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Wow. That is really cool. Even though I ran 2” diameter orange conduit, it’s amazing how few cables I can get through it since it spans about 25’ and has a few gentle turns.


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I also have a 2" conduit with 3 90 degree bends and using the Fiber Optic Cable made it a breeze to pull it through.

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I'm a total newb here, posted some questions in the past when we were in very early planning stages, and we're now finally framing. Going to need around 25 ft of cable from receiver to projector, but if we need to move around the screen that will be hanging in between the joists, I may need 30-40ft. These threads are very interesting, but I'm curious as to why report #2 was removed from the OP. I saw the update with a link to the second report, but I can not see it attached anywhere. And it appears that report #3 has not happened yet. Just curious what happened to report #2 and why it was removed.

I was leaning towards using RUIPRO 40ft to be on the safe side, going to the planned BenQ HT2550 projector, and thinking that is still a recommended option based on report #1 and the conversations after that.
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I'm a total newb here, posted some questions in the past when we were in very early planning stages, and we're now finally framing. Going to need around 25 ft of cable from receiver to projector, but if we need to move around the screen that will be hanging in between the joists, I may need 30-40ft. These threads are very interesting, but I'm curious as to why report #2 was removed from the OP. I saw the update with a link to the second report, but I can not see it attached anywhere. And it appears that report #3 has not happened yet. Just curious what happened to report #2 and why it was removed.

I was leaning towards using RUIPRO 40ft to be on the safe side, going to the planned BenQ HT2550 projector, and thinking that is still a recommended option based on report #1 and the conversations after that.
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I'm a total newb here, posted some questions in the past when we were in very early planning stages, and we're now finally framing. Going to need around 25 ft of cable from receiver to projector, but if we need to move around the screen that will be hanging in between the joists, I may need 30-40ft. These threads are very interesting, but I'm curious as to why report #2 was removed from the OP. I saw the update with a link to the second report, but I can not see it attached anywhere. And it appears that report #3 has not happened yet. Just curious what happened to report #2 and why it was removed.

I was leaning towards using RUIPRO 40ft to be on the safe side, going to the planned BenQ HT2550 projector, and thinking that is still a recommended option based on report #1 and the conversations after that.

Let me echo what drhankz just stated. Whatever you do, run a 1.5"-2.0" conduit. Using a conduit for your cable run is the ONLY way to future proof your cabling because chances are you will be replacing/upgrading the cable in the future as video standards become more demanding. You can even lay in some solid core CAT-6 (non-CCS and not CAT-6 ethernet cabling) if you want hardwire your HTS for possible future use (HDBT?). Install a pull string as well and you are solid for the future. The use of a conduit also make it a bit easier to control bend radius which can affect the signal propagation if the bend is too drastic.
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Let me echo what drhankz just stated. Whatever you do, run a 1.5"-2.0" conduit. Using a conduit for your cable run is the ONLY way to future proof your cabling because chances are you will be replacing/upgrading the cable in the future as video standards become more demanding. You can even lay in some solid core CAT-6 (non-CCS and not CAT-6 ethernet cabling) if you want hardwire your HTS for possible future use (HDBT?). Install a pull string as well and you are solid for the future. The use of a conduit also make it a bit easier to control bend radius which can affect the signal propagation if the bend is too drastic.
I am already wiring the basement with CAT6 Riser cable, that is solid core, so I was thinking about running that through a conduit with the HDMI cable, after reading this topic

https://www.amazon.com/1000ft-Unshie...ct_top?ie=UTF8

So would the RUIPRO be my best option for right now? Still not clear what happened to report 2, but based on the initial report, conversation here and other sites, many seem to indicate it is a high quality cable suitable for the set up I'm going for.
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I am already wiring the basement with CAT6 Riser cable, that is solid core, so I was thinking about running that through a conduit with the HDMI cable, after reading this topic

https://www.amazon.com/1000ft-Unshie...ct_top?ie=UTF8

So would the RUIPRO be my best option for right now? Still not clear what happened to report 2, but based on the initial report, conversation here and other sites, many seem to indicate it is a high quality cable suitable for the set up I'm going for.
Just to be clear, the solid core can be used with a punchdown keystone jack to extend your ethernet connection or terminated with something like HDBT to extend your HDMI connection. There is no telling what cable requirements are going to be needed for the future but the HDBT active extender may eventually be useful (once they are updated with the current HDMI 2.1 chipsets) for future standards so all you need to do is change the termination point because the cabling is already in-wall.

