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ARGGGGG

Still Passes DTS HD MA as plain ol' DTS
Still passed Dolby TrueHD as 2 chan PCM

Clerks 2 STILL BROKEN!
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So what did they change?

WE got a fancy new progress meter on start up!!!!
The telnet port was shutdown!!!

YAY!!!
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BH100 is not straming more then 1080i to my FullHD TV whihc is a Sony KDS-60A2000

I updated the firmware with the latest November 2007 update and still issue is still there. When ever I try 1080p it says format not supported. I am using HDMI cable and it worked at 1080p with my Playstation3.

What should I do?
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After firmware update:

24p still does not work but my SD video glitch appears to be fixed. Still want to do more testing.

Did you see the Home Theater Mag reviews? 24p does not work for them either. I believe they will eventually fix this.
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BH100 is not straming more then 1080i to my FullHD TV whihc is a Sony KDS-60A2000

I updated the firmware with the latest November 2007 update and still issue is still there. When ever I try 1080p it says format not supported. I am using HDMI cable and it worked at 1080p with my Playstation3.

What should I do?


You should find an appropriate thread or start a new one.
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So what did they change?

WE got a fancy new progress meter on start up!!!!
The telnet port was shutdown!!!

YAY!!!

Is there a way to find out What it does fix if anything?
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Below is what shows when you click on the "program update for BH200" link on the update page. Does not say much. I have to say it sure was easy to update using the USB.

Subject Program Update for BH200

Product DVD&VIDEO&SET TOP

Operating System Windows XP


File Name LG_BH_LV221BH.zip


#.It was improvement of performance;
Hang up while navigating JPEG Thumbnail Review on USB.
Doesn`t show splash sreen image on booting time

#. Firmware Version : 1119f

#. Countermeasure
: Updating by using the newest firmware.
The update method is refer to the attatchment.

# Program upgrade method

[Current system information display]
Push the button on remote controller as followed sequence
Setup -> TV Aspect -> Select 16:9 -> 1 3 9 7 1 3 9 -> Enter

[ DVD and USB Write method]
The update program ("LG_BH_LV221BH.ROM ") the write it does in Root directory of Blank DVD.
(file name: LG_BH_LV221BH.ROM , volume name of Disc: anything is OK)
(Recommended DVD recording software : Roxio Easy DVD Creator, Nero Burning Rom, etc...)

[Update method ]
1. Insert disk in SET and press Play key according to OSD guide.
2. Wait until power off in itself.
* Please refer to the attachment for more detail
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The BH200 will not output 1080P on many TVs, because the 1080P output
is 24/30 HZ. I have the BH100 and I am using it as a 1080i player, because
my Panasonic Plasma only outputs 1080P at 60 HZ. The Panasonic BD30
Blu Ray player outputs 1080P at 24/60. So I bought the BD30 for my Panasonic Plasma and I get true 1080P video which is outstanding.

If you are considering purchasing the BH200 check to see that your
TV will output 1080P at 24/30, or you will only get 1080i.
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It only handles 24/30 frame rates for 1080P output.
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The BH200 will not output 1080P on many TVs, because the 1080P output
is 24/30 HZ. I have the BH100 and I am using it as a 1080i player, because
my Panasonic Plasma only outputs 1080P at 60 HZ. The Panasonic BD30
Blu Ray player outputs 1080P at 24/60. So I bought the BD30 for my Panasonic Plasma and I get true 1080P video which is outstanding.

If you are considering purchasing the BH200 check to see that your
TV will output 1080P at 24/30, or you will only get 1080i.

Huh?

Nope.

It outputs 1080p at 60hz. It SUPPOSEDLY does 24hz but I don't think it will in this release. What you say about the BH100 may be true but is not true of the BH200. This is based on the HDMI output as well. Not sure about component.

My set shows the input and display frequencies and confirms this. The spec sheet for the BH200 does as well.
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This is a very interesting review on the LG BH200 by Thomas J Norton over at UltimateAVmag.com . I would recommend anyone seriously planning on purchasing a dual format player to read the plusses and minuses of this new player.
http://ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplayers/1207lg200/index.html


The LG BH200 current firmware lacks manual 1080P/24 selection and the auto setting that suppose to automatically switch to 1080P/24 for 1080P/24 input compatible displays switches to 1080P/60 mode and will not output 1080P/24 with some displays. Hopefully LG will correct this issue with a firmware update.

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There is no current option, however, that we found that enabled 1080p/24fps playback with the 24p-capable displays we used. According to LG, the player switches automatically to either 24Hz or 60Hz, depending on the source material and the capability of the display as determined by the HDMI handshake. But two different 24p-capable displays we tried that indicate the incoming frame rate in the on-screen information menus (the Sony VPL-VW200, review pending, and the InFocus Play Big IN82) showed that the LG was feeding them a 1080p/60 signal. This was true whether the player's resolution was set to Auto or 1080p.

