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Whatever you decide, don't sell your Kuro prior to buying an OLED. I sold my PRO-111FD prior to picking up the 55" A9G late last year and regretted it. 99% of my viewing is with 1080 sources and the OLED just didn't look as natural as the Pioneer. Get the OLED and do your own evaluation.

Thanks for this post I have been deciding going from a 2016 lg oled to the a9g, but it sounds like I will be equally disappointed


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I did not say I like the oled better.. I just stated that they are not even close calibrated..

This is close..

I agree 100% with you.. Plasma is (still) amazingly good..
I am interested in calibrating my Samsung F8500, which has never really been done. I have a spectrophotometer and software. Since you seem to be very good with plasma calibration, even to the point of saying the white point on a plasma and an LCD look similar after you calibrated each, can you comment on the level of adjustment you did with the ST60? Manual, 2 point, 10 point, CMS? Any special white point matching or modification? How detailed is your check at the very low illumination values? Specific image retention or heating strategy while measuring?

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Very simple equipment:

i1 Display Pro Sensor
Notebook
HCFR Calibration Software

10% windows (!) 10 or 20 point measurement

Basic 2 point white balance that I adjust in the service menu (i have learned it that way with the older Plasmas and that way I have the same white balance with all picture modes)
Very important is gamma, there is a 10 point gamma adjustment
CMS: Yes, color luminance is very important, Subtle changes with colors, nothing extreme..
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I recently replaced a high end Barco projector plus Kuro Plasma set-up in my living room with a 77" C9 Oled. There's definitely strengths and weaknesses with all display tech but Oled is the best of what is available now or previously IMO. With correct settings and source material, it looks incredible and delights me every time I watch on it.

I had a few issues when I first got it which I have since solved. LG's software was buggy out the box. I had to update the firmware and run the pixel refresher to fix some stuttering and uniformity issues. It's been great ever since.

I prefer to use my Nvidia shield or a media PC for streaming than LG's smart TV apps. I see a noticeable difference in performance.

Scaling of 1080p and 720p content is good but that's the easy stuff as far as scaling goes. Low res content like my 480i consoles and DVDs is poor (like on most HD and UHD TVs). I recommend a decent external scaler if vintage gaming or watching DVDs is important.

Motion resolution is not as good as Plasma or CRT obviously but it doesn't seem to matter. The built in interpolation does a decent job once I spent some time messing around with the sliders. I was able to make it look nice and natural without the soap opera effect. It's only really an issue for gaming as you don't want interpolation in game mode. Still, LGs low latency makes it a superior option for gaming to the Sony Oleds or my Kuro.

For contrast, brightness and black levels, Oled pisses all over any other display tech including plasma. It's not just that Oled can turn pixels full on or full off individually. It's that it's pixel grid is mounted over a jet black background. It means you can get jet black content on screen right next to the brightest whites on a sunny afternoon with the blinds open.

At this point, the only Plasma I would buy is if a used 4k Panasonic 152" set became available. That's still my dream TV for now.
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There is just no other tech better than plasma on the flat panels for cinematic experience at home. OLED is gimmick with sample/hold concept which blurs any moving picture, it has no place to replace plasma. The only "upgrade" for Kuro in my opinion is to go projector setup. Had a privilege to calibrate JVC DLA-N7 last week and this thing is amazing.

To let you know, I have acquired 5 Kuro sets over the years, one of them is KRP500M new, still in the box, I just can't imagine watching 1080p content on anything else, except mentioned DLA projector if I had dedicated cinema room.

Bottom line, KEEP your KURO!

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How come everyone is amazed with 4K and hdr ? When I look at it looks like crap compared to 1080 p on my
Plasma . What gives ? Am I the only one that feels this way ?


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How come everyone is amazed with 4K and hdr ? When I look at it looks like crap compared to 1080 p on my
Plasma . What gives ? Am I the only one that feels this way ?


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Are you comparing 4K HDR10 or DV on a disc to 1080p disc from the same movie? Or is this a streaming comparison? Are you comparing the plasma to the OLED or the OLED 4K HDR to the OLED 1080p?
Is this a dark room comparison? Are both somewhat calibrated or at least the most accurate mode (per RTings, or such)? What are the other OLED settings for dejudder, deblur, BFI? Maybe try them off.

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There is just no other tech better than plasma on the flat panels for cinematic experience at home. OLED is gimmick with sample/hold concept which blurs any moving picture, it has no place to replace plasma. The only "upgrade" for Kuro in my opinion is to go projector setup. Had a privilege to calibrate JVC DLA-N7 last week and this thing is amazing.

To let you know, I have acquired 5 Kuro sets over the years, one of them is KRP500M new, still in the box, I just can't imagine watching 1080p content on anything else, except mentioned DLA projector if I had dedicated cinema room.

Bottom line, KEEP your KURO!

Can u comment on ur experience with the a9g? Same thoughts ?


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I feared that was the case....


Somehow was hoping that Sony could get close though....
Just an example how YTS files look on an lcd.. Pretty good..

You can see the viewing angles issues.. How the picture looks more washed out on the right side

The advantage of lcd is the pure hassle free usage.. Low power draw, no burn in, cheap, no abl, bright.. etc..

I am surprisingly enjoying this tv set..
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Do projectors use sample and hold
Too ? And use motion trickery like
Oled ?


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Are you comparing 4K HDR10 or DV on a disc to 1080p disc from the same movie? Or is this a streaming comparison? Are you comparing the plasma to the OLED or the OLED 4K HDR to the OLED 1080p?
Is this a dark room comparison? Are both somewhat calibrated or at least the most accurate mode (per RTings, or such)? What are the other OLED settings for dejudder, deblur, BFI? Maybe try them off.
Nevermind, I think my colorspace settings were wrong, and using too much warmth also made the picture muddy. Looks much better now
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My wonderful Samsung F8500 died and I replaced it with Sony A9g 65 inch. I do agree that plasma absolutely has a much more NATURAL looking picture. The Sony A9G is incredible, but they are going to let me exchange it for a BIGGER Sony A9G OLED. I thought about just selling it and getting the LG CX 77 inch. Any thoughts on Sony A9G vs LG CX in 77 inch??? I would luv the bit of extra brightness from the LG CX, but have been told that the Sony A9G has much better upscaling and motion.... I'd appreciate any feedback....
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My wonderful Samsung F8500 died and I replaced it with Sony A9g 65 inch. I do agree that plasma absolutely has a much more NATURAL looking picture. The Sony A9G is incredible, but they are going to let me exchange it for a BIGGER Sony A9G OLED. I thought about just selling it and getting the LG CX 77 inch. Any thoughts on Sony A9G vs LG CX in 77 inch??? I would luv the bit of extra brightness from the LG CX, but have been told that the Sony A9G has much better upscaling and motion.... I'd appreciate any feedback....
You'll get a LOT more information and feedback about all this in the OLED Forum:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...anels-general/


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