I think at this point in time, most folks are having the best luck with the Ruipro hybrid fiber cable. It's fairly flexible but you still want to pay close attention to the bend radius. It also might be a good idea to connect the source end directly to your tv and not thru a wall plate or splitter. 4k HDR can be a bit finicky so a direct connection, source to sink is always best.

As far as you choice for the solid core CAT-6 cable what you linked to will be sufficient. I've used similar cable before to extend my ethernet connection to hardwire my HTS well over 100' and it was rock solid. Just make sure you give yourself enough of a service loop at each end so you can easily manipulate the cable for connections. In fact I will be using similar cable to hardwire my mesh satellite unit to the main router so I can use a physical connection for the backchannel and not depend on WiFi (which works just fine) for the backchannel.

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Conduit (with a pull cord)
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You are about as 'future proof' as is currently possible - and mirror the advice we are providing to all of our UK/EU customers.

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Just to be clear, the solid core can be used with a punchdown keystone jack to extend your ethernet connection or terminated with something like HDBT to extend your HDMI connection. There is no telling what cable requirements are going to be needed for the future but the HDBT active extender may eventually be useful (once they are updated with the current HDMI 2.1 chipsets) for future standards so all you need to do is change the termination point because the cabling is already in-wall.

I think at this point in time, most folks are having the best luck with the Ruipro hybrid fiber cable. It's fairly flexible but you still want to pay close attention to the bend radius. It also might be a good idea to connect the source end directly to your tv and not thru a wall plate or splitter. 4k HDR can be a bit finicky so a direct connection, source to sink is always best.

As far as you choice for the solid core CAT-6 cable what you linked to will be sufficient. I've used similar cable before to extend my ethernet connection to hardwire my HTS well over 100' and it was rock solid. Just make sure you give yourself enough of a service loop at each end so you can easily manipulate the cable for connections. In fact I will be using similar cable to hardwire my mesh satellite unit to the main router so I can use a physical connection for the backchannel and not depend on WiFi (which works just fine) for the backchannel.
The HDMI connection to the projector would come directly from the receiver, which would feed all output devices (TV & projector) and have the 4K input devices as the source connected to it. At least that was the goal, as the TV is not 4K, but the bluray player would be. The TV is older and just for standard HD. The projector would be used for movies and hide the TV when the screen is extended.
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You could struggle with Source devices not auto configuring between 1080p and 2160p based on the 'active' Sink (Display) device - if your AVR has the ability to toggle its HDMI Output between HDMI A and HDMI B rather than always being HDMI A + B you may be OK.

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You could struggle with Source devices not auto configuring between 1080p and 2160p based on the 'active' Sink (Display) device - if your AVR has the ability to toggle its HDMI Output between HDMI A and HDMI B rather than always being HDMI A + B you may be OK.

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I'm probably too much of a newb yet to fully understand what too look for here when looking at AVRs and bluray players to avoid issues here.
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@ARROW-AV , have you considered testing the UGREEN fiber optic cable? It's 99 bucks for a 30ft cable on Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Suppor...rds=fiber+hdmi

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@ARROW-AV , have you considered testing the UGREEN fiber optic cable? It's 99 bucks for a 30ft cable on Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Suppor...rds=fiber+hdmi