LG BH200 has excellent video quality with a few problems playing some discs (read above UltimateAV mag review link for details). The major issue is that the LG BH200 does support the advanced audio formats at full resolution.

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The Super Blu carries the Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD logos, and refers to them both in several places in the manual that suggest that it will decode both. In fact, however, it will not, at least not in any way that is important to the serious home theater enthusiast. This shortcoming is clearly obvious in the audio specifications table at the back of the owner's manual.
According to that table, Dolby TrueHD is output from the player only as two-channel PCM, except when DTS re-encode is selected in the audio setup menu. And even then its output is said to be ordinary multichannel DTS. DTS HD-MA is also played back as standard DTS.
But because of the player's inability to play back Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio in any form that will be of interest to the serious home theater fan, I spent little time seriously auditioning the player's audio. The inability to give the user the best audio encoded on many high-definition discs is a serious shortcoming.
Hopefully, an update will let it unlock the Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio formats that it will not now play back in full resolution, multichannel form

Also this player in theory suppose to have all the hardware requirements for profile 1.1 (bonus view PIP) and profile 2.0 (BD-LIVE) with a future firmware update. It should be noted that the memory for this player is unknown. To play future PIP profile 1.1 discs a 256MB USB flash memory stick might be required and a 1GB memory stick might be required to play BD-LIVE content. Since LG does not mention that it has 1GB of memory internal reserved for BD-LIVE then there is a possibility a future memory stick might be required to access the bonus features when they arrive on future BLU-RAY discs. The memory stick feature is a nice feature but I hope that it is not required to access some bonus features. Consumers would prefer to be able to access the bonus features on future BLU-RAY discs without the need to plug in a USB memory stick.
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Most of those shortcomings are covered in this thread. The codecs issue and 24p output for sure. The lack of memory is not really a problem as that is the ONLY thing holding it back from profile 2.0 as far as hardware goes. There is an option in the menu to use an external USB stick for BD storage already.
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Sorry, my mistake, the initial LG press release says it does output 1080P at 24/30/60.

http://us.lge.com/aboutus/pressdetail/detail/press_TV|Audio|Video_337_1.jhtml

I read a brochure online that said it only output 24/30 like the BH100. Do you have a
BH200 attached to a Panasonic or other TV that outputs 1080P at 60MH?
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Sorry, my mistake, the initial LG press release says it does output 1080P at 24/30/60.

http://us.lge.com/aboutus/pressdetail/detail/press_TV|Audio|Video_337_1.jhtml

I read a brochure online that said it only output 24/30 like the BH100. Do you have a
BH200 attached to a Panasonic or other TV that outputs 1080P at 60MH?

I have a samsung DLP. Right now the BH200 sends everything as 1080p 60hz, dvd, HDDVD, BR, the works. The 24p is not working. There is a 1080i option in the menu, not sure if that implies 30hz or not.
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ARGGGGG

Still Passes DTS HD MA as plain ol' DTS
Still passed Dolby TrueHD as 2 chan PCM

I am still trying to get answers from an LG Product Specialist for audio and 24fps.

On page 36 of the manual your quote is correct. Not being an audio buff, I take it this audio needs to be passed as is and not changed. Same for the Samsung 5k. The LG will pass Linear PCM 7.1ch to a HDMI 1.3 as PCM 7.1ch. Is Linear PCM 7.1ch not on the disks? Is this not good enough? Just need to learn more on the issue.

On page 18 of the manual I found this:

The 1080p video output frame rate may be automatically
set to either 24Hz or 60Hz depending
both on the capability and preference of the connected
TV and based on the native video frame
rate of the content on the Blu-ray disc or HD DVD.

This at least supports the LG will do 24fps.

For those that do not have the manual it can be found here. Under "Service Center", Manuals, and then search for BH200. I could not do a direct link.

My BH200 has been playing all formats without any glitches so far since the 1119F firmware. We just need to get the above issues worked out. I'm happy with 5.1 audio but 24fps is a must. I would like to see the audio there for the future. 24fps is not working at all with my 6010FD.
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I think the 24p issue is that it is not enabled at all. I installed powerstrip on my HTPC and then went HDMI to HDMI to my Samsung set. Powerstrip correctly identified my set and downloaded the EDID info over HDMI and it indeed says it will accept a 24hz signal. Others with 24p players seem to have no trouble with the Samsung as long as it has the most recent firmware which I confirmed my set does.

The codecs issue is actually more of a problem for me. I have a receiver that can do them, HDMI is secure, why can't it pass them? On the BR disc Paprika there are two TrueHD tracks, one English and the other Japanese (the original language) then there are a bunch of standard Dolby tracks for other languages. Because I wanted to watch with the Japanese track I was forced to listen to it in 2 channel downsampled stereo.

