD's that are currently available today. They even hold up just fine on 1080P content to OLED.
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