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The cable appears to be an active cable (one end is labeled as Display) but there is no mention of that in the cable description other than it's a "one-way only cable". So that begs the question as to which version of HDMI chipsets are being used in the source end. The cable is listed as "Fiber Optic HDMI Cable 2.0", which could be misinterpreted as an "HDMI 2.0 cable", of which there is no such thing. Any cable mfr who labels their cables as "HDMI 2.0" is suspect. No mention of certification either. There's a reason why a 30' fiber cable is only $100. UGREEN Limited is a Chinese-based company which makes lots of other consumer products in addition to cables. The cable could work just fine but without knowing which version of chipsets are being used in the sink end, it may not last long, and with only an 18 month warranty (which is odd), I'd be surprised if the "fiber" was not plastic instead of glass. AV-ARROW only tested cables from known, reputable mfrs/resellers.
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The cable appears to be an active cable (one end is labeled as Display) but there is no mention of that in the cable description other than it's a "one-way only cable". So that begs the question as to which version of HDMI chipsets are being used in the source end. The cable is listed as "Fiber Optic HDMI Cable 2.0", which could be misinterpreted as an "HDMI 2.0 cable", of which there is no such thing. Any cable mfr who labels their cables as "HDMI 2.0" is suspect. No mention of certification either. There's a reason why a 30' fiber cable is only $100. UGREEN Limited is a Chinese-based company which makes lots of other consumer products in addition to cables. The cable could work just fine but without knowing which version of chipsets are being used in the sink end, it may not last long, and with only an 18 month warranty (which is odd), I'd be surprised if the "fiber" was not plastic instead of glass. AV-ARROW only tested cables from known, reputable mfrs/resellers.
That does seem fishy. Guess I will have to spend the extra money
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That does seem fishy. Guess I will have to spend the extra money
I'm very suspicious of cable mfr claims, even the way overpriced cable from known mfrs such as AudioQuest and Monster. Being as you're looking at a 30' run hopefully you can or will install it in a conduit because swapping out the cable at a later date (which is likely) will be so much easier. It's also easier to control bend radius.
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Just wanted to say thanks for having this thread and information available! It helped me select a cable for a 20-25' run.
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Can anyone point me to a report on testing of 25 foot 4K cables, or is it all nothing more than hit or miss anecdotes for that type of cable?
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Can anyone point me to a report on testing of 25 foot 4K cables, or is it all nothing more than hit or miss anecdotes for that type of cable?
For what reason do you want to test a 4K cable? Do you currently own one or are you looking to purchase one? They either work or they don't!

I have this Monoprice 50ft cable and I haven't had any issues with it:

https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_...seq=1&format=2
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For what reason do you want to test a 4K cable? Do you currently own one or are you looking to purchase one? They either work or they don't!

I have this Monoprice 50ft cable and I haven't had any issues with it:

https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_...seq=1&format=2
I'm thinking of buying one. So the advice is "no test report, you're on your own, just buy something and hope it works"?
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I'm thinking of buying one. So the advice is "no test report, you're on your own, just buy something and hope it works"?
Any Premium Certified HDMI cable will work. If it is not certified then it can be a gamble.

This cable would work just fine for you:

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=15427
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Any Premium Certified HDMI cable will work. If it is not certified then it can be a gamble.
I'm aware of "cable certification", but I've seen posts here on AVS that state people have tried "certified cables", and some of them have failed. So it appears that certification is a guarantee of nothing. I was just hoping there's a list of 25 ft. cables that are known to work based on independent testing, rather than a label.
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I'm aware of "cable certification", but I've seen posts here on AVS that state people have tried "certified cables", and some of them have failed. So it appears that certification is a guarantee of nothing. I was just hoping there's a list of 25 ft. cables that are known to work based on independent testing, rather than a label.
Well the Monoprice cable that I recommended will only cost $19.99 and is fully refundable if it does not work. What do you have to lose???

Or you can go ahead and get the fiber cable that I am using and I can guarantee you that it will work but I needed a longer run then you. If it where my money and I was you I would go with the $19.99 cable and call it a day. I have a few 6ft version of that exact cable and they work flawlessly.
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Well the Monoprice cable that I recommended will only cost $19.99 and is fully refundable if it does not work. What do you have to lose???
What I have to lose is time, frustration, and the hassle of having to try something else and hoping the next thing will work. I was just trying to avoid that, but it looks like I have no reason to think I can. Oh well......
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What I have to lose is time, frustration, and the hassle of having to try something else and hoping the next thing will work. I was just trying to avoid that, but it looks like I have no reason to think I can. Oh well......
I just gave you 2 cables that will work so what's the issue? They are certified premium cables and I own both versions and they both work with all 4K content!
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Can anyone point me to a report on testing of 25 foot 4K cables, or is it all nothing more than hit or miss anecdotes for that type of cable?
I have shifted all my cables to fiber optic. I have a 50ft mono price fiber to the projector and I also use a 75ft fiber from mono price for testing that sends 4k HDR with no issues. For my shorter runs I use Ruipro fiber, also with no issues.