Even if I caved and watched the english dub it would still be 2 chan.
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Most of those shortcomings are covered in this thread. The codecs issue and 24p output for sure. The lack of memory is not really a problem as that is the ONLY thing holding it back from profile 2.0 as far as hardware goes. There is an option in the menu to use an external USB stick for BD storage already.

I have actually ripped apart my review unit and i can tell you that the BH200 has 1 GB of NAND flash memory inside (Hynix HY27UG088G5).
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I think the 24p issue is that it is not enabled at all. I installed powerstrip on my HTPC and then went HDMI to HDMI to my Samsung set.

I installed powerstrip in a HTPC DVI to HDMI and mine did not show 24p as an option. Can I trust this?
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I installed powerstrip in a HTPC DVI to HDMI and mine did not show 24p as an option. Can I trust this?

Well if it downloaded the EDID data. That is what you are looking for. Just "supporting" it in PS is another story. Your set may ACCEPT 24p but may not advertise it via EDID. If that is the case, based purely on what LG has said up until now, then you 24p may never work for you with the BH200.

Players that FORCE 24p would work *IF* your set truly does support it. I am guessing you have done the research and know that it will already.

I know my set will but I also know that support was spotty until the latest firmware. I had the entire board on my set swapped out by Samsung due to another issue and it came with the latest. I would guess that if I had looked at the EDID data before that it would have not said that 24p was supported.
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Dropped by BB where I got my Bose Demo unit, it has been replaced and they had one in a box also. Two in transit. BB web site shows them in stock.

Looks like these are starting to show up in the stores. The new Demo was a October build (Just like ours).
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I just picked up a BH200 from a local Best Buy. Had paid for it as part of a TV package a month ago, and saw on the BB web site that they were in stock at a couple of local stores (central Maryland).

Haven't had time to do much with it yet (no BD or HD disks), but briefly tried a couple of SD DVDs. It had trouble playing 1 of the DVDs, pausing video every couple of seconds, or stopping video entirely, while audio continued. Played a complete music CD in it perfectly today.

Here is version info:

Build (stamped on rear panel): October 2007
SW Ver: BH02071119C/PKG411_LG2
Kernel Ver: 2.6.12-3.1-ASMP-v10r15.032_1115R.squashfs
Loader Ver: 0699
IO Ver: 07091200
AACS Key: YES

So that looks to be older than the 1119F firmware file.

Can I upgrade the firmware via a CDR, or does it have to be a DVD? If by memory stick, does the stick need to be otherwise empty? Seems like if it needs to be a particular file name, it would ignore other files.
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Thanks for the info, good to see new ones starting to show up.

Look above at my post 157, those are the instructions from the LG site. Download the zip file, rename it to LG_BH_LV221BH.ROM, burn it to a DVD OR put it on a USB drive (IN THE ROOT WITH NO OTHER FILES).

USB drive works slick, I did not try it with other files present.

Ours came with BH02071003D, I had SD video hesitations on all titles, but the 1119F firmware fixed it.

Does your TV support 24p? If so let me know if it works. My unit just sents 1080p60 to my pioneer 6010.
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Look above at my post 157, those are the instructions from the LG site. Download the zip file, rename it to LG_BH_LV221BH.ROM, burn it to a DVD OR put it on a USB drive (IN THE ROOT WITH NO OTHER FILES).

Sheesh, the site does a good job of hiding the firmware and update procedure, and the procedure is unclear and incomplete. Got through it successfully using a CD-R. Some tips:
  • The download is a zip file; need to extract it first, then rename the .ROM file, removing everything after ".ROM".
  • Write it to CD, DVD, or memory stick.
  • (assuming CD or DVD) Power up the player, insert the disk normally.
  • After "Reading", display shows "Update". Press the play/pause button to procede.
  • Display shows "Extracting" (if I remember correctly). It stayed this way for about a full minute.
  • Display showed additional messages like "Installing", "Verifying", etc. During this, video output showed an update display.
  • Display and video showed something re complete and powering down, then it powered off on its own.
  • After I powered it back on, version display shows:
Model: BH200-N
SW Ver: BH02071119F/PKG411_LG2
Kernel Ver: 2.6.12-3.1-ASMP-v10r15_032_1113K
Root FS Ver: rootfs-2612-3.1-ASMP-v10r15_032.1115R.squashfs
Loader Ver: 0699
IO Ver: 07091200
AACS Key: YES

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Does your TV support 24p? If so let me know if it works. My unit just sents 1080p60 to my pioneer 6010.

Pretty sure it does, it's a Pioneer PRO-150FD. Haven't tested yet.
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Just select 1080p for the output on the BH200 and go into pure cinima on the pro and see if advanced is greyed out or not. With 1080p60 it will be greyed out.
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Yup; greyed.
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I assume you played a BD or HD-DVD to do this test for the 24p.