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What I have to lose is time, frustration, and the hassle of having to try something else and hoping the next thing will work. I was just trying to avoid that, but it looks like I have no reason to think I can. Oh well......
You can avoid the frustration by listening to Coxy or spending a bit more money and go with fiber from either Ruipro or the monoprice cable in the report at on the first page of this thread.
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You can avoid the frustration by listening to Coxy or spending a bit more money and go with fiber from either Ruipro or the monoprice cable in the report at on the first page of this thread.
I appreciate Coxy's input, and I will try the cable he recommends. The report you referenced specifically states that it references 15m/50ft.+ cables, NOT the 25 ft. cables I'm interested in. That's why I asked if there was such a report for 25 ft. cables. It appears there isn't. There's supposed to be one "coming". That was 15 months ago.
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I'm aware of "cable certification", but I've seen posts here on AVS that state people have tried "certified cables", and some of them have failed. So it appears that certification is a guarantee of nothing. I was just hoping there's a list of 25 ft. cables that are known to work based on independent testing, rather than a label.
A Premium High Speed HDMI cable is a copper-based cable that is tested and certified by an ATC (the program designed and approved by HDMI.org). Any cable mfr can have their cables tested by an ATC if they are willing to pay for the service. The testing protocols are standardized so regardless of the mfr and/or reseller, if it has the QR label (for authenticity) then you know it's been tested properly and reliably. The certification is only good to 25' and has recently been pushed to 30'. There are other factors involved besides the cable that will make for a successful cable run. That's why no one can give you a 100% guarantee that a cable, even certified, will work for any given setup. If all you're going to push is 4k and your run is under 25', then just about any well made cable will work (again depending on how it's installed). 4k HDR over about 20' will almost require one to use a hybrid fiber cable (Ruipro) because those are getting the most positive feedback from actual users here.

HDMI chipsets on your source/sink end, bend radius, switches, etc all play a part in a successful run. Any in-wall installation should be done with the use of a conduit (1.5" - 2.0") because that is the ONLY way to future proof your cabling because you will more than likely be swapping out cables again in the future.

Bottom line, cabling for 4k HDR over 20' is always going to be hit and miss to a certain degree, especially if you want to use copper-based cables. Hybrid fiber is what is most often recommended, but it's expensive. For 4k HDR under 25', then just go with an ATC certified cable because that will give you the best chance of success, but won't be a guaranteed success for the reasons I gave.
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A Premium High Speed HDMI cable is a copper-based cable that is tested and certified by an ATC (the program designed and approved by HDMI.org). Any cable mfr can have their cables tested by an ATC if they are willing to pay for the service. The testing protocols are standardized so regardless of the mfr and/or reseller, if it has the QR label (for authenticity) then you know it's been tested properly and reliably. The certification is only good to 25' and has recently been pushed to 30'. There are other factors involved besides the cable that will make for a successful cable run. That's why no one can give you a 100% guarantee that a cable, even certified, will work for any given setup. If all you're going to push is 4k and your run is under 25', then just about any well made cable will work (again depending on how it's installed). 4k HDR over about 20' will almost require one to use a hybrid fiber cable (Ruipro) because those are getting the most positive feedback from actual users here.

HDMI chipsets on your source/sink end, bend radius, switches, etc all play a part in a successful run. Any in-wall installation should be done with the use of a conduit (1.5" - 2.0") because that is the ONLY way to future proof your cabling because you will more than likely be swapping out cables again in the future.

Bottom line, cabling for 4k HDR over 20' is always going to be hit and miss to a certain degree, especially if you want to use copper-based cables. Hybrid fiber is what is most often recommended, but it's expensive.
Thank you, the technical information is much appreciated. The bottom line seems to be that the only way to know for sure is to try it and see, regardless of reports, testing, or even the experiences of others.
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Thank you, the technical information is much appreciated. The bottom line seems to be that the only way to know for sure is to try it and see, regardless of reports, testing, or even the experiences of others.
Yep. Unfortunately that's the nature of this mess we call HDMI.
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I bought the rui 12 meter fiber cable and it would not work with my nad receiver to my projector (yes I ensured source went to source and display to display). I ended up getting the rocketfish 50ft hdmi fiber cable at Bestbuy and it actually worked. It is more ft than I need but so far it is working great.
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