Sorry I did not meantion to un-zip the file for the firmware, I assumed this was a given. I should have pointed you to HyPyke's post on this proceedure.

I don't know what we are going to do about the 24fps, I am trying to work with a LG product rep on this now.

Did the firmware help you SD issue?
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This is a very interesting review on the LG BH200 by Thomas J Norton over at UltimateAVmag.com . I would recommend anyone seriously planning on purchasing a dual format player to read the plusses and minuses of this new player.
http://ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplayers/1207lg200/index.html


The LG BH200 current firmware lacks manual 1080P/24 selection and the auto setting that suppose to automatically switch to 1080P/24 for 1080P/24 input compatible displays switches to 1080P/60 mode and will not output 1080P/24 with some displays. Hopefully LG will correct this issue with a firmware update.

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There is no current option, however, that we found that enabled 1080p/24fps playback with the 24p-capable displays we used. According to LG, the player switches automatically to either 24Hz or 60Hz, depending on the source material and the capability of the display as determined by the HDMI handshake. But two different 24p-capable displays we tried that indicate the incoming frame rate in the on-screen information menus (the Sony VPL-VW200, review pending, and the InFocus Play Big IN82) showed that the LG was feeding them a 1080p/60 signal. This was true whether the player's resolution was set to Auto or 1080p.

LG BH200 has excellent video quality with a few problems playing some discs (read above UltimateAV mag review link for details). The major issue is that the LG BH200 does support the advanced audio formats at full resolution.

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The Super Blu carries the Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD logos, and refers to them both in several places in the manual that suggest that it will decode both. In fact, however, it will not, at least not in any way that is important to the serious home theater enthusiast. This shortcoming is clearly obvious in the audio specifications table at the back of the owner's manual.
According to that table, Dolby TrueHD is output from the player only as two-channel PCM, except when DTS re-encode is selected in the audio setup menu. And even then its output is said to be ordinary multichannel DTS. DTS HD-MA is also played back as standard DTS.
But because of the player's inability to play back Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio in any form that will be of interest to the serious home theater fan, I spent little time seriously auditioning the player's audio. The inability to give the user the best audio encoded on many high-definition discs is a serious shortcoming.
Hopefully, an update will let it unlock the Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio formats that it will not now play back in full resolution, multichannel form

Also this player in theory suppose to have all the hardware requirements for profile 1.1 (bonus view PIP) and profile 2.0 (BD-LIVE) with a future firmware update. It should be noted that the memory for this player is unknown. To play future PIP profile 1.1 discs a 256MB USB flash memory stick might be required and a 1GB memory stick might be required to play BD-LIVE content. Since LG does not mention that it has 1GB of memory internal reserved for BD-LIVE then there is a possibility a future memory stick might be required to access the bonus features when they arrive on future BLU-RAY discs. The memory stick feature is a nice feature but I hope that it is not required to access some bonus features. Consumers would prefer to be able to access the bonus features on future BLU-RAY discs without the need to plug in a USB memory stick.

Dude, can you please stick to one font and one color so we can read your posts without getting sea sick?

Thanks.
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Ok, for those that own the BH200, are you satisfied with it? Wish you had gone with the BD-UP5000?

Seems like the firmware updates are fixing concerns here. What seems to be the most pressing concern with the BH200 and is it update fixable?

Torn here between the two. While the poll here on the forum shows a definite pref for the BD-UP5000, most voted before getting their hands on one.

Whom do you trust to do a better job of providing updates...LG or Samsung? Whom do think has the better quality...LG or Samsung?
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Ok, for those that own the BH200, are you satisfied with it? Wish you had gone with the BD-UP5000?

Seems like the firmware updates are fixing concerns here. What seems to be the most pressing concern with the BH200 and is it update fixable?

Torn here between the two. While the poll here on the forum shows a definite pref for the BD-UP5000, most voted before getting their hands on one.

Whom do you trust to do a better job of providing updates...LG or Samsung? Whom do think has the better quality...LG or Samsung?

Right now I am satisfied. Because I don't need analog outs the ONLY advantage of the Samsung right now is that it can send DTS HD MA over HDMI(according to the FAQ this may not be the case). It still has the same limit to 2 channel PCM for Dolby TrueHD as the BH200. Also people are having problems in the Samsung owners thread with video quality which is not an issue with the BH200. I have one specific vid issue which I have only seen 2 or 3 times and may have been fixed since the firmware upgrade. I have not had a chance to check that yet.

So yeah.

I am still pissed that we can't get answers regarding firmware upgrades. The latest posted was actually a month old. I am sure that there is something newer but try getting it out of LG. Seems that Samsung's history with firmware updates is even worse though based on comments in the Sammy owners thread.

If you can wait, wait. If you can't and don't need analog outs, LG is the way to go I think.
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